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Post by Keeper on Apr 20, 2020 21:54:14 GMT -5
This is weird IMO. They get ALL their money in June-fall. Why would they be hurting NOW? Not all true. A lot of clubs have payment plans for a lot of families and since all this started most probably haven’t been making those payments. My guess is this is also to help coaches go on unemployment too.
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Post by Keeper on Apr 20, 2020 20:01:57 GMT -5
Just curious, who is willing to accept responsibility for killing a person?
Because that’s what you’re saying you want to do by going back to business as usual before the world figures this out. No one knows if they are carrying this virus and has no idea who they’re passing it on to. So if you pass it on to someone are you ready to accept responsibility for killing someone?
When you’re sick with the flu, strep, or any other virus you’re suppose to stay home and not infect anyone else. If you’re HIV-Positive do you go around having sex without notifying partners? Or perform jobs that can spread the virus? Or say even simpler you kill someone with your car? So the fact that this virus just sits waiting weeks to come out you don’t know when it’ll become an infectious level.
You do any of those things above and you can face jail time or at least a civil suit from the family of the person you killed.
It’s only been a few weeks, sit tight and be good human beings that care about life and death.
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Post by Keeper on Apr 20, 2020 11:26:30 GMT -5
That’s actually really awesome of them, SSA just laid off all of their no “full time” coaches today. Guess there will be lots of quality coaches looking for clubs come fall. Could be big for CF TH and UFA I'm not sure you really understand what SSA did. SSA furloughed these 1099 part time coaches. They didn't lay them off. They did this to help those coaches out because the stimulus law that passed allows contract employees to file for unemployment as well and get the extra $600 along with it. So it wasn't necessarily a bad thing, and I don't believe many coaches will be looking for new clubs except the ones SSA doe not invite back for the fall. So I don't think it is going to be this big boost you think it will be or that big of a mass exodus from SSA coaching wise either. As far as recreation fees go, considering my daughter that plays recreation soccer didn't play one game and only had one practice (due to rain), I'm not sure an 85% refund is going to work for me. My daughter cost them almost absolutely nothing money wise because they never played a game and the coach is a volunteer. I expect a 100% refund of my daughter's fees for spring, or I expect for them to at least roll it over to Fall at 100%. Doesn't matter to me one way or the other. Now my son is on a select team and I don't expect much if anything to be refunded there, but since they did furlough his coach, and they still had money that was going to go out to pay him that won't go out now, I would appreciate a discount for next season say 20% or so, and honestly it probably should be more since he only played 4 games and had 8 games left and I'm sure other teams had more than that left, so they didn't pay out 2/3rd of the referee money this season either. We shall see how it goes down. I didn’t know that about contract employees, I’ll have to look into that so thanks. The reason it’s 85% is the registration fees with Ga Soccer. Those are roughly $15 per player and Ga Soccer is not refunding that back to clubs. Though I think they should or be prepared with some type of club financial assistance to help with refunds/credits. Plus they did get about 15% of the season in. Depending on the club they got two to three games in, and a couple weeks of practice.
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Post by Keeper on Apr 19, 2020 21:49:05 GMT -5
Stupid question - but there was a reason tophat and NASA merged, Is that good ole merger in jeopardy? Should NASA just go back to being NASA and apply for girls ecnl? Tophat merged because Cy wanted to retire and give up a lot of the club responsibilities. His family still have the TH field and Rec program though so maybe they put an out clause into the merger as well. If they do and pull out in the next year or so it could nearly ruin the NASA girls program.
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Post by Keeper on Apr 19, 2020 13:29:35 GMT -5
Good question . As a parent of a Norcross sccl player , I have no clue how it’s going to work out. I think the name ECRL has more pulling than the name SCCL, though the leagues would maybe be similar in quality depending on the club. But iI do think the “fair” thing to do for the overall depth of the club is to have 1st team (ecnl) at Fowler; 2nd team (ecrl) at Norcross; 3rd team SCCL-1 at Fowler ; 4th team SCCL-P at Fowler , etc. If not , dozens will leave Norcross Wonder what’s going to happen when Ufa Lawrenceville, South Georgia and/or Mountain get a group that wants one of those SCCL/ECRL/NPL or what ever alphabet soup league is new. I know Ufa South Georgia has had some decent Classic 1 / Athena A teams which would be quite comparable to some of the SCCL-C / SCCL-P especially since they’d be the only club in the that tri-state area to offer something like that.
