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Post by soccerlegacy on Apr 3, 2019 15:08:04 GMT -5
Hi all. I am looking for information about US club soccer's Regional and National Cup's this summer and thought this would be a good place to start.
The SCCL is in its first year and I didn't know if they would be inviting any of their teams to these events. If so, does anyone know if it is invitation only? I have heard (unconfirmed rumors) the 1st place team goes to National and the 2nd place team goes to Regional? But I haven't found any info posted on their website (or any other for that matter).
Does anyone know anything or where I could find info on this? Also, what do the other US Club soccer leagues do? They have been around longer and that might be an indicator for my kids team.
Its getting closer and closer to summer Nd I'd like to be able to plan this out. Any assistance would be very appreciated.
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Post by atlutd17 on Apr 3, 2019 16:04:41 GMT -5
This is where the info regarding SCCL should be at: www.southeasternccl.com/Couple questions: Will SCCL Champions and Runners-up be advancing to US Club Regional and National Competitions with teams in ECNL or ENPL, will it be lower level? How would that level compare to the USYSA National League and National Championships?
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Post by soccerlegacy on Apr 3, 2019 17:39:52 GMT -5
This is where the info regarding SCCL should be at: www.southeasternccl.com/Couple questions: Will SCCL Champions and Runners-up be advancing to US Club Regional and National Competitions with teams in ECNL or ENPL, will it be lower level? How would that level compare to the USYSA National League and National Championships? [br Thanks but I already saw the post from that website. What I didn't see was details on how the tournament works. Will SCCL be going to those tourneys? Is it invitation only? If so, who gets invited and how are they selected? Etc. I would also like to know the answers to the questions you posed... Who would the SCCL face in those regional/national competitions? I can tell you my opinion is that the SCCL is equal or above the National League teams that I know and have seen. Anyone with out there with more insight and knowledge please share...
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Post by atlutd17 on Apr 3, 2019 19:37:24 GMT -5
National League (USYSA) and the path to the USYSA National Championship in reality involves 2 levels in NL as currently set up:
Piedmont Conference of the NL (USYSA) is comparable to both SCCL and SA-NPL (US Club). Hit or miss depending on age group.
The true NL (USYSA) however is at a whole other level as it's team based, comparable to US Club based ECNL but probably just below it when comparing to the better ECNL teams.
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Post by soccerlegacy on Apr 3, 2019 21:14:42 GMT -5
National League (USYSA) and the path to the USYSA National Championship in reality involves 2 levels in NL as currently set up: Piedmont Conference of the NL (USYSA) is comparable to both SCCL and SA-NPL (US Club). Hit or miss depending on age group. The true NL (USYSA) however is at a whole other level as it's team based, comparable to US Club based ECNL but probably just below it when comparing to the better ECNL teams. Ya, that's the one I was referring to... the Piedmont Conference of the NL. Meh, agree to disagree but the SCCL is just better, IMHO
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Post by atlutd17 on Apr 3, 2019 21:32:58 GMT -5
Don't necessarily disagree, as it may very well be in some groups. The fact however that none of this is clear cut says it all about the dilution of competitions.
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 4, 2019 5:41:49 GMT -5
National League (USYSA) and the path to the USYSA National Championship in reality involves 2 levels in NL as currently set up: Piedmont Conference of the NL (USYSA) is comparable to both SCCL and SA-NPL (US Club). Hit or miss depending on age group. The true NL (USYSA) however is at a whole other level as it's team based, comparable to US Club based ECNL but probably just below it when comparing to the better ECNL teams. Ya, that's the one I was referring to... the Piedmont Conference of the NL. Meh, agree to disagree but the SCCL is just better, IMHO You are arguing with someone that based on their posts may work for GA Soccer so they will never agree with you AGC = age group coordinator? Some of the teams in NL are only in NL because the big 5 didn't participate. In the past yes, the true NL was at a high level, today not so much
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Post by soccerlegacy on Apr 4, 2019 10:17:46 GMT -5
Agreed. So back to my original post, does anyone have knowledge of the SCCL and post season tourneys? and ... how has US Club Soccer handled this with the other leagues they run?
I'm looking for the "who" and "how" teams get decided and if they have a plan for SCCL.
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Post by dad on Apr 4, 2019 12:01:06 GMT -5
National League (USYSA) and the path to the USYSA National Championship in reality involves 2 levels in NL as currently set up: Piedmont Conference of the NL (USYSA) is comparable to both SCCL and SA-NPL (US Club). Hit or miss depending on age group. The true NL (USYSA) however is at a whole other level as it's team based, comparable to US Club based ECNL but probably just below it when comparing to the better ECNL teams. Ya, that's the one I was referring to... the Piedmont Conference of the NL. Meh, agree to disagree but the SCCL is just better, IMHO I find that most of the SCCL teams would have a hard time in Athena A and Classic1 in mho. The few teams in SCCL that have had played in higher leagues were clearly over matched and is why they dropped into the SCCL.
