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Post by neymarscleats on May 2, 2018 13:04:54 GMT -5
AFU has three of their ECNL teams qualifying for Nationals post season. There has to be more to the story or we are actively talking about Fake News here. Yes the drop off may be large from ECNL to Athena at that club but how does dropping ECNL help attracting and keeping good talent? Having ECNL is what attracts players to it. NL/Rpl you can throw a blindfolded dart at a map of Georgia and find a club that can attain that for your daughter.
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Post by Lady Soccer Whistledown on May 2, 2018 13:10:22 GMT -5
what is the point of posting this in this thread? The DA girls were offered that earlier in the year, just so you know. CF girls were going to go and then back out due to head count and attendance levels. |
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Post by hotspur1 on May 2, 2018 13:11:47 GMT -5
League quality comparison. UFA 03G Premier in US Youth NL: 0-5-2 UFA 03G Premier in US Club NPL: 3-4-0 UFA 02G Premier in US Youth NL: 0-6-1 UFA 02G Premier in US Club NPL: 6-0-1 UFA 01G Premier in US Youth NL: 0-6-1 UFA 01G Premier in US Club NPL: 4-1-1 SSA 00G Elite in US Youth NL: 0-5-2 SSA 00G Elite in US Club NPL: 6-1-1 US Club NPL is clearly a lower level but also appears to be the right level for the Big 5, at least if you like easy leagues. Can’t beat them, then start your own league. The teams you selectively picked to dish on has historically boat raced the non big 5 teams they’ve played. Who do you think could’ve taken their spot and done any better? Surely you have some teams in mind that were more deserving since you made the snide comment about creating your own league.... |
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 2, 2018 13:34:04 GMT -5
League quality comparison. UFA 03G Premier in US Youth NL: 0-5-2 UFA 03G Premier in US Club NPL: 3-4-0 UFA 02G Premier in US Youth NL: 0-6-1 UFA 02G Premier in US Club NPL: 6-0-1 UFA 01G Premier in US Youth NL: 0-6-1 UFA 01G Premier in US Club NPL: 4-1-1 SSA 00G Elite in US Youth NL: 0-5-2 SSA 00G Elite in US Club NPL: 6-1-1 US Club NPL is clearly a lower level but also appears to be the right level for the Big 5, at least if you like easy leagues. Can’t beat them, then start your own league. The teams you selectively picked to dish on has historically boat raced the non big 5 teams they’ve played. Who do you think could’ve taken their spot and done any better? Surely you have some teams in mind that were more deserving since you made the snide comment about creating your own league.... Those were the only Big 5 National League teams that I could find. Did I miss any? |
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 2, 2018 13:35:24 GMT -5
Honestly speaking, from an outsiders view, I don't see why AFU would sign away their rights to ECNL? Am I missing something? I agree. I was not suggesting AFU drop ECNL. That would be crazy. Merely clarifying the requirements for AFU to participate in NL/RPL. |
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Post by SoccerMom on May 2, 2018 13:40:31 GMT -5
League quality comparison. UFA 03G Premier in US Youth NL: 0-5-2 UFA 03G Premier in US Club NPL: 3-4-0 UFA 02G Premier in US Youth NL: 0-6-1 UFA 02G Premier in US Club NPL: 6-0-1 UFA 01G Premier in US Youth NL: 0-6-1 UFA 01G Premier in US Club NPL: 4-1-1 SSA 00G Elite in US Youth NL: 0-5-2 SSA 00G Elite in US Club NPL: 6-1-1 US Club NPL is clearly a lower level but also appears to be the right level for the Big 5, at least if you like easy leagues. Can’t beat them, then start your own league. NL is not easy by any means, but it was UFA's 2nd teams. |
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 2, 2018 13:41:24 GMT -5
League quality comparison. UFA 03G Premier in US Youth NL: 0-5-2 UFA 03G Premier in US Club NPL: 3-4-0 UFA 02G Premier in US Youth NL: 0-6-1 UFA 02G Premier in US Club NPL: 6-0-1 UFA 01G Premier in US Youth NL: 0-6-1 UFA 01G Premier in US Club NPL: 4-1-1 SSA 00G Elite in US Youth NL: 0-5-2 SSA 00G Elite in US Club NPL: 6-1-1 US Club NPL is clearly a lower level but also appears to be the right level for the Big 5, at least if you like easy leagues. Can’t beat them, then start your own league. The teams you selectively picked to dish on has historically boat raced the non big 5 teams they’ve played. Who do you think could’ve taken their spot and done any better? Surely you have some teams in mind that were more deserving since you made the snide comment about creating your own league.... Snide comment, ok, but be honest, the 5 created their own league because their non-DA and non-ECNL teams are not performing well. The 5 have some great examples of tremendously successful first teams and even second teams in select cases, but good third teams is a rare commodity for any Georgia Soccer club. I get it. Makes sense. Put the 2nd and 3rd teams in a nice low competition league where they can quietly play their games, eat cookies and cupcakes after the games, and pay regular club fees. It’s a good business model for the clubs. I am just not a believer that it’s good model for parents and players that want to strive for higher level. But parents will vote with their wallets on the new SCCL League. |
