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Post by atv on May 4, 2019 8:44:31 GMT -5
GSA (if posted already I apologize). Good luck everyone. #GSAStrong
ECNL/SCCL ID Clinic Join top GSA staff, including current and expected ECNL/SCCL coaches for the coming seasonal year, for this high level, high energy ECNL/SCCL ID session. This camp is open to any individuals born in 2008 thru 2001 for the girls and boys (they do not have to be a member of GSA to participate). This camp is intended as a first step towards identification for the Elite Clubs National League (ECNL) or Southeastern Clubs Champions League (SCCL) programs.
CURRENT GSA ECNL/SCCL REGISTERED PLAYERS DO NOT NEED TO REGISTER (just show up!); PLAYERS NOT REGISTERED WITH GSA ECNL/SSCL MUST REGISTER AND PAY EARLY BIRD ($10) OR FULL PRICE ($25)
Players will benefit from the high level training sessions designed specifically for ECNL/SCCL teams, which include individual technical development and team dynamics.
Please arrive at least 20 minutes before session starts for check-in.
DATES & TIMES:
May 12 from 5:00 to 7:00 pm - Boys 2008s, 2007s, 2006s, 2005s
May 12 from 7:00 to 9:00 pm - Boys 2004s, 2003s, 2002s, 2001s
May 17 from 7:00 to 9:00 pm - Girls 2008s, 2007s, 2006s, 2005s
May 19 from 6:00 to 8:00 pm - Girls 2004s, 2003s, 2002s, 2001s
LOCATION:
GSA South/Lilburn - 925 Cole Drive SW, Lilburn, GA 30047
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Post by soccerdaddy on May 4, 2019 10:07:07 GMT -5
Outside Players $10 for early sign up or $25 at session. Not too much to turn away parents but I guess they want to ensure you are serious 😃👏💰👍
Are there any other clubs charging money for ID sessions to existing or outside players? UFA is not as all players are welcome.
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Post by soccermaxx72 on May 4, 2019 12:36:42 GMT -5
To me that’s insulting. GSA should be trying to find good players and not using the camp as a way to make some extra coin.
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Post by rocko1989 on May 4, 2019 13:12:51 GMT -5
To me that’s insulting. GSA should be trying to find good players and not using the camp as a way to make some extra coin. We lived in another state, and our local club charged a small fee ($10 I think) for tryouts. Just curious what your thoughts are about that procedure? I am neither for or against charging a bit for both the tryouts and/or the ID camps. I can see both sides.
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Post by soccerdaddy on May 4, 2019 13:14:22 GMT -5
To me that’s insulting. GSA should be trying to find good players and not using the camp as a way to make some extra coin. Agreed! Competitive Soccer is already ridiculously expensive!!!
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 4, 2019 13:34:34 GMT -5
I see both sides to this debate. If you're really interested in GSA you'll fork over the dough. However, we already pay quite a lot for youth soccer already, shouldn't the real goal be about getting the best player period, regardless of ability to pay? I would say a compromise might be for GSA to put the cost of the ID Camp towards your actual fees. Every little bit helps...
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 4, 2019 13:39:27 GMT -5
Did anyone attend the AFU ECNL ID Camp or the UFA DA Youth ID Camp? What were your thoughts, likes, dislikes? What did the numbers look like? I'm hearing from folks the older age groups for the AFU ID session was cancelled because of lightning & rain...
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Post by futbolpapa on May 4, 2019 14:00:30 GMT -5
Yes, AFU ID camp was cancelled about 30 mins in due to weather delays. Attendance seemed to be pretty strong (at least the parking lots at GPP were full.)
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on May 4, 2019 15:18:09 GMT -5
“Hopes may rise on the grasmere But honey pie, you're not safe here.”
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Post by sportsdad on May 4, 2019 16:44:36 GMT -5
Yes, AFU ID camp was cancelled about 30 mins in due to weather delays. Attendance seemed to be pretty strong (at least the parking lots at GPP were full.) Was this the boys? I heard the girls went for a full 90 min on Friday.
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Post by shaka on May 4, 2019 18:19:14 GMT -5
What about charging for the pre tryout practices that are held the week before tryouts? For Academy ages.I think some clubs charge and some don't. TH charges $25 per practice
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 4, 2019 22:57:02 GMT -5
AFU went with upcoming U13-U15 ID camps from 6-7:30 and U16-U19 from 7:30-9 at GPP. I'm guessing the 2nd batch got called early due to weather.
Regarding numbers..I only saw the younger age group session. The U13s were probably the least attended. The other ages in the mid-20's. It was definitely mostly existing AFU players but some other club wear was out. Upcoming U15G had the biggest group with just under 30.
On a side...a non-AFU girl stole my kid's ball... wasn't sure until it was too late...who does this?
