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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 13, 2018 19:43:06 GMT -5
Looking to the future can someone at the Norcross townhall meeting ask the hypothetical question. Why location based and not team based? What if a Norcross SCCL is more successful than a Forsyth RPL team? Is there an open minded opportunity for team based Premier versus SCCL in the future or is the executive decision ultimately that of location, location, location ? I thought I read or heard from someone that this may be a US Club Soccer rule or thing. You can't have NPL and SCCL run out of the same location. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 13, 2018 19:59:28 GMT -5
TPDL
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Post by SoccerMom on May 13, 2018 21:09:54 GMT -5
Looking to the future can someone at the Norcross townhall meeting ask the hypothetical question. Why location based and not team based? What if a Norcross SCCL is more successful than a Forsyth RPL team? Is there an open minded opportunity for team based Premier versus SCCL in the future or is the executive decision ultimately that of location, location, location ? I thought I read or heard from someone that this may be a US Club Soccer rule or thing. You can't have NPL and SCCL run out of the same location. I don't know if a rule or not. Forsyth location will have one SCCL team. |
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Post by infoguy on May 14, 2018 8:44:15 GMT -5
Looking to the future can someone at the Norcross townhall meeting ask the hypothetical question. Why location based and not team based? What if a Norcross SCCL is more successful than a Forsyth RPL team? Is there an open minded opportunity for team based Premier versus SCCL in the future or is the executive decision ultimately that of location, location, location ? I thought I read or heard from someone that this may be a US Club Soccer rule or thing. You can't have NPL and SCCL run out of the same location. At SSA townhall, the message was that the first team is NPL and second team is SCCL. There was no mention of a location rule. |
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Post by atv on May 14, 2018 16:35:12 GMT -5
It's location, location, location. In our age group Norcross went 2-0 against Fowler this year in a full scrimmage and a game. That being said, Fowler has really started to play some good soccer and has positioned themselves to finish on top in Classic 1. They are more consistent than Norcross, but Norcross just seems to match up well against them. Funny enough, KSA has a chance to tie for the lead if they beat Norcross. But it will not actually be the KSA team playing the final game. Instead it seems that all Spring season KSA has brought in players from the GA Storm RPL team in order to finish higher in the standings and use this to recruit.' If you look at the scoring statistics, KSA has scored 40 goals in the spring. Their top goal scorer though only shows 3 goals. Plus they list 38 players on their roster. It seems that it is not illegal for GA Storm players to guest play with KSA since the clubs are affiliated and RPL is considered a different league than Classic 1. It helps figuring this all out when the u13 boys age coordinator is associated with GA Storm and KSA. [ KSA/ Storm are up to a lot of tricky stuff with their new alliance. Rumor has it they are also playing much older in age players down. Not cool ] |
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Post by onemoresoccermom on May 14, 2018 17:19:25 GMT -5
I thought I read or heard from someone that this may be a US Club Soccer rule or thing. You can't have NPL and SCCL run out of the same location. I don't know if a rule or not. Forsyth location will have one SCCL team. Just one? Do you know why by chance? |
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Post by SoccerMom on May 14, 2018 17:24:24 GMT -5
I don't know if a rule or not. Forsyth location will have one SCCL team. Just one? Do you know why by chance? That particular team, Norcross doesn't have that age group. Next year depending on how teams do, things will change |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 14, 2018 17:43:08 GMT -5
I also hear Dan Dawson will be in charge of SCCL at Norcross?
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 14, 2018 17:50:21 GMT -5
Dans a good dude. Good too see him continuing to take a larger role within the club. Every year he seems to get more responsibility
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 14, 2018 17:58:35 GMT -5
No way in hell TA would have agreed to this if he was still around. Or the board that was conveniently disbanded upon the merger. You must have read my mind. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 14, 2018 17:59:51 GMT -5
Dans a good dude. Good too see him continuing to take a larger role within the club. Every year he seems to get more responsibility Best thing that ever happened to Dan the man is him settling down and getting married. It has grounded him into putting down roots. |
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Post by soccerdad23 on May 14, 2018 20:22:04 GMT -5
It's location, location, location. In our age group Norcross went 2-0 against Fowler this year in a full scrimmage and a game. That being said, Fowler has really started to play some good soccer and has positioned themselves to finish on top in Classic 1. They are more consistent than Norcross, but Norcross just seems to match up well against them. Funny enough, KSA has a chance to tie for the lead if they beat Norcross. But it will not actually be the KSA team playing the final game. Instead it seems that all Spring season KSA has brought in players from the GA Storm RPL team in order to finish higher in the standings and use this to recruit.' If you look at the scoring statistics, KSA has scored 40 goals in the spring. Their top goal scorer though only shows 3 goals. Plus they list 38 players on their roster. It seems that it is not illegal for GA Storm players to guest play with KSA since the clubs are affiliated and RPL is considered a different league than Classic 1. It helps figuring this all out when the u13 boys age coordinator is associated with GA Storm and KSA. [KSA/ Storm are up to a lot of tricky stuff with their new alliance. Rumor has it they are also playing much older in age players down. Not cool ] I believe this to be 100% true as well - a)shady stuff between GA Storm/KSA + b)older players playing down. Real question - what triggers some oversight for club actions like this? |
