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Post by SoccerMom on May 2, 2018 22:14:09 GMT -5
I think I opened up a can of worms here. Oops! I had a bad experience with my kid at a club once and though it would take a lot to convince me to return even though we still have a lot of friends there I would definitely NOT have a vendetta against them. Not a can of worms but I will ask everyone here that we not stoop to bullying people into revealing anything more than what they are comfortable with revealing online. Not accusing anyone but please take a step back and realize this topic is something everyone is passionate about and not everyone is some kind of spy from whatever side you aren't on at the moment. This forum is transparent in the fact that it is regulated enough that you have to put some skin in the game and register. Lately it seems anyone new is subject to scrutiny - why? Because the cesspool of the other forum is now officially dead? I have revealed who I am and where we play to people here privately and no, I am not 100% transparent publicly because that's how I am in my real life. I don't give money over the phone, I don't give strangers rides and even though I've been on this forum for years, no, I don't reveal every single detail of my life. You all know I'm at a smaller club, my kid is about to go play in college, she had a serious injury a few years ago and I am every grateful for those people here who, even though they didn't 'know' me, messaged me with well wishes and inquires as to how she was doing. I have tried to reciprocate in kind when people post about an injury or issue. My hope as we (me and my kid) age out of this craziness, is that you all will do the same. Reveal what you are comfortable with and reach out to help if you can. At the end of the day, we are all parents who just love our kids and want them to be happy. As for 'vendettas' all of us have had good/bad/indifferent experiences over the many years we've been on this crazy journey. My kid has played at both small and big clubs. She's had good and bad coaches - and guess what, the size of the club had zero to do with how exceptional or horrific the coach was. I've said over and over that level and club are secondary to a good coach. If you have one of those, hold fast and tight and stay where you are because in the long run, that coach will benefit your player so much more than whatever the "L' the level is. I do honestly sincerely feel anyone left in this crazy stuff. I am still not convinced anyone in power at a club or league has the best interests of the players in mind when they force these changes on us. But yeah, even coming from mean old me, please try to stay focused on the players and the bonds you have with like people (aka parents of players). This forum has been a great source of support and information for me. Come this summer, unless someone creates a sub board for college parents, I'm outta here - and yes, I will miss you - even those I disagreed with - because disagreement isn't negative - it's an opportunity to learn something new. And because we did have some skin in the game by having that recognizable user name or avatar, we did get to 'know' each other as much as we'd allow it. And you all taught me, schooled me, and made me see different sides of every situation. Breathe - who really cares who is where - we're all here. Relish it! I think a college soccer sub board would be great. I'll miss you too 😉 |
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Post by SoccerMom on May 2, 2018 22:17:35 GMT -5
Soccer Mom you very well know that the big 5 clubs in SRPL got in from there DA or ECNL clubs performance. That is why they get beat up in SRPL. Sorry to call you out. My daughter's old SRPL did not get beat up at all, in fact they won the whole thing. |
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Post by soccerdaddy on May 2, 2018 22:20:03 GMT -5
Soccer Mom you very well know that the big 5 clubs in SRPL got in from there DA or ECNL clubs performance. That is why they get beat up in SRPL. Sorry to call you out. I think their best players choose to play in DA and ECNL. Most of the same players were the ones that would of been playing SRPL and that’s why the club got beat up. The spots for SRPL were earned but the better players will play DA and ECNL. Do you blame the parents and players for wanting to be in DA/ECNL? Be upset at the club not the Mom or Dad who just like you are proud of their children. |
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Post by soccerfan30 on May 2, 2018 22:55:56 GMT -5
I'm not sure how some people can say that SCCL is weak and third and fourth level teams will not fare well. Most 3rd or 4th teams at the big 5 clubs would beat most of the top teams at other clubs in the metro area. Our fourth team at NTH beat AFU Elite (2nd team) fall and spring. Clubs off the top of my head in the area outside of the big 5: Roswell, Cherokee, Ambush, Inter Atlanta, DDY, etc for the most part the 3rd and 4th teams at the big 5 clubs are better, at least on the girls side. So they could play Athena A against some of these teams or play better competition in SCCL.