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Post by atlutd17 on Apr 4, 2019 13:51:59 GMT -5
Ya, that's the one I was referring to... the Piedmont Conference of the NL. Meh, agree to disagree but the SCCL is just better, IMHO You are arguing with someone that based on their posts may work for GA Soccer so they will never agree with you AGC = age group coordinator? Some of the teams in NL are only in NL because the big 5 didn't participate. In the past yes, the true NL was at a high level, today not so much
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Post by soccerlegacy on Apr 4, 2019 13:56:58 GMT -5
I find that most of the SCCL teams would have a hard time in Athena A and Classic1 in mho. The few teams in SCCL that have had played in higher leagues were clearly over matched and is why they dropped into the SCCL. 😂😂 seriously though, Aptil Fools Day has past. The SCCL just started. It basically took the old RPL level, which was above Athena A to begin with, and made it club-based. ... that's just my opinion. I wasn't meaning to disparage the other leagues just pointing out that it is a solid league. But this discussion is simply hi-jackimg the point to this thread... which is about post season tournament(s) for the league.
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Post by atlutd17 on Apr 4, 2019 14:19:11 GMT -5
Not sure I can find an argument or a disagreement if you read all posts. There are great teams at every level. You are suggesting some teams are in NL because the "big 5" didn't participate, and in most past cases you may be correct except, we were not talking about Piedmont NL, but the true NL in USYS where very few GA teams are good enough to qualify, and only in some age groups. Those teams deserve a lot of respect, because they have to earn their spot in NL every single year. Their club can not hand it to them, nor block others from the competing against them no matter how good. There are many great leagues USYS or US Club that would be greater if they somehow consolidated, however, I believe the best/toughest competition below DA/MLS one could create has to be inclusive competition where every team gets a fair chance to earn the right to compete among the best.
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Post by soccerlegacy on Apr 4, 2019 14:26:15 GMT -5
Not sure I can find an argument or a disagreement if you read all posts. There are great teams at every level. You are suggesting some teams are in NL because the "big 5" didn't participate, and in most past cases you may be correct except, we were not talking about Piedmont NL, but the true NL in USYS where very few GA teams are good enough to qualify, and only in some age groups. Those teams deserve a lot of respect, because they have to earn their spot in NL every single year. Their club can not hand it to them, nor block others from the competing against them no matter how good. There are many great leagues USYS or US Club that would be greater if they somehow consolidated, however, I believe the best/toughest competition below DA/MLS one could create has to be inclusive competition where every team gets a fair chance to earn the right to compete among the best. Yes, you are correct, I'm talking about the Piedmont NL. I though I made that point already. The NL you are talking about takes the winners of that league and others like it. Correct? So no, not all SCCL teams would dominate that league. But the SCCL isn't Atena A either. Stop hijacking the post. 😁
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Post by atlutd17 on Apr 4, 2019 14:26:57 GMT -5
And my apologies to the original poster for accidentally being part of the hi-jacking the point to this thread about post season tournament(s) for the SCCL. If SCCL has yet to post something regarding such events, it would be nice for the participating clubs to inform their own teams to plan out (assuming that they know).
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Post by soccerlegacy on Apr 4, 2019 15:00:59 GMT -5
And my apologies to the original poster for accidentally being part of the hi-jacking the point to this thread about post season tournament(s) for the SCCL. If SCCL has yet to post something regarding such events, it would be nice for the participating clubs to inform their own teams to plan out (assuming that they know). Apology accepted, as I'm the original poster. 😁 And I wish somone from the club(s) would tell us something... but nope, nothing yet. I know some on this forum know alot of the clubs information and started this thread to see if anyone has info... on the SCCL or any of the US Club tourneys and how it works.
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Post by soccerloafer on Apr 4, 2019 17:07:39 GMT -5
Winners of SCCL league are going directly to Nationals in Colorado.
Don't know anything else.
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Post by guest on Apr 5, 2019 11:40:51 GMT -5
Our mid table SCCL team has booked a trip to the USCS Regionals in June in Winston Salem. I too was confused about what happened after the season and this was the answer. Still not sure if all teams go, or if you have to be invited? But we did not win and are going.
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Post by soccerlegacy on Apr 5, 2019 17:49:52 GMT -5
Our mid table SCCL team has booked a trip to the USCS Regionals in June in Winston Salem. I too was confused about what happened after the season and this was the answer. Still not sure if all teams go, or if you have to be invited? But we did not win and are going. Ahhh, good to know... thank you! Would be willing to share if its girls.or boys and the club? Just curious, I'm not going to do anything with the info, just wanted to see if it might apply to my daughters situation.