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Post by onemoresoccermom on May 14, 2018 21:44:57 GMT -5
Just one? Do you know why by chance? That particular team, Norcross doesn't have that age group. Next year depending on how teams do, things will change UFA did seem to give themselves a bit of leeway with "The SCCL will mainly run out of our Norcross branch ..." (bold is mine) ( link) The second part of that sentence, "... and will consist of the Norcross Premier Teams." is interesting though. It will be curious to see what happens in the age groups where the Red team at Forsyth (behind DA and NPL/Premier) finished at a higher level than the Premier team at Norcross. Does the SCCL spot go to Norcross anyway? And by that same token, why should a Forsyth Premier team get an NPL spot if there is a higher ranked Norcross Premier team? This is where a strict location based assignment doesn't make a whole lot of sense. The higher ranked team should arguably get the higher ranked spot. Is that what may change next year? Do we know yet if any of the other SCCL clubs are separating locations for their NPL and SCCL teams? (I have been reading these threads but have sort of lost track!) |
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Post by atv on May 16, 2018 7:08:43 GMT -5
[KSA/ Storm are up to a lot of tricky stuff with their new alliance. Rumor has it they are also playing much older in age players down. Not cool ] I believe this to be 100% true as well - a)shady stuff between GA Storm/KSA + b)older players playing down. Real question - what triggers some oversight for club actions like this? Unfortunately, if there is no system in place to provide oversight and significant consequences, then some clubs will figure out ways to cheat the system. Playing ineligible players and committing “age fraud” to win and promote their product. |
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Post by bluefedora on May 17, 2018 6:45:42 GMT -5
Since AFU will be in the new NL out of the Piedmont Conference, it could be a great option for kids who are confused with the SCCL.
1. Remember, Big 5 clubs who enter state cup cannot advance to NL even if they win.
2. Remember, Big 5 clubs playing in Athena cannot promote to NL>
3. With the snowball effect of CF losing DA, and TH will choose between DA and ECNL the following year, some great players may filter down through ECNL clubs and in turn, down into Athena A clubs.
4. It's better to be the 2nd team club at AFU and play in the NL and dominate that, getting to the Nationals, than to be the 3-4th team for a Big 6 club and have no chance to get into a national program.
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Post by surgesoccer on May 17, 2018 7:28:15 GMT -5
Since AFU will be in the new NL out of the Piedmont Conference, it could be a great option for kids who are confused with the SCCL. 1. Remember, Big 5 clubs who enter state cup cannot advance to NL even if they win. 2. Remember, Big 5 clubs playing in Athena cannot promote to NL> 3. With the snowball effect of CF losing DA, and TH will choose between DA and ECNL the following year, some great players may filter down through ECNL clubs and in turn, down into Athena A clubs. 4. It's better to be the 2nd team club at AFU and play in the NL and dominate that, getting to the Nationals, than to be the 3-4th team for a Big 6 club and have no chance to get into a national program. Not quite true in regards to national events. NPL has access to same national tournaments that ECNL teams do. PL (SCCL League in Atlanta) has plans for State events, regional events and a National event. "In addition to competing for league championships, qualifiers from each Premier League will meet for a Regional Premier Leagues Championship in future years, eventually culminating in a Premier Leagues national championship event. Qualification paths will be based on the number of leagues, regional travel logistics and calendar considerations. Among the benefits to Premier Leagues is integration into US Club Soccer’s id2 Program and Player Development Programs, to allow opportunities for selected players to participate in these Olympic Development Program-sanctioned programs." |
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Post by bluefedora on May 17, 2018 7:38:29 GMT -5
Good points. I'm just saying for those Big 5 teams who are in Athena A, they will compete all year for no chance to advance. They could instead play for a team like AFU who is already qualified into NL at the 05 and the 02 ages (I believe the 02's are too)....and play for a club that also carries ECNL.
You can play for AFU on a strong NL team and always be asked to play up with ECNL.
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Post by bluefedora on May 17, 2018 7:42:02 GMT -5
Scroll to the bottom. These are the teams so far announced into NL from AFU: www.atlantaunitedsoccer.com/Default.aspx?tabid=347797Also there is a travel break: 1. When a Ga or Alabama team has to travel to NC to play them, they agreement is to meet at CESA in Greenville. There are benefits to SCCL/NPL/etc......but there are also benefits to Piedmont/NL........ |
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Post by bluefedora on May 17, 2018 7:42:50 GMT -5
AFU does a great job of allowing the best players from their current Athena A/Classic I teams to get experience with their ECNL teams........