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Post by rifle on May 3, 2018 6:27:14 GMT -5
Soccer mom with the big five moving out of SRPL means the worst teams will be leaving the lrague and I can only assume that the teams replacing them will be better. I have more concern for the North Carolins teams but none of them were in my daughters league. If the new teams coming in are better than the ones leaving...then why weren't they there to begin with? 🤔 Because pay-to-play soccer is a tree and not a pyramid, ie. it is a clusterfack. And it's only getting worse. |
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 3, 2018 6:38:33 GMT -5
I'm not sure how some people can say that SCCL is weak and third and fourth level teams will not fare well. Most 3rd or 4th teams at the big 5 clubs would beat most of the top teams at other clubs in the metro area. Our fourth team at NTH beat AFU Elite (2nd team) fall and spring. Clubs off the top of my head in the area outside of the big 5: Roswell, Cherokee, Ambush, Inter Atlanta, DDY, etc for the most part the 3rd and 4th teams at the big 5 clubs are better, at least on the girls side. So they could play Athena A against some of these teams or play better competition in SCCL. You may have a valid argument but on the boys side that’s not true at all. U13 boys, outside of the Pre-ECNL teams, the rest of the Big 5 Boys teams are mostly weak compared to teams from Athens, Roswell, Rush, Inter, KSA, Storm, MOBA, and Steamers. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2018 6:39:44 GMT -5
Concerning AFU:
stay tuned....................................................
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 3, 2018 6:59:11 GMT -5
Next year when AFU, CF, NTH, and GSA remove teams for ECNL, the talent level left from the majority of Big clubs will be very weak. Then pull out a layer of teams for SCCL and I doubt many Big 5 Boys teams will even be considered relevant to the remaining higher level boys teams.
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 3, 2018 7:09:39 GMT -5
Now here’s why I personally think this move by the Big 5 was not well thought out, b/c they are losing recruitment power.
My older son tried out for a Big 5 ECNL and did not make it, but they offered him a spot on their next level RPL team and we stayed. He graduated now but what was attractive back then was the dominance of that club.
Now with my younger son we would not stay for anything less than ECNL. My wife and I look at the competition now and there are a dozen clubs with first teams that are better than the Big 5’s 2nd teams.
Fast forward a couple more years when the Big 5 are pulling out teams for DA, ECNL and SCCL I do not think very many will ever think about going to the Big 5 and leaving their local top team.
That, in my opinion, is the very flawed thinking of the Big 5 leadership. They’ve spent a few decades dominating the local leagues and now the only thing the rest of us in small and medium clubs are ever going to see from them is weak teams. From a recruiting stand point this, I believe, will be their own undoing.
If it’s true that the little clubs are no longer going to go to their tournaments then there’s very little opportunity for the Big 5 to leverage their top teams to help recruit from all the little guys.
I’m not a DOC but my low light bulb brain thinks this was an epic blunder.
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Post by surgesoccer on May 3, 2018 7:33:36 GMT -5
Since GA Rush is on top in u13 B Classic 1 let's look at how they have done against the top 3 from the Big 5 (UFA Fowler, UFA Norcross and Concorde Central)
GA Rush Vs UFA Norcross:
Fall: Tied 2-2
Spring Tournament: Lost 3-1
Spring Season: Won 1-0
GA Rush Vs UFA Fowler:
Fall: Did not play
Spring: Lost 2-1
GA Rush Vs Concorde:
Fall: Don't remember but I think GA Rush won
Spring Tournament: Lost 2-1
Spring: Won 4-3
GA Rush has gone 3-3-1. So while they may be on top of the table the top 3 in the big 5 have been able to compete equally with the team currently in first place. The bottom half relevant to SCCL (NASA, SSA, GSA) have been weak. Those teams have to improve.
If you look at UFA Fowler and UFA Norcross, DA had a significant impact:
Fowler lost about 90% of their team to DA. Two players to Atlanta United, and the rest to DA. Nobody in U12 could touch that team last year.
