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Post by Soccerhouse on Jun 15, 2016 8:39:24 GMT -5
A buddy last night was telling me he heard the state champs, current u15 girls NASA team were all moving/or had changed clubs to stick together through the age mandate???
Is this true?
(maybe fodder on other board on this topic. don't go there anymore....)
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Post by SoccerMom on Jun 15, 2016 9:24:39 GMT -5
That's what I have heard as well, they either have moved or are looking into moving the whole team to another club. The problem this presents is that they wouldn't be able to keep their rpl status. Once they leave, they give up their standings and then apply to hopefully play in Athena A?
"Players leaving a team will not be considered to be a part of that team even if they leave the team en
masse and reform at another club. Under those circumstances, the new team will be treated as exactly
that - a new team."
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jun 15, 2016 9:31:20 GMT -5
Interesting...
What do people think with this. With classic/athena if lets say more than 50% of a team switch to a new club, technically the new club can get their classic/athena status correct? The status is about the players not the club.
Should RPL be the same way?
Wow, I'll give those girls credit for wanting to stick together. Hopefully they will regionals and go to nationals and win that! That would be a cool story.
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Post by SoccerMom on Jun 15, 2016 9:35:26 GMT -5
Interesting... What do people think with this. With classic/athena if lets say more than 50% of a team switch to a new club, technically the new club can get their classic/athena status correct? The status is about the players not the club. Should RPL be the same way? Wow, I'll give those girls credit for wanting to stick together. Hopefully they will regionals and go to nationals and win that! That would be a cool story. No, the status belongs to the club not the players.
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Post by kellymama on Jun 15, 2016 9:39:12 GMT -5
I heard it was almost the entire team (less 2 or 3). Also heard they went to UFA. Does UFA have an extra RPL spot they weren't going to fill?
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Post by soccerfan30 on Jun 15, 2016 9:39:44 GMT -5
Maybe not relevant to the U15 NASA team bur it's my understanding the 50%+1 rule in order to kerp your playing division will not be applied this fall due to the birth year mandate and some teams losing almost half their players.
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Post by SoccerMom on Jun 15, 2016 9:40:59 GMT -5
Maybe not relevant to the U15 NASA team bur it's my understanding the 50%+1 rule in order to kerp your playing division will not be applied this fall due to the birth year mandate and some teams losing almost half their players. I heard the same thing
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jun 15, 2016 9:41:26 GMT -5
Interesting... What do people think with this. With classic/athena if lets say more than 50% of a team switch to a new club, technically the new club can get their classic/athena status correct? The status is about the players not the club. Should RPL be the same way? Wow, I'll give those girls credit for wanting to stick together. Hopefully they will regionals and go to nationals and win that! That would be a cool story. No, the status belongs to the club not the players. Yes, I know the rule, I'm asking for folks opinion.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jun 15, 2016 9:45:18 GMT -5
Did they go to UFA-Milton?
That would be an interesting tale for sure -- is it possible to get national league status without playing RPL in the same season?
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Post by SoccerMom on Jun 15, 2016 9:50:27 GMT -5
I heard it was almost the entire team (less 2 or 3). Also heard they went to UFA. Does UFA have an extra RPL spot they weren't going to fill? Unfortunately all the RPL teams have been filled and a new team can't just be dropped at any club and create an RPL spot out of nowhere. If this team leaves NASA, they can hope to play Athena A at most, no club is going to displace a whole team to give them an RPL spot.
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Post by mamampira1 on Jun 15, 2016 9:53:03 GMT -5
I would give them more credit if they made the decision before tryouts instead of after they received results they were not happy with. In the current scenario they wasted their club coaches and club mates time and efforts. Why bother attend age mandate tryouts if you intend to stay together. They could have attended tryouts at clubs allowing players to play up. Just my opinion.
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Post by Keeper on Jun 15, 2016 10:00:58 GMT -5
Interesting... What do people think with this. With classic/athena if lets say more than 50% of a team switch to a new club, technically the new club can get their classic/athena status correct? The status is about the players not the club. Should RPL be the same way? Wow, I'll give those girls credit for wanting to stick together. Hopefully they will regionals and go to nationals and win that! That would be a cool story. I don't know in today's soccer world that could get really shady if you allowed the team (50%+1) to retain their spot because then the larger clubs could start buying teams from small clubs just to get those players. It could hurt a lot of small clubs that have one or two great teams who's players get sold on greener pastures.
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Post by spectator on Jun 15, 2016 10:27:17 GMT -5
mamampira1 hit the nail on the head!