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Post by atlutd17 on Apr 5, 2019 20:44:06 GMT -5
Our mid table SCCL team has booked a trip to the USCS Regionals in June in Winston Salem. I too was confused about what happened after the season and this was the answer. Still not sure if all teams go, or if you have to be invited? But we did not win and are going. Ahhh, good to know... thank you! Would be willing to share if its girls.or boys and the club? Just curious, I'm not going to do anything with the info, just wanted to see if it might apply to my daughters situation. Here you go: www.usclubsoccer.org/national-cup-southeast-regionalGood luck!
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Post by soccerlegacy on Apr 5, 2019 23:18:52 GMT -5
Ahhh, good to know... thank you! Would be willing to share if its girls.or boys and the club? Just curious, I'm not going to do anything with the info, just wanted to see if it might apply to my daughters situation. Here you go: www.usclubsoccer.org/national-cup-southeast-regionalGood luck! already have that, but thanks for the effort. I'm looking for intel and specifics on "who" gets to go and what it takes to get there.
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Post by putmeincoach on Apr 6, 2019 7:46:42 GMT -5
Anyone willing to drive to NC and pay the fees can get in.. you can actually register a team US Club anytime between now and then and play in "Regionals". No requirements for record etc, just pay to play. already have that, but thanks for the effort. I'm looking for intel and specifics on "who" gets to go and what it takes to get there.
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Post by atlsoccerdad on Apr 6, 2019 19:53:58 GMT -5
Agreed. So back to my original post, does anyone have knowledge of the SCCL and post season tourneys? and ... how has US Club Soccer handled this with the other leagues they run? I'm looking for the "who" and "how" teams get decided and if they have a plan for SCCL. Yes, the second place team is going to regionals. I am not sure if the first place team is going straight to nationals.
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Post by toddga675 on Apr 6, 2019 20:09:59 GMT -5
Anyone willing to drive to NC and pay the fees can get in.. you can actually register a team US Club anytime between now and then and play in "Regionals". No requirements for record etc, just pay to play. already have that, but thanks for the effort. I'm looking for intel and specifics on "who" gets to go and what it takes to get there. That's all it takes to to Regionals? WTF
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 7, 2019 11:01:42 GMT -5
Anyone willing to drive to NC and pay the fees can get in.. you can actually register a team US Club anytime between now and then and play in "Regionals". No requirements for record etc, just pay to play. That's all it takes to to Regionals? WTF I think really the nationals are the big deal. The regionals is not super organized. It isn't like the US youth regionals where you have to qualify. I think that is mainly because there aren't that many teams in the area who want to go.
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Post by surgesoccer on Apr 7, 2019 18:57:37 GMT -5
I'll chime in.
SCCL winners of Fall league advance directly to National Cup (Denver).
SCCL winners of Spring league get favorable placement in Regionals (Winston Salem). Have to win from here to advance to Nationals. Appears anyone can apply to regionals but not certain everyone is going to get in. Wondering if its similar to State Cup where anyone can apply then depending upon numbers they may have some play in games.
I have not been able to confirm if National Cup series includes ECNL, NPL and PL (Which is what SCCL is). I think it will be all three.
SCCL Tournament is ECNL, NPL and SCCL. I've been told that Vestavia Hills, CESA and BUSA SCCL teams will participate in tournament. Not sure what the winner of that receives
For our team we lost the Fall by two points due to a tie in last game (would have had the goal differential tie breaker). Bummer to not win the Fall League but can't say I'm sorry to lose out on the automatic Nationals Slot. Not sure how SCCL secured automatic spots for Fall winners but from my perspective you should have to advance to nationals via regionals, not for winning a Fall league. Could lead to some lopsided games at Nationals.
Regionals in Winston Salem and Nationals in Denver would be pretty hard for our team to afford. I figured it will cost at least $1,000 per player for regionals and probably $1,500 for Nationals. Plus it's right when club fees for next year start. ECNL folks may be used to that but not this SCCL dad.
**Also noticed that on SCCL website there is a form to submit an application to apply to SCCL.
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Post by toddga675 on Apr 7, 2019 19:06:55 GMT -5
ECNL National Playoffs | San Diego, CA | June 25-July 1, 2019
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 7, 2019 20:03:10 GMT -5
surgesoccerI think there is a good reason why many clubs don't do the Nationals. You mentioned one...the cost. Other reasons such as players missing due to summer soccer camps, the fact that the team may not be the same the following year due to movement up/down/to another club and the awkwardness that may be associated with that. Last year the UFA 02 girls premier team qualified for Nationals due to winning NPL and they did not go. I don't know the reason why (I never asked anyone) but maybe it was just too much. On the girls side last year I believe it was just NPL teams at nationals. The boys had ECNL and NPL.