Norcross lost 1 player to Atlanta United, and 3 players to the DA team
If any of the smaller club teams lost 25% of their team they would easily drop to the bottom of the standings. Tryouts and where kids choose to play this year will determine how competitive the SCCL is and how competitive the smaller clubs remain
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2018 7:43:17 GMT -5
Now here’s why I personally think this move by the Big 5 was not well thought out, b/c they are losing recruitment power. My older son tried out for a Big 5 ECNL and did not make it, but they offered him a spot on their next level RPL team and we stayed. He graduated now but what was attractive back then was the dominance of that club. Now with my younger son we would not stay for anything less than ECNL. My wife and I look at the competition now and there are a dozen clubs with first teams that are better than the Big 5’s 2nd teams. Fast forward a couple more years when the Big 5 are pulling out teams for DA, ECNL and SCCL I do not think very many will ever think about going to the Big 5 and leaving their local top team. That, in my opinion, is the very flawed thinking of the Big 5 leadership. They’ve spent a few decades dominating the local leagues and now the only thing the rest of us in small and medium clubs are ever going to see from them is weak teams. From a recruiting stand point this, I believe, will be their own undoing. If it’s true that the little clubs are no longer going to go to their tournaments then there’s very little opportunity for the Big 5 to leverage their top teams to help recruit from all the little guys. I’m not a DOC but my low light bulb brain thinks this was an epic blunder. |
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 3, 2018 7:47:12 GMT -5
Since GA Rush is on top in u13 B Classic 1 let's look at how they have done against the top 3 from the Big 5 (UFA Fowler, UFA Norcross and Concorde Central) GA Rush Vs UFA Norcross: Fall: Tied 2-2 Spring Tournament: Lost 3-1 Spring Season: Won 1-0 GA Rush Vs UFA Fowler: Fall: Did not play Spring: Lost 2-1 GA Rush Vs Concorde: Fall: Don't remember but I think GA Rush won Spring Tournament: Lost 2-1 Spring: Won 4-3 GA Rush has gone 3-3-1. So while they may be on top of the table the top 3 in the big 5 have been able to compete equally with the team currently in first place. The bottom half relevant to SCCL (NASA, SSA, GSA) have been weak. Those teams have to improve. If you look at UFA Fowler and UFA Norcross, DA had a significant impact: Fowler lost about 90% of their team to DA. Two players to Atlanta United, and the rest to DA. Nobody in U12 could touch that team last year. Norcross lost 1 player to Atlanta United, and 3 players to the DA team If any of the smaller club teams lost 25% of their team they would easily drop to the bottom of the standings. Tryouts and where kids choose to play this year will determine how competitive the SCCL is and how competitive the smaller clubs remain Yes and that’s how recruiting by big clubs works. But how well will recruiting work when that next layer of teams is pulled out and my Rush no longer loses to any Big 5. LMAO I’m sorry but to my little low watt brain that just seems like someone high up at Big 5 wasn’t thinking. Kind of like deciding to buy a Porsche but not thinking about insurance and maintenance costs. Time will obviously be the ultimate judge but I will be intrigued to see if this SCCL doesn’t simply kill the Big 5s Golden Goose. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2018 7:47:46 GMT -5
I kinda agree with your thoughts here.
1. Big 5 peeps keep saying AFU was kicked out. We can turn it around: the other 39 clubs voted the Big 5 out.
2. Now, when the Big 5 at some point tries to overturn the ruling , they will realize they will be stuck 100% with what they chose on their own.
The grass is not always greener.
As soon as the ink dries, and the structure is in place, I will happily pop back on here and say those four words people hate to hear:
I...........TOLD.....................YOU...................SO.......................
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by infoguy on May 3, 2018 7:51:54 GMT -5
It’s interesting that NPL is left out of a lot of posts, which I think is important to discuss when sizing up competitiveness of SCCL teams. Unless someone has heard that their club is pulling out of NPL and moving to SCCL? I don’t think that’s the case at SSA - currently, NPL teams that perform well can play ECNL teams in the ENPL playoffs.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2018 7:59:06 GMT -5
That SSA 05 RPL team would beat most ECNL teams in this part of the country.
