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Post by SoccerMom on Oct 20, 2015 7:51:03 GMT -5
Does anyone plan to attend or watch it from home??Please be our guest on Wednesday, October 21 at the Georgia Soccer offices for a town hall discussion of the changes coming to youth soccer in 2016. We will be covering the U.S. Soccer mandated changes, including the adoption of small-sided games and the the move to calrndar year based age groups. The Georgia Soccer plan for adopting these changes will be outlined at this meeting. Town Hall Meeting Wednesday, October 21 7:00 PM Georgia Soccer Offices 2323 Perimeter Park Drive Atlanta, GA 30341 -or- GoToMeeting Web Conference global.gotomeeting.com/join/789749109You can also dial in using your phone. United States : +1 (657) 220-3412 Access Code: 789-749-109 fs4.formsite.com/georgiasoccer/TownHallRSVP/index.html
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Post by jash on Oct 20, 2015 8:53:56 GMT -5
Does anyone plan to attend or watch it from home?? Are those my only choices? I'm planning to take a laptop to the fields and watch it there with other parents... hopefully.
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Post by SoccerMom on Oct 20, 2015 8:56:37 GMT -5
Does anyone plan to attend or watch it from home?? Are those my only choices? I'm planning to take a laptop to the fields and watch it there with other parents... hopefully. Haha...i guess watch it from anywhere! I will be at the fields and not really interested in running my data for it lol. There's an RSVP on the website, not sure if you have to sign up in order to get access??
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Post by spectator on Oct 20, 2015 11:04:47 GMT -5
Has anyone ever been to those offices - they are tiny - if they get a crowd there, they'll be violating fire code. Unless they've secured larger space, it's irresponsible to encourage people to pack in there.
Also, based on my experience with gotomeeting or webex, unless GA soccer has some state of the art audio and video equipment, you won't be able to hear much if you just dial in and you'll pick up more background noises and side conversations than anything else. Hopefully they'll record it for watching later?
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Post by rifle on Oct 20, 2015 19:06:46 GMT -5
Hope they can mute the caller's phones... otherwise you will likely hear people talking to their dogs, babies crying, etc.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 21, 2015 8:28:48 GMT -5
Shouldn't be an issue, they should be able to mute all lines until its necessary if there is a time for questions etc. Assume they are going to just walk through the US soccer slide set? I've seen some other states say they were going to offer both age groups for tournaments next year to accommodate all teams (calendar year and school year). Things that should be addressed though that are somewhat specific to Georgia: *How will rpl slots be determined for next fall with regards to agegroups? *Will it be the clubs decision to chose which agegroup a RPL team competes in if accepted or already in? *Given the mandate for small sided games, with Georgia soccer still allow u12 teams to play up in the future? *Will the academy cup in the future only be 9v9 at the u12 age group? I doubt this will be covered but should be in the future: Impact on ODP and DA adding the u12 age group for boys. If there are 3 DA u12 teams in metro Atlanta with 26 total kids on each team, that's a lot of kids not playing ODP. Take the current 2004 and 2003 teams, imagine those teams without the majority of their GA United alliance clubs and Concorde boys, the talent pool would be weakened greatly. Will be another thread, but how does ODP adapt on the boys side to the modern landscape. Probably is true for the girls as well given the impact of ECNL on the player pool. anything else??? Interesting answer from US soccer from frequently asked questions - www.ussoccer.com/~/media/files/coaches/2015/player-development-initiatives-faqs-final.pdf?la=enWhat are some practical approaches to help manage the team environment? Embrace the diminished role of the team concept at younger ages and have players participate as a pool of players. One method is to try using mixed age groups for teams based on the small sided standards. An example of this would be a U11/12 team instead of separate U11 and U12 teams. For younger ages, you could create teams based on the first and last 6 months of the year so that players are organized Jan. to June and July to Dec. Offering multiple teams per birth year can help diminish the effects of RAE and assist with managing scholastic sport participation.
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Post by SoccerMom on Oct 21, 2015 8:48:51 GMT -5
I don't think they will address any RPL questions, they don't make decisions for that. Thats handled by USYS
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 21, 2015 9:34:19 GMT -5
I don't think they will address any RPL questions, they don't make decisions for that. Thats handled by USYS So your saying you think USYS will make the decision for each state if a rising u16 team plays as 2000 vs 2001 team next year?
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Post by SoccerMom on Oct 21, 2015 9:51:33 GMT -5
Honestly i think it will go to the older group of each age group. so for example the current U14's are 01's and 02's, the spot will belong to the 01 group because that group goes to U15 where the 02's are supp to do U14 again. Also by having it that way theres the opportunity for all the players that earned the spot to still play with that team, you can play up but not down.