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Post by Keeper on Apr 17, 2020 18:46:54 GMT -5
“ The majority of our costs are not incurred during the season. In general, we spend a large portion of the registration fees preparing for the season whether it’s overseeding and maintaining the season-specific turf to maintaining/purchasing equipment like lawn mowers and paint machines, sending registration fees to governing bodies, paying utilities, purchasing new goals and nets, and the list goes on and on.”
Okay seriously? These are Rec players. For most clubs over half the cost of a Rec player goes to pay to the cost of Referee crews and the GaSoccer fees. Gwinnett county also pays for the lawn/grass maintenance, lights and water at Rabbit Hill. Goals, nets, and paint were essentially not used and can used in the fall instead. If that was all true they’d be offering some type of Select refunds too minus coaching fees.
As usual Gsa is trying to have someone else pay for their scholarship kids again.
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Post by Keeper on Apr 16, 2020 23:29:41 GMT -5
Yikes! How about karma.
First off, I hate it for all the players and most of the parents. I’ve got former players there, like as most it seems and the last thing I wanted is for the them to come back under these circumstances. I hope the best for the players.
But.... this is NASA’s own doing and karma getting them back. Ever since the takeover of Tophat the change from the Admin/coach side had changed drastically from the old Tophat ways. Tophat was gone and they just made a more arrogant NASA instead. That’s at least what a lot of us coaches and directors saw from other clubs.
Tophat use to be the club that didn’t matter about league initials, they just played at the top of wherever they could. So hopefully not getting Girls ECNL (Which will probably not happen by Fall) will bring back that old style and also re-energize Ga Soccer and USYS National/Regional Leagues.
Wonder if SoccerFan30 is still around to help answer or at least deny some of this rumors.
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Post by Keeper on Apr 8, 2020 23:27:16 GMT -5
It’s only been a couple weeks 🤦🏻♂️ Relax...
Yes in this world of an idiot president who makes things up daily and then has members of the press agree with those bits of fiction it’s tough to know what is right and what is made up to just make stock prices go up.
But this is a real thing and considering the amount of deaths that are jumping for younger adults and children no one knows what it’s going to do so have some patience and just wait.
Families survived for centuries without seeing anyone outside of their family or living their homes for months, so kids having to text their friends is not going to ruin there already ruined social skills. There’s still plenty of things to do outside you just have to follow some basic rules of social distancing.
Funny how people think businesses are struggling while a majority of US Companies are so cash rich that they aren’t. And they just laid off the workforce and about to get massive tax bailouts so some are actually doing better then before. You think Publix, Kroger, Safeway, Target, Walmart, Home Depot, Amazon, Bestbuy are struggling? Their shelves say otherwise.
You gotta relax and start enjoying your summer at home because this is it. Spring soccer is done. Tryouts will be rescheduled. School is out til Fall. Pro sports are done through the summer. We can only hope NFL/NCAA FB can start up in August.
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Post by Keeper on Apr 8, 2020 22:48:45 GMT -5
BUSA promoting tryout registration now and have already move their dates back from early May to 10th-12th, and later depending on level/age. www.birminghamunited.com/tryouts/Interesting. A big bold statement that dates may change due to COVID 19 is at the top of the page. Also don't forget that Alabama is one of the states that has not been aggressive with shelter in place orders. The restrictions appear to be working and the number of new cases is stabilizing. Hopefully we will have tryouts as usual, but it is hard to say how they will let us return to normal... Brings up an interesting question, since USClub allows tryouts to begin in May what’s more important to the Atlanta USClub/SCCL clubs, having tryouts then or pushing them back to June as to not takeaway from their May Tournament money.
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Post by Keeper on Apr 8, 2020 20:52:53 GMT -5
USClub leagues are allowed to run tryouts the first two weeks of May, this has been true for the last couple of years so non Ga Soccer leagues/clubs have always had the option. I'm not really finding support for that. I found Florida and NJ NPL teams that had April [2019] tryouts. Regardless, I'm guessing we won't see tryouts until July at the earliest. BUSA promoting tryout registration now and have already move their dates back from early May to 10th-12th, and later depending on level/age. www.birminghamunited.com/tryouts/
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Post by Keeper on Apr 8, 2020 18:46:09 GMT -5
Adding College football + Title IX = reduced men’s wrestling, swimming, gymnastics, golf, tennis, lacrosse programs. It’s the current math of college sports. It’s been this way for a long time now. And I say this as a former D1 Power 5 men’s non-revenue sport athlete. (And that’s what we were called by the AD too: a non-revenue athlete.) “Non-revenue athlete” that’s funny haha. But you gotta think, how many other countries have a high level of Collegiate athletics. Outside of the USA once you go to college you give up sports and move into being an adult.