Look - I get that this team wanted to stick together but so did every other team that got broken apart by the mandate. The downside of being at a big club is that management of the larger clubs were less likely to approve for entire teams to play up to stay together as they knew they have a larger pool of players that should be integrated into birth year at tryouts this year. Smaller clubs may have allowed teams to play up just to keep a team at the club. So while I empathize with the girls on team and how it does suck that this mandate ripped them apart, I lay a lot of the blame on that team of players for continuing the try out process at NASA Top Hat without clear cut approval they could stay together. They assumed NASA TopHat would bend the rules just for them. By doing that, they gave club the the assumption that players in both 2000 and 2001 age groups were still in the pool to create teams which affects way more than just this G19 Elite team from NASA.
If the entire team picks up and moves to another club that's also creating a potential problem for the new club - do they have coaches to cover that team or is the coach coming over. If the coach is coming over, is there budget for that coach's salary at the new club? Does that coach's style fit that of the new club? This decision by a group of 15 year olds and their parents/coach is much more far reaching than just them wanting to continue their success as a team - it affects more than just their little bubble.
While I wish them well at Regionals and hopefully Nationals, I think they need to abide by the rules the rest of us were forced to and either stay at NASA Top Hat and be integrated into their respective teams or move on individually to be impact players on other rosters. It's that simple.
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Post by touchlinedad on Jun 15, 2016 10:45:39 GMT -5
I don't know anything about this team but I've heard a lot about this 50+1 rule and whether it will be applied or not. This is one of the things that drives me crazy about Georgia Soccer. There isn't very clear communication about things like this. I've heard the rule will be applied and I've heard it won't be applied. Shouldn't Georgia Soccer have made a decision about this BEFORE tryouts?
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Post by mamampira on Jun 15, 2016 10:58:31 GMT -5
I would give them more credit if they made the decision before tryouts instead of after they received results they were not happy with. In the current scenario they wasted their club coaches and club mates time and efforts. Why bother attend age mandate tryouts if you intend to stay together. They could have attended tryouts at clubs allowing players to play up. Just my opinion. Um, I have a question that is not related to this comment. So, by the way, where are you using a similar name to mine as a user. This is basically my name with the number 1 added but it will lead to confusion down the road. I notice you registered as a user a couple hours ago. I selected my user name very carefully over a year ago. I would not want comments to be attributed to me, good or bad and I am sure you would not want the same. So, please, change your user name to something of yours, not mine. THANKS!
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jun 15, 2016 10:58:38 GMT -5
When Greg came to speak to our club, he told us it would still be applied, but the AGC would take every team into consideration and look at the player levels of the teams, for example a team applying with 12 A players vs 3 A players etc.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jun 15, 2016 11:05:46 GMT -5
I have no information with regards to tryouts etc, but I give them props. The team wants to stay together and they appear to be the only individuals on the planet right now that are standing up against the "mandate". My guess at this point they prefer to stay together vs worry about RPL etc. Power to them for taking a stand regardless of the timing.
Public Enemy would be proud of these girls. (Doesn't Chuck D live in the ATL?)
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Post by herdad on Jul 9, 2016 13:10:50 GMT -5
What's the status of the team- have they heard yet? Athena A?
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Post by rifle on Jul 9, 2016 15:40:17 GMT -5
What's the status of the team- have they heard yet? Athena A? why wouldn't they?
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Post by herdad on Jul 9, 2016 16:04:23 GMT -5
I don't know. I read where they were hoping to be SRPL. Just wondering if they were able to bring it with them to Milton UFA.
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Post by rifle on Jul 9, 2016 16:19:44 GMT -5
I don't believe placements have been announced, but a team full of RPL players ought to slot into Athena A without much drama.
If the rules say no RPL slot.. then they should just go earn it back.
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Post by herdad on Jul 9, 2016 16:59:32 GMT -5
I figured the same. Just read they are trying for it. Wondering if there was a definite outcome.
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Post by liverbird on Jul 14, 2016 12:57:10 GMT -5
they definetly earned it
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Post by Keeper on Jul 14, 2016 15:15:50 GMT -5
Should be interesting to see how RPL turns out since they extended the deadline to declare till tomorrow the 15th. It's so late that a team will have to declare for RPL and Classic 1/Athena A which I'm sure will lead to a lot more confusion at GA Soccer depending on when they want to announce divisions.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jul 18, 2016 13:30:19 GMT -5
Is its interesting the difference, because for Georgia soccer, the players earn the spot and the status can move with the players (51% rule, right??)
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Post by soccerball on Jul 18, 2016 15:01:29 GMT -5
So did the entire team officially leave for UFA-Milton?
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jul 23, 2016 8:57:12 GMT -5
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Post by spectator on Jul 23, 2016 9:16:03 GMT -5
What happened to that post?
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jul 23, 2016 17:28:22 GMT -5
Vanished. Very strange. He/she feared for their safety. Was a great post.
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Post by smx4 on Jul 23, 2016 17:40:58 GMT -5
What happens to the srpl spot? Will the rpl team get the spot and so on? Will NTH lose or let the spot go?
It's going to be interesting how this plays out. When are brackets released?
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