This is just my personal opinion
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Post by zizou on Oct 21, 2015 10:42:35 GMT -5
Interesting answer from US soccer from frequently asked questions - www.ussoccer.com/~/media/files/coaches/2015/player-development-initiatives-faqs-final.pdf?la=enWhat are some practical approaches to help manage the team environment? Embrace the diminished role of the team concept at younger ages and have players participate as a pool of players. One method is to try using mixed age groups for teams based on the small sided standards. An example of this would be a U11/12 team instead of separate U11 and U12 teams. For younger ages, you could create teams based on the first and last 6 months of the year so that players are organized Jan. to June and July to Dec. Offering multiple teams per birth year can help diminish the effects of RAE and assist with managing scholastic sport participation. So have the previously published age charts for determining 'U' equivalents been wrong? Because the one at that link has players being accelerated by a year rather than being stationary for a year. For instance, had not previous charts indicated that players who were U12s this year and born from Jan-July (2004s) would be U12s again next year (2016-2017)? And that U12s this year who were born in Aug-Dec (2003s) would be U13s next year (2016-2017)? This chart indicates that they will be considered U13s and U14s next year, respectively. This is where continuing with the 'U' designations gets a bit silly I suppose. Perhaps i am mis-reading this chart and previous charts. Perhaps previous charts were indicating what would be the case if the change to birth year went into effect right now. Just as an additional point, the players born in Aug-Dec 2003 would then be 12 at the very start of next season (2016-2017) but would be called a U14. They are certainly U14s. But that just make the 'U' designation seem odd.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 21, 2015 10:57:09 GMT -5
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Post by SoccerMom on Oct 21, 2015 12:08:11 GMT -5
this chart is wrong now....new one has been posted now...some kids will jump an age group
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Post by guest on Oct 21, 2015 15:02:01 GMT -5
I plan to e-attend.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 21, 2015 18:34:15 GMT -5
spectator was right Epic fail! Didn't work. Classic. I use same setup 2 to 3 times a day with no problems!!
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Post by zizou on Oct 21, 2015 18:43:23 GMT -5
Yes, that was pretty bad. Wonder if they did a trial meeting beforehand to ensure they knew how things operated. I am guessing NO. So, was anyone there? Any useful information? The slides, until the presentation froze that is, looked very familiar.
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Post by SoccerMom on Oct 21, 2015 18:45:15 GMT -5
No sound at all, except from people that cant mute their phones. The slides unfroze, but still no sound.
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Post by zizou on Oct 21, 2015 18:49:07 GMT -5
No sound at all, except from people that cant mute their phones. The slides unfroze, but still no sound. Which age chart did they show? Inquiring minds want to know! Come on man, please don't leave me hanging. I cannot stand the uncertainty. Anxiety is building...
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Post by SoccerMom on Oct 21, 2015 18:52:42 GMT -5
No sound at all, except from people that cant mute their phones. The slides unfroze, but still no sound. Which age chart did they show? Inquiring minds want to know! Come on man, please don't leave me hanging. I cannot stand the uncertainty. Anxiety is building... Hahaha I didnt see it, only saw the one about field size..so maybe it was shown when it froze...i guess we will never know.. ?
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Post by spectator on Oct 21, 2015 21:14:54 GMT -5
It sucks to be right sometimes! LOL I hope they put out some kind of recap that people can read.
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Post by soccerdadinga on Oct 21, 2015 21:26:46 GMT -5
I think that the US Soccer's most recent moves help solve the problem of not producing enough technical players, but don't do much to broaden the pool of players, which is, to me, the biggest problem.
But questions I would have.
1. U12 DA vs. ODP. It seems like having U12 groups is a direct competitor to the Boys ODP program. I'd love to know the thinking behind this.
2. U12 DA vs. Elite Clubs. Folks will play where is close for Academy and then come select time, if you've got a very good player, the push is on to move to the big clubs. But AUFC's U12 DA program seems to be the destination for all. How can you beat the cache? You know that they've got the money to compete. If that's the case, that's a direct attack on clubs (on the Boys side) whom seem to suggest that top soccer is a part of their selling point. Because the best soccer will be there.
3. Small sided games v. futsal and beach soccer. Those are the other two FIFA soccer games. What role will they play in the push towards small sided soccer?
4. Schools. One reason that Brazil crushes the US in soccer development, in part, is that in virtually every school in their country, kids play soccer indoors and in small sided games. That's because the national culture knows the game in and out. Now that we've changed the Soccer curriculum, how are we going to let everyone else know that's how to play. (Isn't that the point, to get a national style of play?)
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Post by letissier on Oct 22, 2015 10:39:21 GMT -5
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Post by soccerdadinga on Oct 22, 2015 11:12:55 GMT -5
This answers one question, which is that U14s will have Spring Soccer.