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Post by SoccerMom on May 2, 2018 13:42:36 GMT -5
soccerlegacy It’s still normal rules for pre-qualified teams from previous RPL season minus teams from clubs that are disqualified and then your finish in Classic/Athena. RPL itself is now part of NL, National League, though the original structure of First Division and Premier Division still exists and still includes ability to qualify into the tournament series of National League. I would expect returning top level National League teams to include CFA 03B, Georgia Rush 04G, PPA 04B, and PPA 01B. UFA and SSA both had National League teams but they lost every match and did not requalify, and they are clubs that do not meet requirements for participating in National League. Their teams will compete instead in US Club’s NPL moving forward which is good because NPL competition is a much lower level and easier for them. Shade much??? Well he is affiliated with.... Let's just say he is leading the big charge from the other side |
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Post by infoguy on May 2, 2018 13:50:06 GMT -5
National League has never been poorly run. And no those were not subjective game results. Only mentioned that SRPL was poorly run. SSA 01B performed better in RPL than NPL. You have to look at each age to make a conclusion. And btw - NPL may very well be much different next year. |
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 2, 2018 13:51:08 GMT -5
Well he is affiliated with.... Let's just say he is leading the big charge from the other side Well the forum is very well represented by the Big 5 but not a lot of little clubs parents post here. |
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Post by SoccerMom on May 2, 2018 14:03:01 GMT -5
National League has never been poorly run. And no those were not subjective game results. Only mentioned that SRPL was poorly run. SSA 01B performed better in RPL than NPL. You have to look at each age to make a conclusion. And btw - NPL may very well be much different next year. Exactly, 02G UFA won SRPL btw |
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Post by hotspur1 on May 2, 2018 14:03:21 GMT -5
The teams you selectively picked to dish on has historically boat raced the non big 5 teams they’ve played. Who do you think could’ve taken their spot and done any better? Surely you have some teams in mind that were more deserving since you made the snide comment about creating your own league.... Snide comment, ok, but be honest, the 5 created their own league because their non-DA and non-ECNL teams are not performing well. The 5 have some great examples of tremendously successful first teams and even second teams in select cases, but good third teams is a rare commodity for any Georgia Soccer club. I get it. Makes sense. Put the 2nd and 3rd teams in a nice low competition league where they can quietly play their games, eat cookies and cupcakes after the games, and pay regular club fees. It’s a good business model for the clubs. I am just not a believer that it’s good model for parents and players that want to strive for higher level. But parents will vote with their wallets on the new SCCL League. Since I have a daughter let’s look at the girls side. In the fall starting at age 15 (which I believe is a good indicator since that’s really when the DA,ecnl, rpl madness takes shape) U15 Athena a was won by concord (SSA finished 3rd, ufa 5th, another ssa 6th U16 Athena a was won by ufa (SSA 4, tophat 5) U17 Athena a was won by concord (ufa finishing 4 and 5) The winning teams were 3rd sometimes 4th teams of the big five. And they are easily outperforming first and second teams of most other non big 5 clubs. So I am assuming these teams (along with the former rpl squads) will play in the new league which to me says it will be a pretty talented league. So I disagree with your lack of talent/quality assertions. True, they won’t be mistaken for a DA squad but that’s the top 1/2 of 1%. But you are right, some folks will vote with their wallet. Some will let their child decide if they want to play alongside friends or move elsewhere. In my opinion, since we don’t have true promotion / relegation anyway, this league isn’t a bad thing. Not sure if it’s a good thing but I know it can’t be any worse than rpl. |
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 2, 2018 14:06:58 GMT -5
Agree that on girls side the Big 5 have a larger share of the better Athena teams.
From the boys side, the Big 5 are dramatically worse. Especially in the younger Classic age groups.