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 4, 2019 22:58:57 GMT -5
Is GSA really a good bet in Gwinnett? It’s closer to our house but I’ve heard bad things about how it’s run on the girls side GSA and AFU, different philosophies to be sure. Tryout at both and see which your kid enjoys the most. What have you heard about GSA on the girls side? A former GSA parent murmured something to me last year... but i have no idea what he was talking about?
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Post by blu on May 5, 2019 7:08:30 GMT -5
I don't really have a problem with $10 for a ID camp training session. I can see it both ways though. Is GSA really a good bet in Gwinnett? It’s closer to our house but I’ve heard bad things about how it’s run on the girls side Well that's a loaded question. I would say GSA, like any program, has coaches that know what they're doing. They can all run you thru the drills. Do they all fit "YOUR" particular definition of a good coach? That's something for you to figure out and differs for each person. Going to something like an ID camp might give you the chance to speak with them. Better yet, go watch your childs age team play an actual game. Just glancing thru the standings they seem to do pretty well at ECNL.
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Post by justafan on May 5, 2019 19:12:47 GMT -5
I don't really have a problem with $10 for a ID camp training session. I can see it both ways though. Is GSA really a good bet in Gwinnett? It’s closer to our house but I’ve heard bad things about how it’s run on the girls side Well that's a loaded question. I would say GSA, like any program, has coaches that know what they're doing. They can all run you thru the drills. Do they all fit "YOUR" particular definition of a good coach? That's something for you to figure out and differs for each person. Going to something like an ID camp might give you the chance to speak with them. Better yet, go watch your childs age team play an actual game. Just glancing thru the standings they seem to do pretty well at ECNL.
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Post by justafan on May 5, 2019 19:18:03 GMT -5
I can’t speak on The GSA situation, but Mirza seems to have a good model. The guy knows how to develop a team and understands when to push and when to show his softer side. I believe he is only coaching girls this year, but it’s well worth taking a look if your kid wants to really develop.
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Post by holding on May 5, 2019 19:25:20 GMT -5
Agree 100%. He is only coaching the 05 ECNL girls next year
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Post by 4theloveofsoccer on May 5, 2019 20:34:49 GMT -5
From my point of view GSA is more stable and established, as AFU has been going through the ebbs and flows it seems for the past decade.
AFU is currently going through a transition which can be a good thing or bad, depending on who you talk to. From another thread the 05 Girls Elite may split, and word is MM will no longer coach the 05 Boys ECNL team anymore, which will make the 4th coach in 4 seasons for that team.
In girls ECNL standings GSA is higher ranked in every age group. For the boys side it is a coin flip. Take it for what it’s worth on the boys side…I do not know of many AFU Boys players currently on Atlanta United DA or if any compared to all the other clubs in Georgia. Could this be because they are not developing players, them trying to keep players from leaving, not having a relationship with AU?
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Post by Keeper on May 5, 2019 21:26:23 GMT -5
Is GSA really a good bet in Gwinnett? It’s closer to our house but I’ve heard bad things about how it’s run on the girls side You are correct, the girls side is falling apart and if you ever want to get noticed you HAVE to be at Lilburn. Dacula/North was only merged for the fields and to scholarship the “good” kids at Lilburn. We travel to a great Dekalb club, and have a lot of friends still/going to AFU instead.
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Post by Keeper on May 5, 2019 21:32:17 GMT -5
Outside Players $10 for early sign up or $25 at session. Not too much to turn away parents but I guess they want to ensure you are serious 😃👏💰👍 Are there any other clubs charging money for ID sessions to existing or outside players? UFA is not as all players are welcome. If clubs do not charge outside players not with the club then it’s technically illegal recruiting. By charging them it’s considered a Camp and not tampering. Most clubs in the past have charged $1 to $10 for these type of pre-tryout camps just to make sure they stay legal. Of course GB at concorde and his wisdom for making millions realized he could charge a lot more and dumb Concorde parents would still pay it to make sure Lil Billy and Lucy make the “top” teams.
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Post by blu on May 5, 2019 23:06:38 GMT -5
Is GSA really a good bet in Gwinnett? It’s closer to our house but I’ve heard bad things about how it’s run on the girls side You are correct, the girls side is falling apart and if you ever want to get noticed you HAVE to be at Lilburn. Dacula/North was only merged for the fields and to scholarship the “good” kids at Lilburn.
False.