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Post by soccermaxx72 on May 17, 2018 7:46:36 GMT -5
Good points. I'm just saying for those Big 5 teams who are in Athena A, they will compete all year for no chance to advance. They could instead play for a team like AFU who is already qualified into NL at the 05 and the 02 ages (I believe the 02's are too)....and play for a club that also carries ECNL. You can play for AFU on a strong NL team and always be asked to play up with ECNL. Would you like to clarify how Atlanta Fire 05 has qualified for NL when they are 7th in Athena A spring, what did they accomplish? |
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Post by soccermaxx72 on May 17, 2018 7:47:46 GMT -5
Good points. I'm just saying for those Big 5 teams who are in Athena A, they will compete all year for no chance to advance. They could instead play for a team like AFU who is already qualified into NL at the 05 and the 02 ages (I believe the 02's are too)....and play for a club that also carries ECNL. You can play for AFU on a strong NL team and always be asked to play up with ECNL. Fishing 7th in Athena A spring is not a strong NL team, if they even politic there way into a NL spot. |
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Post by bluefedora on May 17, 2018 8:05:02 GMT -5
Look at the top 4 finishers in Athena A: they did not lose to ANY of them. They lost 3 games when they had a run of bad luck...........a broken arm, flue, 2 concussions and shoulder separation....... They beat the 06 CF team 1-0....true, their coach was red carded but that came late.....they could have played that game for 6 hours and CF was not going to score on that AFU team. They tied Roswell 0-0--again, great defense. They tied a good AFC team. That team had a small roster and when the fluke injuries hit, they had no depth. You think they shmoozed in to NL? Wrong. It is a team who will be adding players from SCCL clubs who don't want to have to figure out which of their club locations are SCCL/NPL/Athena A, etc.......You don't think CF and TH have politicked their way around the scene for years?  Give me a break. It's just less confusing right now than US Club Soccer---IMHO. I admit I could be wrong, but I feel NL will be better than the Big 5 clubs playing the same few teams over and over and over................... |
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Post by bluefedora on May 17, 2018 8:07:43 GMT -5
And the new SCCL team from UFA Norcross-AFU tied them 1-1.............while missing 3 starters.
You add 2-3 solid players to this team for depth, it will be a very very good team.
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Post by afu on May 17, 2018 8:20:39 GMT -5
I agree with your opinions. I too think this will all be good for AFU.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 17, 2018 8:47:40 GMT -5
Don't know if it's just me, but it seems like every few days, some new member joins the forum and purports to espouse the benefits of not being at a Big 5/SCCL club or league. We've hashed this out 10 ways from Sunday. The non Big 5 club parents/fans keep yelling the "sky is falling" in regards to the SCCL. We hear you loud and clear. We all have choices. There is no right or wrong and there is definitely no need to argue over who is right or wrong. I say let it play out. What may work for the player X and her family, may be completely asinine for player Y and his family. So let us all retire to our respective corners. In about 6 months we will get a better inkling as to whether the SCCL is a rousing success or an abject failure.
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Post by sharks82 on May 17, 2018 8:49:30 GMT -5
Big Dawg ---> SOURCE ---> afu ---> bluefedora
Now you are agreeing with yourself LOL, I'm eagerly awaiting your next evolution.
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Post by surgesoccer on May 17, 2018 9:20:27 GMT -5
Big Dawg ---> SOURCE ---> afu ---> bluefedora Now you are agreeing with yourself LOL, I'm eagerly awaiting your next evolution. Almost like it was the same person. |
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Post by afu on May 17, 2018 9:27:41 GMT -5
sharks82.....have no clue what you are talking about there but let me say this:
Futsal Gawdess, I find it funny that since there are now two branches of soccer being formed, the ones who are NL are the ones "griping", and the ones who are SCCL are the "normal ones"........
So someone enlighten me: Is this a SCCL only forum, because I swear it says Ga Soccer Forum...............or, is this a forum for soccer? And soccer includes NL.
Some of you Big 5 types remind me of Democrats--when another view is pointed out, you don't just agree or disagree, you take shots...........as though Big 5 is the only thing worthy.
harks 82, for a person with only 20 posts, you sure do seem to have an interest in what I have to say. You want an autograph?
You can't find ONE of my 10 or so posts that trashes a player...you will find only things that I hihjlight that could help AFU>
Is the AFU hate on here that real?
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Post by bluefedora on May 17, 2018 9:39:25 GMT -5
Wait a minute. Is this a Big 5 site or a Ga Soccer site, or a Soccer site? Because it seems to me that people discuss back in forth until anything associated with AFU shows up.
So when 15 people talk good about a bigger club, that is "discussion", but when I make a few posts positive to AFU, then I must be the same person as every other pro-AFU post on here?
This is pretty closed minded. This sounds like people are nervous about AFU getting stronger and want to use this board to trash them.
Pretty closed minded and childish to me.
Just talk soccer and leave personal jabs/put downs out of it.
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Post by soccermonster on May 17, 2018 10:04:38 GMT -5
Big Dawg ---> SOURCE ---> afu ---> bluefedora Now you are agreeing with yourself LOL, I'm eagerly awaiting your next evolution. Almost like it was the same person. You took the words out of my mouth - I seriously read the post and thought to myself - oh wow, Source is back (with my excited face) someone sounds super sour this morning.  |
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