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Post by SoccerMom on May 2, 2018 15:10:16 GMT -5
Well he is affiliated with.... Let's just say he is leading the big charge from the other side Well the forum is very well represented by the Big 5 but not a lot of little clubs parents post here. You might be surprised.... |
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 2, 2018 15:36:17 GMT -5
Doubt it
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 2, 2018 15:56:19 GMT -5
georgiasoccer411 I have to say that your comments are visibly biased and you truly can't back up most of what you spew. Yes I did use the word spew because I can find no other apropos word to use. I for one don't have a problem with folks disagreeing with my beliefs or my thought process. Folks can respectfully disagree about their experiences and pontificate about what or how things should or shouldn't be. However, when you make bold statements alluding to the fact that the Big 5 collectively took their ball and went home to sulk and from that came the Champions League... That's when I stop giving you the benefit of the doubt and write you off as nothing more than someone looking to throw fire bombs to rile people up and distort the facts. I am personally aware that the status quo wasn't working. The Big 5 asked, complained and pleaded with GA Soccer to do something to fix things and they didn't. So they took their collective bargaining power and chose another product. In this case SCCL. That doesn't change the status quo within the clubs. It's not the top teams (other than SSA) that are playing in the SCCL, those are left for DA/ECNL. IN MY OPINION the other clubs who will now have an easier passage to the RPL/NL will be happy at first, however, their opponents will soon come to realize that overall they are playing lesser inferior teams. They will wonder why the top clubs in Georgia/Atlanta are no longer playing and find some way to join in on the SCCL or go find more challenging opponents to play. It is after-all about developing your child by having them play equal or superior teams on a consistent basis. There were at least 4 additional clubs other than AFU that wanted in on the SCCL, but were declined. There are plans to expand to possibly 12 next year after all the kinks are worked out. So clearly it was something they saw as beneficial to their club and players. Tournaments like Disney are already licking their chops with the thought of knowing the level of players and teams that will be coming to their tournaments and are even lining up to give automatic bids to SCCL teams. Again these are facts that I know, not innuendo or third party hearsay. The bottom line is this. We live in America and as far as I can still tell, we ALL have choices. It's still the Pay 2 Play model. I know you might feel like a jilted date left at the Prom, however, you clearly have the option of taking your kid(s) to one of the Big 5 clubs and trying out. Or stay at your current club and continue with the status quo. Because what the Big 5 do, should have no bearing on what you or your club does. I wish you and your kids all the best of luck in whatever choice you make, but as for you I've chosen to ignore you going forward. FG Out!
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Post by petrcechitout on May 2, 2018 16:21:06 GMT -5
2018-19 TopHat Teams and I am sure CF will be the same.
Girls
I clicked reply fast. :-) 2018-19 TopHat Teams
U13/U14 DA
U15 DA
U16-17 DA
U19-10 DA
U13-14 ECNL
U15-U19 ECNL
U13-U14 SCCL
U15-U19 SCCL
U13-U14 ATHENA
U15-U19 ATHENA
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 2, 2018 16:33:06 GMT -5
georgiasoccer411 I have to say that your comments are visibly biased and you truly can't back up most of what you spew. Yes I did use the word spew because I can find no other apropos word to use. I for one don't have a problem with folks disagreeing with my beliefs or my thought process. Folks can respectfully disagree about their experiences and pontificate about what or how things should or shouldn't be. However, when you make bold statements alluding to the fact that the Big 5 collectively took their ball and went home to sulk and from that came the Champions League... That's when I stop giving you the benefit of the doubt and write you off as nothing more than someone looking to throw fire bombs to rile people up and distort the facts. I am personally aware that the status quo wasn't working. The Big 5 asked, complained and pleaded with GA Soccer to do something to fix things and they didn't. So they took their collective bargaining power and chose another product. In this case SCCL. That doesn't change the status quo within the clubs. It's not the top teams (other than SSA) that are playing in the SCCL, those are left for DA/ECNL. IN MY OPINION the other clubs who will now have an easier passage to the RPL/NL will be happy at first, however, their opponents will soon come to realize that overall they are playing lesser inferior teams. They will wonder why the top clubs in Georgia/Atlanta are no longer playing and find some way to join in on the SCCL or go find more challenging opponents to play. It is after-all about developing your child by having them play equal or superior teams on a consistent basis. There were at least 4 additional clubs other than AFU that wanted in on the SCCL, but were declined. There are plans to expand to possibly 12 next year after all the kinks are worked out. So clearly it was something they saw as beneficial to their club and players. Tournaments like Disney are already licking their chops with the thought of knowing the level of players and teams that will be coming to their tournaments and are even lining up to give automatic bids to SCCL teams. Again these are facts that I know, not innuendo or third party hearsay. The bottom line is this. We live in America and as far as I can still tell, we ALL have choices. It's still the Pay 2 Play model. I know you might feel like a jilted date left at the Prom, however, you clearly have the option of taking your kid(s) to one of the Big 5 clubs and trying out. Or stay at your current club and continue with the status quo. Because what the Big 5 do, should have no bearing on what you or your club does. I wish you and your kids all the best of luck in whatever choice you make, but as for you I've chosen to ignore you going forward. FG Out! Lol on spew and your own bias You are right that we all have choices |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2018 16:51:00 GMT -5
Hey 411, man, you bit off more than you could chew didn't you Scooter? Seems to me you ARE spewing. If I didn't know any better I'd say you belonged to All-In/Roswell/Impact, or something along those lines because your grudge is BIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGG!!!!!