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Post by atv on May 6, 2019 5:40:44 GMT -5
Is GSA really a good bet in Gwinnett? It’s closer to our house but I’ve heard bad things about how it’s run on the girls side You are correct, the girls side is falling apart and if you ever want to get noticed you HAVE to be at Lilburn. Dacula/North was only merged for the fields and to scholarship the “good” kids at Lilburn. We travel to a great Dekalb club, and have a lot of friends still/going to AFU instead. The girls programs at GSA look very deep both in numbers and talent. I see no issue with players outside of the club paying $10- to participate in the ID session.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 6, 2019 7:03:51 GMT -5
Did anyone attend the UFA DA ID Camps this weekend on Friday/Sunday? What were your thoughts, likes, dislikes? What did the numbers look like, etc...? Thx
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Post by 4theloveofsoccer on May 6, 2019 7:39:41 GMT -5
You are correct, the girls side is falling apart and if you ever want to get noticed you HAVE to be at Lilburn. Dacula/North was only merged for the fields and to scholarship the “good” kids at Lilburn. We travel to a great Dekalb club, and have a lot of friends still/going to AFU instead. The girls programs at GSA look very deep both in numbers and talent. I see no issue with players outside of the club paying $10- to participate in the ID session. www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/southeast-conference-standings-2018-19/ events.gotsport.com/events/Default.aspx?EventID=71054 GSA Girls are higher in standings for ECNL in every age group and will be playing in the top division for SCCL, while AFU will be in the second division where some parents are not happy with saying it is a step back from where they were playing before. I wouldn't say GSA is falling apart and I would not say AFU is falling apart. It looks GSA is in better position though.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 6, 2019 8:47:21 GMT -5
I can tell you that at the younger academy ages (U9 and U10) on the girls side GSA is very strong and the North branch appears stronger than the South branch. Certainly as they get older you need to go South for ECNL/SCCL, but that is pretty normal for clubs with multiple branches. Most large clubs have either some sort of midpoint location or go to the main branch for the upper level teams. We don't live near either GSA or AFU so wouldn't go to either at this time, BUT I will say over the last 6 years I have seen AFU stay stagnant or get worse quality wise while GSA has gotten better. This is solely based on the quality of the actual teams and players. This may have more to do with the numbers of the player pool than with anything to do with coaching or philosophy. I actually like several of the AFU coaches and have several friends there that are happy.
I made this post solely to say that I do not think that GSA is falling apart from am outsider's perspective. AFU has stumbled lately, but I think they have the quality to come back. Ultimately I think that both are quality and decisions need to be made on the individual age and gender of a team and the coach of the time as well as the level of play one is looking to be part of.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 6, 2019 8:50:07 GMT -5
What about charging for the pre tryout practices that are held the week before tryouts? For Academy ages.I think some clubs charge and some don't. TH charges $25 per practice In the past this was pretty normal. It was a "pre-tryout camp." UFA used to charge $10.
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Post by heretounderstand on May 6, 2019 9:50:22 GMT -5
I can tell you that at the younger academy ages (U9 and U10) on the girls side GSA is very strong and the North branch appears stronger than the South branch. Certainly as they get older you need to go South for ECNL/SCCL, but that is pretty normal for clubs with multiple branches. Most large clubs have either some sort of midpoint location or go to the main branch for the upper level teams. We don't live near either GSA or AFU so wouldn't go to either at this time, BUT I will say over the last 6 years I have seen AFU stay stagnant or get worse quality wise while GSA has gotten better. This is solely based on the quality of the actual teams and players. This may have more to do with the numbers of the player pool than with anything to do with coaching or philosophy. I actually like several of the AFU coaches and have several friends there that are happy. I made this post solely to say that I do not think that GSA is falling apart from am outsider's perspective. AFU has stumbled lately, but I think they have the quality to come back. Ultimately I think that both are quality and decisions need to be made on the individual age and gender of a team and the coach of the time as well as the level of play one is looking to be part of. For not being at either club I think you have nailed it. I am at one and I know a lot of folks at the other. Both clubs have issues they sweep under the rug and both have some key features. Try out at both. If your child is offered a spot at both clubs I say pick the best coach for your child and/or where they felt most comfortable during tryouts and head there. They each have some amazing coaches at certain age groups and some good/ok coaches coaches at others.
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Post by soccergurl on May 6, 2019 9:55:18 GMT -5
Also looking to see which club to go to. Anyone have any info on the following ecnl coaches?
GSA= judson hamby, rusty staggs, campbell chapman and drew prentice AFU= vince hayes, stephen george, nadine kezeboo, domenic martelli
thank you
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Post by atlsoccer on May 6, 2019 9:59:36 GMT -5
GSA - Drew is great AFU - I like Stephen George and Dom too
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 6, 2019 10:01:37 GMT -5
Also looking to see which club to go to. Anyone have any info on the following ecnl coaches? GSA= judson hamby, rusty staggs, campbell chapman and drew prentice AFU= vince hayes, stephen george, nadine kezeboo, domenic martelli thank you Have friends that rave about Nadine. They play for her now and have several others that private train with her too
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