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Post by Keeper on Apr 5, 2020 17:35:14 GMT -5
I've joked about tryouts being carried out later in the summer but personally, I'm not a fan of late June or July tryouts. We've all done Super-Y in the summer and it is brutally hot in Atlanta. Plus as an ongoing habit, we can't have tryouts way too late into the summer since the money grubbing clubs do actually have to plan for coaches, fields, team dynamics and the appropriate infrastructure needed to support said teams. I know these are trying times, but another mother suggested the following: Conducting tryouts in December? We keep teams the way they currently are, unless someone doesn't want to stay with their current team, then they are free to talk with other clubs if there is a spot for them. Following a robust fall season(fingers crossed), we clear off the first week of December to have full-on citywide tryouts. You open up the recruitment period the Friday before thanksgiving all the way through to tryouts. I'll now sit back and listen to your thoughts, agreements, disagreements or alternate ideas... Well I am not a mother but I did suggest this above. Play Fall 2020 as Spring 2020, allow players that want to leave to file for a transfer if they want (especially U15-U19) and then do tryouts in January when the new year starts. Let normal tournaments go though December, and hopefully finish seasons by Dec like a normal Fall season. Tryouts for U9-U14 could be mid January like HS and then U15-19 could be in early May as the HS season ends and BEFORE school let’s out for summer so it doesn't conflict with vacations like it does now.
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Post by Keeper on Apr 4, 2020 19:46:46 GMT -5
This would actually be a great time to move the soccer year to coincide with the age year. Have teams stay together through the Fall as they currently are, or where they were in Fall 2019, and then hold tryouts in January/February. This way there’s no more confusion about what year a kid is, as everyone will play as that age. For example the 2008s next year (2021) would play as 13Us and theyd all actually be 12 & 13, unlike now those fall birthdays would be 11 playing as 13Us.
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Post by Keeper on Apr 2, 2020 13:45:01 GMT -5
Love this line
“ There have been quite a few requests for the GHSA to allow a 5th year of eligibility to students due to this crisis. There are no plans to grant an additional year.”
Other then kids who may have skipped a grade or older then all their classmates what 17/18 year old wants to re-due their senior year instead of go off to college / life. It does suck to lose your last season but just another reason to try and play and live like it’s your last time. I had a former player who tore but ACLs so whenever she stepped back on the field she knew it could be her last.
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Post by Keeper on Apr 2, 2020 13:29:15 GMT -5
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UFA ECNL
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Post by Keeper on Apr 2, 2020 13:25:03 GMT -5
Years ago we heard about the legendary Gwinnett by law “Gwinnett also has a rule that only one organization is allowed to have access to one park...” - was an issue when norcross started using cemetery. Is the rule documented in any official Gwinnett codes and/or regulations? I'm not sure that rule is a reality. Don't both GSA & UFA have access to Rhodes Jordan Park in Lawrenceville? Both are able to rent the fields, like all other Gwinnett Parks clubs. But Rhodes Jordan was built specifically for Adult play and rental so the Adult leagues are suppose to get priority.
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UFA ECNL
Apr 2, 2020 13:23:20 GMT -5
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Post by Keeper on Apr 2, 2020 13:23:20 GMT -5
I'm sure ecnl teams players will not have to pay out of county fees --- to the best of my knowledge DA players do not have to pay out of county fees. I think this is fair practice, however, if a new player is added from outside the club that was not with the club the prior year and lives outside the county of interest, I could see and justify that player having to pay out of county fees. But this does get a little confusing, DA teams like the u17/u19 boys teams at UFA train at fowler, south and summerour - so would you charge kids both ways... See that’s the issue. Every out of county player no matter if they are playing Rec, Academy, Classic/Athena, SCCL, NPL, DA, or ECNL is suppose to pay. This is their equivalent of what us Gwinnett residents pay in taxes per year ($90 a season/sport). This goes for football, baseball and all other sports ran at Gwinnett Parks Dept clubs.