Futsal Gawdess has you pegged.
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 2, 2018 16:58:16 GMT -5
georgiasoccer411 I have to say that your comments are visibly biased and you truly can't back up most of what you spew. Yes I did use the word spew because I can find no other apropos word to use. I for one don't have a problem with folks disagreeing with my beliefs or my thought process. Folks can respectfully disagree about their experiences and pontificate about what or how things should or shouldn't be. However, when you make bold statements alluding to the fact that the Big 5 collectively took their ball and went home to sulk and from that came the Champions League... That's when I stop giving you the benefit of the doubt and write you off as nothing more than someone looking to throw fire bombs to rile people up and distort the facts. I am personally aware that the status quo wasn't working. The Big 5 asked, complained and pleaded with GA Soccer to do something to fix things and they didn't. So they took their collective bargaining power and chose another product. In this case SCCL. That doesn't change the status quo within the clubs. It's not the top teams (other than SSA) that are playing in the SCCL, those are left for DA/ECNL. IN MY OPINION the other clubs who will now have an easier passage to the RPL/NL will be happy at first, however, their opponents will soon come to realize that overall they are playing lesser inferior teams. They will wonder why the top clubs in Georgia/Atlanta are no longer playing and find some way to join in on the SCCL or go find more challenging opponents to play. It is after-all about developing your child by having them play equal or superior teams on a consistent basis. There were at least 4 additional clubs other than AFU that wanted in on the SCCL, but were declined. There are plans to expand to possibly 12 next year after all the kinks are worked out. So clearly it was something they saw as beneficial to their club and players. Tournaments like Disney are already licking their chops with the thought of knowing the level of players and teams that will be coming to their tournaments and are even lining up to give automatic bids to SCCL teams. Again these are facts that I know, not innuendo or third party hearsay. The bottom line is this. We live in America and as far as I can still tell, we ALL have choices. It's still the Pay 2 Play model. I know you might feel like a jilted date left at the Prom, however, you clearly have the option of taking your kid(s) to one of the Big 5 clubs and trying out. Or stay at your current club and continue with the status quo. Because what the Big 5 do, should have no bearing on what you or your club does. I wish you and your kids all the best of luck in whatever choice you make, but as for you I've chosen to ignore you going forward. FG Out! I am guessing that you must be high up in one of the Big 5 otherwise I find it sad that management at one or more of these organizations is sharing details about clubs they rejected. But while I am spewing let me ask you to help vet my assumptions. I don’t care about girls side but let me show you my assumption on next year’s SCCL based on previous post on what team level each club will be putting in. Here’s what I believe 2005 Boys SCCL will be: CF, Classic I GSA, Classic I (bottom) NTH, Classic I (bottom 1/3) SSA, Classic III (bottom) UFA, Classic III (bottom) Please feel free to correct my mistakes |
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 2, 2018 17:38:00 GMT -5
georgiasoccer411 I have to say that your comments are visibly biased and you truly can't back up most of what you spew. Yes I did use the word spew because I can find no other apropos word to use. I for one don't have a problem with folks disagreeing with my beliefs or my thought process. Folks can respectfully disagree about their experiences and pontificate about what or how things should or shouldn't be. However, when you make bold statements alluding to the fact that the Big 5 collectively took their ball and went home to sulk and from that came the Champions League... That's when I stop giving you the benefit of the doubt and write you off as nothing more than someone looking to throw fire bombs to rile people up and distort the facts. I am personally aware that the status quo wasn't working. The Big 5 asked, complained and pleaded with GA Soccer to do something to fix things and they didn't. So they took their collective bargaining power and chose another product. In this case SCCL. That doesn't change the status quo within the clubs. It's not the top teams (other than SSA) that are playing in the SCCL, those are left for DA/ECNL. IN MY OPINION the other clubs who will now have an easier passage to the RPL/NL will be happy at first, however, their opponents will soon come to realize that overall they are playing lesser inferior teams. They will wonder why the top clubs in Georgia/Atlanta are no longer playing and find some way to join in on the SCCL or go find more challenging opponents to play. It is after-all about developing your child by having them play equal or superior teams on a consistent basis. There were at least 4 additional clubs other than AFU that wanted in on the SCCL, but were declined. There are plans