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Apr 8, 2019 6:52:01 GMT -5
National "Cup" is different than ENPL or NPL Finals.
National Cup (if that is what SCCL qualifies for) is 7/19-7/23 in Commerce City, CO. I don't have a dog in SCCL so I am not sure who qualifies for what. But National "Cup" is not the same thing as the ENPL pathway.
On the boys side... The top 4 teams in the South Atlantic ECNL division and the top 2 teams in the South Atlantic NPL division qualify for a COMBINED ENPL Playoffs 6/28-7/2 in Rockford, IL. From there, the top 8 teams move on to ENPL Finals 7/11-7/15 in Commerce City, CO.
On the girls side... ECNL and NPL are separate. The top 4 teams in the South Atlantic ECNL division qualify for ECNL Playoffs 6/25-7/1 in San Diego, CA. From there, the top 4 teams from Playoffs move on the ECNL Finals (Semis and Finals only) 7/12-7/14 in Richmond, VA I believe. NPL Finals are 7/11-7/15 in Commerce City, CO. Only the winner from the South Atlantic NPL division qualifies and goes straight to Girls NPL Finals.
This path varies slightly by age group. For example, U13 and U19 are a little different I believe but this is the path for the bulk of the age groups. Don't quote me though.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 8, 2019 11:36:37 GMT -5
National "Cup" is different than ENPL or NPL Finals. National Cup (if that is what SCCL qualifies for) is 7/19-7/23 in Commerce City, CO. I don't have a dog in SCCL so I am not sure who qualifies for what. But National "Cup" is not the same thing as the ENPL pathway. On the boys side... The top 4 teams in the South Atlantic ECNL division and the top 2 teams in the South Atlantic NPL division qualify for a COMBINED ENPL Playoffs 6/28-7/2 in Rockford, IL. From there, the top 8 teams move on to ENPL Finals 7/11-7/15 in Commerce City, CO. On the girls side... ECNL and NPL are separate. The top 4 teams in the South Atlantic ECNL division qualify for ECNL Playoffs 6/25-7/1 in San Diego, CA. From there, the top 4 teams from Playoffs move on the ECNL Finals (Semis and Finals only) 7/12-7/14 in Richmond, VA I believe. NPL Finals are 7/11-7/15 in Commerce City, CO. Only the winner from the South Atlantic NPL division qualifies and goes straight to Girls NPL Finals. This path varies slightly by age group. For example, U13 and U19 are a little different I believe but this is the path for the bulk of the age groups. Don't quote me though. Right. This is all true. Part of what I was referring to with the boys and girls in my earlier post. I am not sure though who participates in the National Cup that SCCL is going to because it is my understanding that any US Club team can go to the Regionals and not sure if those regional results allow for placement in the National Cup. Regardless I think that any of these events outside of DA and ECNL playoff events and NL series of Regionals and Nationals playoff events seem to be not viewed as important enough for some teams or clubs to push their players to attend. I personally think that having events a month or more after tryouts is a bad idea. Also the timing of these events make it so difficult to plan your summer around...especially anything that you might or might not qualify for. It would be best to have the whole thing sequentially in two weekends and not so deep into summer. At least some groups like the initial ECNL and DA "playoffs" also have a "showcase" division at the same time...if my understanding of the is correct. Please correct me if I am wrong about that. This way everyone can plan to go to that tournament and you can plan vacations, ID camps or other summer camps around that event. I am just not a fan of blocking out several weeks as "possible soccer events" and then having to plan around them and then you fail to qualify or whatever. I just want to point out that I am very committed to soccer for my kids and I struggle with this summer interference. All that my older daughter does in the summer revolves around soccer (multiple camps some serious and some less so). I just think that our VERY EARLY return to school makes this a bigger issue for our kids than maybe it is in the northeast or elsewhere. Many of our kids return to soccer practice at the end of July. Where is your time to go away to camp if you have any National tournament of importance in the middle of July and then you start training for the next season one or two weeks later???
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Post by atlutd17 on Apr 8, 2019 12:24:13 GMT -5
Not to get off topic but in response, every player especially the DA/ECNL type of player need time OFF more than anyone else. I would say three to four weeks at least. Otherwise they are risking mental and physical fatigue and even injury. We often detect similar fatigue in professional players at the World Cup in summer. Their teams are smart enough to give them time off after their WC, in late July during early preseason depending how far their country has gone in the WC finals. So if players are in the Nationals whether ECNL or USYS mid July, it should be a no brainer to completely rest till mid August (before getting into specific preseason conditioning programs), if they want to last another year healthy and in high performance levels.
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