They are good.
Learned that the hard way LOL
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 3, 2018 7:59:17 GMT -5
I kinda agree with your thoughts here. 1. Big 5 peeps keep saying AFU was kicked out. We can turn it around: the other 39 clubs voted the Big 5 out. 2. Now, when the Big 5 at some point tries to overturn the ruling , they will realize they will be stuck 100% with what they chose on their own. The grass is not always greener. As soon as the ink dries, and the structure is in place, I will happily pop back on here and say those four words people hate to hear: I...........TOLD.....................YOU...................SO....................... WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have been told by someone I believe as a reliable source that even if the current ruling is overturned that Georgia Soccer has been given language to use for the next ruling that will not be overturned. So one way or another this is happening. Back to my waxing and spewing: Back in the day with older son’s team, what made the move to the Big 5 attractive was we lost to Big 5 second team and we knew we had lost to a second team. Back then clubs like Concorde were dominate. They had DA and I think Concorde had an RPL team in every single boys age group and National League Boys teams. Now what? I don’t see any good Concorde teams because we never play their DA or ECNL. Remove another one of their teams for SCCL and my youngest son’s team will never play a strong Concorde team at least not strong and dominant like my older son’s generation of Concorde teams. Killing the Golden Goose. Say goodbye to the haydays of rampant recruiting. |
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 3, 2018 8:05:02 GMT -5
That SSA 05 RPL team would beat most ECNL teams in this part of the country. They are good. Learned that the hard way LOL Lol more girls parents on this forum. I looked them up and agree they look very strong based on their results. Will they move to Tophat to play DA/ECNL or stay at SSA and play NPL? |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2018 8:06:48 GMT -5
That SSA 05 RPL team would beat most ECNL teams in this part of the country. They are good. Learned that the hard way LOL Lol more girls parents on this forum. I looked them up and agree they look very strong based on their results. Will they move to Tophat to play DA/ECNL or stay at SSA and play NPL? |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2018 8:07:36 GMT -5
More girl parents? At least girls don't flop....................unless they play for AFC or LSA
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
WHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWW!
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 3, 2018 8:13:39 GMT -5
More girl parents? At least girls don't flop....................unless they play for AFC or LSA hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah WHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWW! Speaking of AFC, what has happened to them? With my older son they were always a power. Now you never see good young AFC Boys teams. I know they have young DA but it is killing their future. What made AFC great back in the day was massive recruiting power from all over the South side. How can you recruit players now to AFC when all your state league teams are relatively weak. Not a good game plan. |
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Post by petrcechitout on May 3, 2018 8:18:12 GMT -5
I don't think the Big 5 will be dropping ECNL but it is possible that some of the Big 5 drop DA in the future. That is already happening around the country with large clubs dropping DA in favor of ECNL. In addition, other states are creating similar leagues to the SCCL, which would lead to those leagues potentially joining together and developing a quality league just below ECNL. Not every clubs will have DA Teams but smaller clubs could have quality ECNL Teams and quality SCCL Teams, if they are invited to join in the future. I believe they created this league to reduce travel because Atlanta teams were traveling to places like Savannah for 1 game and the competition wasn't as good as it is locally (and by locally, I mean that includes the smaller clubs who do have some better teams as well).
Believe it or not, some kids and the parents don't like the travel, since they have no preconceived notions they will ever play in college (even at the ECNL level). Kids today prefer to go to a quality large University for the education over a partial scholarship to a small Division II/III or NAIA school from what I have seen.