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Post by soccrballr on Oct 22, 2015 11:58:51 GMT -5
This answers one question, which is that U14s will have Spring Soccer. Which implies that the USYS matrix is wrong... The only time this would be a question is if you followed the USSF matrix and wound up with winter/spring babies in 9th grade still being considered U14. Will those kids have a spring club season on top of high school? It seems that the answer in the GSSA presentation is "Yes?" -- with a question mark. On the flip side, using the USYS matrix, fall babies would be U15 during their 8th grade year, so the question would focus on U15 instead of U14. That is, will they add in a U15 spring season to accommodate those U15 kids who aren't in high school yet? But that's not the question being asked. On top of all else, Georgia Soccer says they're waiting for USSF and USYS to figure it out before releasing an age matrix, which suggests that one of them has it wrong (as opposed to there being two parallel systems). All of this points to USYS having dropped the ball with their "updated" age matrix. The smart money is on the USSF matrix being the right one. After, that one aligns with DA and thus, presumably, the international standard -- which is what they are seeking to emulate.
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Post by SoccerMom on Oct 22, 2015 12:39:18 GMT -5
This answers one question, which is that U14s will have Spring Soccer. U14's have always had Spring Soccer, except in RPL
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Post by letissier on Oct 22, 2015 14:19:41 GMT -5
This answers one question, which is that U14s will have Spring Soccer. U14's have always had Spring Soccer, except in RPL Currently U14 is grade 8, so there is no problem having a spring season.
Assuming that 2002's will be U14 next year: half will be old grade 8's and half will young grade 9's. If they have a spring season, it will clash with high school soccer for the grade 9's.
So the grade 9's will end up paying for club soccer practice and may not be able to attend if they have a high school game. If they have a club practice and high school practice on the same night they'll have to choose. Or the grade 9's could just not play high school soccer.
If they don't run a spring season, then the grade 8's will have the spring with no soccer, while their grade 9 teammates play high school.
That's probably why they put - U14 Spring Season??
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Post by soccrballr on Oct 22, 2015 14:35:55 GMT -5
letissier: yes, exactly. See my reply to soccdadinga right above soccermom's reply. U14 being in 9th grade is the USSF matrix and is (I think) exactly why they are talking about spring soccer for that age group. This leads me to believe that the USYS matrix is wrong -- otherwise we would be talking about adding spring soccer for U15 since there would be a ton of U15 players still in middle school (i.e., fall born 8th graders).
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Post by soccerdadinga on Oct 22, 2015 14:40:06 GMT -5
Exactly. If they left it alone, as it currently stands the younger current U14s go onto U15 and only play half year of club soccer next year, except for RPL/DA/ECNL. Whereas, with the change, along with all kids born 1/1/XX - 7/31/XX, they are repeating their same age group. The current U14s will get more soccer than group as a result.
But the pulling up across the age group spectrum will have effects for the U12s that are going to still be in Academy versus playing Select next year. It also could effect clubs that have front loaded their current U12s to compete for Spring U13 RPL spots during the Fall 2016 Select cycle.
You can imagine a club with a current RPL or highly ranked U13 Classic I/Athena A U13 team team with mostly young Players being able to compete very well for the Spring 2017 RPL spots because a lot of their team will have played at that level for a full season. Those current U13 players who may struggle physically against older players will have more experience with that level of competition, but against nearly a age group down. I can see a team that's got mostly younger players currently that's mid-table U13 Classic I/Athena A, and might miss out on RPL, being able to get it the 2nd time. I can also see that helping the very large clubs on the Girls side have ECNL with older players and RPL with younger players.
But over time, the current divide that happens with September birthdays will happen with January birthdays and that's probably a good thing. Plus, I am excited that US Soccer is addressing the more important idea of requiring small sided games.
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Post by guest on Oct 22, 2015 15:37:29 GMT -5
This answers one question, which is that U14s will have Spring Soccer. U14's have always had Spring Soccer, except in RPL <snark> That's OK, we didn't have Fall Soccer either... </Snark>
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Post by SoccerMom on Oct 22, 2015 15:42:32 GMT -5
U14's have always had Spring Soccer, except in RPL <snark> That's OK, we didn't have Fall Soccer either... </Snark> awwww hahahah u have gotten some games in haven't you? The rain has been relentless, look at it this way, whatever games you dont get in the fall you can play in the spring..and voila spring season! lol
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Post by guest on Oct 22, 2015 15:48:31 GMT -5
Plus, I am excited that US Soccer is addressing the more important idea of requiring small sided games. Well some age groups are going from 3v3 to 4v4, some are going from 6v6 to 7v7 and some are going from 8v8 to 9v9. So we'll still have small sided games but they will be less small than current. Add to that the increased roster size and the decrease in game length in some age groups and you have less touches and more bench sitters. Plus with the new calendar year grouping, you'll be bench-sitting with kids you don't know.
Next up on the agenda: metric field sizes.
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