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UFA ECNL
Apr 1, 2020 21:21:19 GMT -5
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Post by Keeper on Apr 1, 2020 21:21:19 GMT -5
Per our County supervisor, Ufa does not like to share or allow anyone to use the fields when they aren’t there. As the county is allowed to rent the fields out when Ufa isn’t using them but Ufa continues to insist they use them 24/7. They also did not pay the out of county fee for multiple players/teams and then tried to hide it. Anyone that lives outside of Gwinnett is suppose to pay a $90 a season tax to use the facilities, this goes for all Gwinnett organizations. Gwinnett also has a rule that only one organization is allowed to have access to one park, and with Ufa Lawrenceville fighting to take complete control over Rhodes Jordan that is technically infringing on that rule with Ufa already having Pinckneyville. Same reason gsa is having issues now that they took over Dacula/Rabbit Hill and are also wanting Rhodes Jordan. It’s one helluva mess as the Parks Dept is very split, like all politics in Gwinnett, nearly 50/50 so it just depends on who stays in charge over the coming years. Years ago we heard about the legendary Gwinnett by law “Gwinnett also has a rule that only one organization is allowed to have access to one park...” - was an issue when norcross started using cemetery. Is the rule documented in any official Gwinnett codes and/or regulations? Great question and no idea. I think this is why there is a lot of gray area as it’s written in some documents but not all.
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Post by Keeper on Apr 1, 2020 21:20:03 GMT -5
Wasnt it Forsyth county that turfed their own county parks? UFA just reaped the rewards, right? Isn’t it the morons at Gwinnett county that didn’t let AFU repair broken sprinklers at Scott Hudgens? Jump Jump, Doesn’t AFU have George Pierce and Scott Hudgens? Scott Hudgins is owned by Ga DNR and leased to the City of Duluth. SHP is on the river and has certain rules that have to be followed since it’s technically protected wildlife land. Thus no permanent lights and anytime anything is built/repaired it has to be approved by the state. Gwinnett County Parks has no control over it.
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Post by Keeper on Apr 1, 2020 19:52:47 GMT -5
So? If they want a turf field then they should go find another Summerour type location. Or share Pinckneyville with other clubs. Either way as a Gwinnett tax payer I’m tired of seeing only North/Rich Gwinnett parks getting updated or built. If Ufa has money to turf fields then they should go buy the land and do it. But considering they’re people within the Gwinnett Co Parks Dept. that are ready to throw Ufa out of the county facilities they should be happy they have what they have. I'm curious as to why they would want to throw UFA out of their county parks? Could you provide some insight? Thnx... Per our County supervisor, Ufa does not like to share or allow anyone to use the fields when they aren’t there. As the county is allowed to rent the fields out when Ufa isn’t using them but Ufa continues to insist they use them 24/7. They also did not pay the out of county fee for multiple players/teams and then tried to hide it. Anyone that lives outside of Gwinnett is suppose to pay a $90 a season tax to use the facilities, this goes for all Gwinnett organizations. Gwinnett also has a rule that only one organization is allowed to have access to one park, and with Ufa Lawrenceville fighting to take complete control over Rhodes Jordan that is technically infringing on that rule with Ufa already having Pinckneyville. Same reason gsa is having issues now that they took over Dacula/Rabbit Hill and are also wanting Rhodes Jordan. It’s one helluva mess as the Parks Dept is very split, like all politics in Gwinnett, nearly 50/50 so it just depends on who stays in charge over the coming years.
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Post by Keeper on Apr 1, 2020 19:23:51 GMT -5
With all the other fields and parks that need work in Gwinnett, Pinckneyville doenst need to be turfed. It’s a top notch park already and there’s no need for the “rich” to get any richer while other parks and clubs suffer in Gwinnett. There’s already at least half a dozen parks in Gwinnett that have been on the list to be turfed or grass fields built for over 6 years now. UFA offered to pay and if you had to experience field 3 after a sizable drizzle, you'd agree that at the very least it should be turfed... So? If they want a turf field then they should go find another Summerour type location. Or share Pinckneyville with other clubs. Either way as a Gwinnett tax payer I’m tired of seeing only North/Rich Gwinnett parks getting updated or built. If Ufa has money to turf fields then they should go buy the land and do it. But considering they’re people within the Gwinnett Co Parks Dept. that are ready to throw Ufa out of the county facilities they should be happy they have what they have.
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UFA ECNL
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Post by Keeper on Apr 1, 2020 14:03:35 GMT -5
It doesn't help the situation that Gwinnett county won't turf pinckneyville park -- at least a single field would make a huge difference. Major plug to UFA, their DA teams do not miss training sessions due to weather --- (advantage for sure of playing DA -- all training sessions occur and typically are the full regularly schedule training sessions of 1.5 hours) With all the other fields and parks that need work in Gwinnett, Pinckneyville doenst need to be turfed. It’s a top notch park already and there’s no need for the “rich” to get any richer while other parks and clubs suffer in Gwinnett. There’s already at least half a dozen parks in Gwinnett that have been on the list to be turfed or grass fields built for over 6 years now.