As the saying goes, “It will all come out in the Wash”
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Post by petrcechitout on May 3, 2018 8:21:17 GMT -5
That SSA 05 RPL team would beat most ECNL teams in this part of the country. They are good. Learned that the hard way LOL The SSA 05 RPL Team is very good but will they stay together now?  |
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 3, 2018 8:21:29 GMT -5
More girl parents? At least girls don't flop....................unless they play for AFC or LSA hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah WHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWW! Speaking of AFC, what has happened to them? With my older son they were always a power. Now you never see good young AFC Boys teams. I know they have young DA but it is killing their future. What made AFC great back in the day was massive recruiting power from all over the South side. How can you recruit players now to AFC when all your state league teams are relatively weak. Not a good game plan. Sorry to quote myself but had to go and look up AFC 2005s. And best team, and only team, is a whopping Classic III. LMAO :boom: |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2018 8:25:11 GMT -5
That SSA 05 RPL team would beat most ECNL teams in this part of the country. They are good. Learned that the hard way LOL The SSA 05 RPL Team is very good but will they stay together now? |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2018 8:27:42 GMT -5
That remains to be seen. But I don't know why any of them would leave. They get plenty of publicity. They will have no problem getting the top half of those girls scholarships. And they would beat most of the higher teams any of those girls would go play for.
If I were them I'd stay pat. But each has to make her own decision.
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 3, 2018 8:38:50 GMT -5
That remains to be seen. But I don't know why any of them would leave. They get plenty of publicity. They will have no problem getting the top half of those girls scholarships. And they would beat most of the higher teams any of those girls would go play for. If I were them I'd stay pat. But each has to make her own decision. Stay to play US Club NPL rather than to move to USSF DA or US Club ECNL. Lol huh. I’m sorry but that’s a bad plan. Glad it’s not my problem  |
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 3, 2018 8:48:11 GMT -5
Compare that SSA 05 girls predicament vs our Rush 04 girls. I don’t have a dog in the girls side but I would much rather have the Rush position. Our girls are National League. They can and have beaten 04 Girls DA teams.
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 3, 2018 8:57:52 GMT -5
Lol seems like this is a UFA forum but thank for the great clarification on UFA. Anyone from the other 5 post on here? UFA has always been transparent first. CF last. Ummmmm... your experience is that they have been transparent. Mine, very much the opposite. Just saying, nobody on here should paint with that broad of a brush. |
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Post by infoguy on May 3, 2018 9:02:04 GMT -5
That remains to be seen. But I don't know why any of them would leave. They get plenty of publicity. They will have no problem getting the top half of those girls scholarships. And they would beat most of the higher teams any of those girls would go play for. If I were them I'd stay pat. But each has to make her own decision. Stay to play US Club NPL rather than to move to USSF DA or US Club ECNL. Lol huh. I’m sorry but that’s a bad plan. Glad it’s not my problem For me, there’s not much evidence out there to say that playing NPL vs ECNL is not a good idea. AFC Lightening at my son’s age, 01, beat the AU 16s recently... |
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 3, 2018 9:02:18 GMT -5
Compare that SSA 05 girls predicament vs our Rush 04 girls. I don’t have a dog in the girls side but I would much rather have the Rush position. Our girls are National League. They can and have beaten 04 Girls DA teams. How is that possible when DA cannot play anyone else? Oh. Wait. You PROBABLY mean you beat the top 04 team at UFA or NTH or CF last year. Is that right? Please remember that teams that are DA are not carbon copies of Last year's top team in that age group. Sometimes there may be only a few changes and sometimes there are a lot. The girls 03 UFA team for DA has 11 players that were on 03 premier last year and 7 new players I believe. Also teams do change and improve under new coaching even WITH the same personnel. This is NOT to take anything away from Georgia Rush 04 girls team. They look like a pretty strong team. They are to be congratulated for what they have accomplished. Same for the SSA 05 girls teams. Both teams are powerhouses or were. We will have to wait and see if that changes. The current soccer landscape is changing so quickly there is NO WAY to predict what is going to happen in one year or two. I think everyone is trying to do what is best for their children and it is hard to do without a crystal ball. No one knows how this will change the landscape. We can only guess. The SCCL is a big change but so is expanding NPL which has gotten a little lost in this discussion a bit as someone else has mentioned. |
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