to expand to possibly 12 next year after all the kinks are worked out. So clearly it was something they saw as beneficial to their club and players. Tournaments like Disney are already licking their chops with the thought of knowing the level of players and teams that will be coming to their tournaments and are even lining up to give automatic bids to SCCL teams. Again these are facts that I know, not innuendo or third party hearsay. The bottom line is this. We live in America and as far as I can still tell, we ALL have choices. It's still the Pay 2 Play model. I know you might feel like a jilted date left at the Prom, however, you clearly have the option of taking your kid(s) to one of the Big 5 clubs and trying out. Or stay at your current club and continue with the status quo. Because what the Big 5 do, should have no bearing on what you or your club does. I wish you and your kids all the best of luck in whatever choice you make, but as for you I've chosen to ignore you going forward. FG Out! I am guessing that you must be high up in one of the Big 5 otherwise I find it sad that management at one or more of these organizations is sharing details about clubs they rejected. But while I am spewing let me ask you to help vet my assumptions. I don’t care about girls side but let me show you my assumption on next year’s SCCL based on previous post on what team level each club will be putting in. Here’s what I believe 2005 Boys SCCL will be: CF, Classic I GSA, Classic I (bottom) NTH, Classic I (bottom 1/3) SSA, Classic III (bottom) UFA, Classic III (bottom) Please feel free to correct my mistakes Well I am not Futsal Gawdess but since 05 boys Norcross Premier is in classic 1 there is mistake number 1. UFA is putting top Norcross team in SCCL, but even if they decided to put top Forsyth team there they are in classic 1 also. Also if you know which GSA location is getting SCCL you are in the know there as I have yet to hear if they are doing North or South for boys or girls. |
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 2, 2018 17:51:51 GMT -5
UFA said first team going to NPL but I must have missed Norcross
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Post by surgesoccer on May 2, 2018 17:57:51 GMT -5
UFA 05 Boys First team isn't going to NPL. Top team (excluding DA) at Forsyth is going to NPL and top team at Norcross is going to SCCL. Norcross beat Forsyth in Classic 1 game, but they are really evenly matched. That was decided because 05 DA is based out of Fowler. If DA were based out of Norcross then Forsyth would be SCCL and Norcross NPL.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 2, 2018 17:59:53 GMT -5
UFA said first team going to NPL but I must have missed Norcross The current plan is Norcross top team SCCL, top Forsyth team under DA (so Premier aka second team if u want to say that) will do NPL. Even if for some reason they decided to diss Norcross the next Forsyth team is red which is Classic 2 at that age group. You have to go to the 4th team (3rd team behind DA for those that prefer to look at it that way) to get a classic 3. Just FYI a higher up told me that just because they do the assignments this way this year it could change next year. I think they will reassess. BTW there are some states that have multiple levels in their "Premier" or "Champions" leagues. Who knows what will happen next year. |
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 2, 2018 18:10:19 GMT -5
Lol seems like this is a UFA forum but thank for the great clarification on UFA. Anyone from the other 5 post on here?
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Post by cleansheet on May 2, 2018 18:16:56 GMT -5
Lol seems like this is a UFA forum but thank for the great clarification on UFA. Anyone from the other 5 post on here? UFA has always been transparent first. CF last. |
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Post by petrcechitout on May 2, 2018 18:21:04 GMT -5
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 2, 2018 18:39:48 GMT -5
Lol seems like this is a UFA forum but thank for the great clarification on UFA. Anyone from the other 5 post on here? Well soccerfan30 is a Tophat coach from what I gather. LOL. It does seem like a lot of UFA people post here. Obviously, Spectator is not a big 5 person since she has stated many times that she isn't. 411, didn't you say you were AFU? Maybe I am confusing you with someone else. When I checked the thread about at what clubs people had kids playing UFA had the most votes. Maybe UFA is just the most vocal group?!? I am curious to hear a GSA person say what their plan is...and SSA too. Seems like Concorde could do the same as UFA and put some SCCL teams at the north location. Might stop the losses from that location... |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2018 18:46:42 GMT -5
I doubt 411 is an AFU guy......he hates AFU (yes, I'll stand up and at least admit that my family is AFU, before that GSA....I Like both clubs). It would almost appear that 411 may have a past connection to AFU??? Just sayin'  ? 411 , want to chime in and clarify? I did. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2018 18:47:49 GMT -5
Several good friends at UFA and like and respect them too
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