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Post by Keeper on Mar 29, 2020 12:26:29 GMT -5
Let's hope we get back soon! Hope all you want but you have to start thinking realistically. We haven’t even made it 1/3 of the way up the mountain. The six weeks of April and early May will be the beginning of the worst and how we respond during that will depend on if things start getting back to normal by July 4th, or Labor Day. Schools are done till Fall. Youth Soccer and sports are done till Fall. Tryouts will be moved to July (at the earliest) Professional sports and major events are done til at least July. If billionaires are not able to restart their money machines of professional sports even to play in empty arenas till Summer then the other stuff is definitely not happening. We all just need to stay calm, prepare for the long term and trust the CDC & true medical experts for news and ignore any briefing that orange clown does on it.
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Post by Keeper on Mar 29, 2020 12:06:29 GMT -5
Frankly I think Georgia is precariously teetering on the edge. Take a drive around the ATL and see all the young people ignoring the mandates... people are still being dumb, and thus it will continue to get worse. Parents likely need to threaten taking away phone, internet and car privileges. Thankfully we're more rural in terms of chances of exposure. Slow your roll there buddy. I’ve seen plenty of 30-50 year old adults out ignoring the stay at home notices too. It’s not just the young people unless the young people include everyone under 65 years old. Difference is a lot of 20somethings have jobs in restaurants, bars, & other businesses that haven’t shut down while us old pre- millennials have all been able to work from home.
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Post by Keeper on Mar 25, 2020 12:39:10 GMT -5
You may be correct for 1 more year but npl is toast in the grand scheme At that point UFA may have a cluster. Norcross parents may leave en mass if they have to drop to SCCL2. I’m sure between Ambush, Santos, & Rush/Chiefs getting SCCL those players would be welcome to come join one of those teams.
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Post by Keeper on Mar 23, 2020 15:48:02 GMT -5
maxx - I was just about to ask a similar question. And with several of the big Atlanta-based SCCL clubs pulling out of Georgia Soccer, will we see the tryout "season" change? My understanding from this forum is that GA Soccer controlled tryout dates. It would not surprise me at all if (non-GA Soccer) clubs set their own tryout dates going forward. USClub leagues are allowed to run tryouts the first two weeks of May, this has been true for the last couple of years so non Ga Soccer leagues/clubs have always had the option.
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Post by Keeper on Mar 19, 2020 22:33:21 GMT -5
Well one, look at your signing day information. I bet it says in extremely small print at the bottom, No Refunds. So technically the clubs don’t have to do anything to justify not doing refunds.
Second, that’s pretty smart thinking but it seems like it’s more about fighting the other clubs and showing potential new customers just how much they did to make their players better in what will be referred to as the Lost Spring.
Lastly, “club attorneys”? Haha nice one!
(Sarcasm and some truth used in this post)
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Post by Keeper on Mar 17, 2020 17:43:23 GMT -5
You have probably all heard-the SEC officially cancelled (not suspended or postponed) all Winter and Spring Sports at this point. While I have not heard, it is doubtful this will be the only conference to do this. While I hope my pessimism is wrong, I doubt high school sports will start back up. Our local middle school conference has already cancelled the rest of their track, baseball, and soccer seasons. GHSA has said the regular seasons belong to the schools. How many schools are going to want to crank everything back up? What if some schools want to start again, and some don’t? I know we can do “what ifs” forever..... You mean last major conference to wait and cancel? Almost everyone else has canceled their spring seasons. Especially since the NCAA canceled all the championships so there’s no point in playing the conference games. No more college games or events until the Fall, hopefully.
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Post by Keeper on Mar 16, 2020 13:53:32 GMT -5
Don’t worry, they’ll probably only play long ball so every player is at least 6 feet apart! 😂😂 I didn't catch where he must have said they played at SSA... Figured they were GSA! 🤷🏻♂️
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Post by Keeper on Mar 16, 2020 13:15:18 GMT -5
My son's team and the age group below ours are going to try to scrimmage somewhere (mix up the teams to make it fair) Saturday if we can find a park open. Hoping we can pull it off this Saturday and every Saturday till they open things back up. I have heard they are locking up goals at some of the parks though, but I know of a few private neighborhoods that have field with goals that some of the kids on the teams live in, so we may go there instead. Why? Just stop. Stay home for two weeks and let this thing pass. The more groups that keep getting together, the worse this will be. The numbers are fine now, but wait a week. Exponential means something. There's a reason some videos go 'viral'. Don’t worry, they’ll probably only play long ball so every player is at least 6 feet apart! 😂😂
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