Post by Soccerhouse on May 9, 2018 13:51:31 GMT -5
All I'll say is -- I feel Norcross's pain for sure.
I don't think its appropriate to have a pre-determined hierarchy structure based upon location. Maybe NPL and SCCL in their eyes is equivalent, if that's the case the pyramid should be fixed to indicate that. Is it a big deal, probably not, its a perception problem though and you would want all other clubs treating it the same way, you would want consistency across clubs that have both NPL and SCCL.
Recovering Norcross parent here, but have not been at the club for a few years.
UFA did not end up being great for Norcross obviously, but, at least on the girl's side, I do not think UFA merger itself was the major factor for the club's deterioration. I have expressed my feelings on this previously. I will not repeat specifics (Futsal Gawdess yelled at me before and now I am intimidated!) other than to say one of my kids went from the best to the worst coach she has ever had within the same season. The coaching and management issues across the board during that stretch ended up being a real blow from which Norcross may be still trying to recover. There was a significant exodus of players that had a real impact.
Obviously Norcross is not represented very much here.
I don't think they are as many on here. Most of the folks I know of on the forum from UFA are from the fowler location. We used to be there when they were NSA Fury, so we still have friends there we see from time to time.
Last Edit: May 9, 2018 18:22:55 GMT -5 by Futsal Gawdess
All I'll say is -- I feel Norcross's pain for sure.
I don't think its appropriate to have a pre-determined hierarchy structure based upon location. Maybe NPL and SCCL in their eyes is equivalent, if that's the case the pyramid should be fixed to indicate that. Is it a big deal, probably not, its a perception problem though and you would want all other clubs treating it the same way, you would want consistency across clubs that have both NPL and SCCL.
What about UFA milton? or UFA mountains?
UFA should work on shoring up Norcross. If nothing else it acts as a firewall against the AFUs, CFs, GSAs and any other club looking to first encroach on Norcross and move up to South Forsyth.
Post by soccergurl on May 10, 2018 14:23:50 GMT -5
We are considering UFA, are they really making a super team of Fowler and Norcross or is that what you think is going to happen? I ask because isn't the npl team higher than the sccl team? I saw a pyramid about that? thanks
Post by surgesoccer on May 10, 2018 21:36:22 GMT -5
Per pyramid Forsyth's NPL is higher than Norcross's SCCL. Doesn't mean the better team is in NPL just means in the pecking order DA is UFA's first team. Forsyth is the second team. And Norcross is the third. Everyone else is fourth and on. Doesn't matter the record or anything because the Pyramid Don't Lie.
Per pyramid Forsyth's NPL is higher than Norcross's SCCL. Doesn't mean the better team is in NPL just means in the pecking order DA is UFA's first team. Forsyth is the second team. And Norcross is the third. Everyone else is fourth and on. Doesn't matter the record or anything because the Pyramid Don't Lie.
Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 11, 2018 1:32:39 GMT -5
I have heard a few Norcross parents have reached out to the leadership about the new league. Big oversight to not have scheduled one prior. Doubt it will make any changes, like surgesoccer has coined TPDL
I have heard a few Norcross parents have reached out to the leadership about the new league. Big oversight to not have scheduled one prior. Doubt it will make any changes, like surgesoccer has coined TPDL
Frankly it is a big oversight for all of the clubs who have not reached out or been clear on their plans for this league and NPL
I have heard a few Norcross parents have reached out to the leadership about the new league. Big oversight to not have scheduled one prior. Doubt it will make any changes, like surgesoccer has coined TPDL
Frankly it is a big oversight for all of the clubs who have not reached out or been clear on their plans for this league and NPL
Based upon their webpage, it does look like SCCL and NPL have different player pathways. If i'm not mistaken the current NPL has some pathway to the Boys ECNL finals, but haven't looked at it closely enough to see if the current 2017-2018 teams are going to some post season ECNL championship. Again, this is why the boys and girls graphics differ, this is not the case for the girls, where there is no girls ECNL pathway through NPL.
Who knows what the national cup is on the SCCL side, something similar to the presidents cup maybe.
US club is also at fault here, they have too many leagues in their own player pathway and each state region seems to be doing whatever they want.
Again historically speaking, other states might be using their new SCCL like leagues, the way local clubs used NPL in the past - it was secondary league to get extra games in , mostly during the winter, while teams still competed in RPL or classic/athena ball.
Maybe SCCL and NPL are equivalent, who knows because they are brand new and somewhat made up leagues. Obviously the pyramid alludes to a hierarchy structure. TPDL
On paper given the boys ecnl player pathway, NPL does appear to be superior to SCCL. Therefore, slots would need to be given based upon 1 of 3 options: A) the better team B) combined teams across all locations C) the way they are planning to do it now, and just concede Norcross is an inferior location
Are the Norcross and Forsyth tryouts at the same time?
Last Edit: May 11, 2018 8:21:46 GMT -5 by Soccerhouse
Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 11, 2018 8:58:12 GMT -5
I believe the Norcross location is earlier, because I've heard from some who are looking to send their kids to both(back to back). Poor kids better eat their Wheaties.
I believe the Norcross location is earlier, because I've heard from some who are looking to send their kids to both(back to back). Poor kids better eat their Wheaties.
Very true. It is very hard to do that...put your full effort in for 3 whole hours 3 days in a row!
Post by greenmonkey on May 13, 2018 16:32:44 GMT -5
Looking to the future can someone at the Norcross townhall meeting ask the hypothetical question.
Why location based and not team based? What if a Norcross SCCL is more successful than a Forsyth RPL team? Is there an open minded opportunity for team based Premier versus SCCL in the future or is the executive decision ultimately that of location, location, location ?
Post by surgesoccer on May 13, 2018 19:30:58 GMT -5
It's location, location, location. In our age group Norcross went 2-0 against Fowler this year in a full scrimmage and a game. That being said, Fowler has really started to play some good soccer and has positioned themselves to finish on top in Classic 1. They are more consistent than Norcross, but Norcross just seems to match up well against them.
Funny enough, KSA has a chance to tie for the lead if they beat Norcross. But it will not actually be the KSA team playing the final game. Instead it seems that all Spring season KSA has brought in players from the GA Storm RPL team in order to finish higher in the standings and use this to recruit.'
If you look at the scoring statistics, KSA has scored 40 goals in the spring. Their top goal scorer though only shows 3 goals. Plus they list 38 players on their roster. It seems that it is not illegal for GA Storm players to guest play with KSA since the clubs are affiliated and RPL is considered a different league than Classic 1. It helps figuring this all out when the u13 boys age coordinator is associated with GA Storm and KSA.
Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 13, 2018 19:40:31 GMT -5
A few years ago, before the age mandate and when the merger was still new and UFA was trying to act as one club with multiple locations, the leadership chose to bring the 2003/2004 boys together from Fowler and Norcross. They practiced out of South Forsyth and that team went on to produce some of the best team and individual results. I believe 8 members of that team ended up on the AU 2003 and 2004 teams. Why can't UFA chose to do the same from DA, NPL and CL since they are single club teams?
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