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Post by trumpetflower on Feb 26, 2019 9:41:51 GMT -5
this is a fascinating story, as is the reaction across this and other forums.
she and her family are super bold. she's apparently committed beyond what i know from typical 13 and 14 year old girls. but this is the point. on this forum and others, many are critical of the way kids train in US soccer's system and the college system. imagine what she has in front of her for the next 20 years...
she will train year round, she will play with the national team, she will not have distractions. this is a great experiment, and i'm sure US soccer and other pro clubs will be watching closely.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 26, 2019 9:48:39 GMT -5
As long as she is playing games with someone, should be interesting how she fits in with the team. I think she is playing up like 5 age groups now, and it looked like she had the number "10" kit on!
Will be interesting to see how much of a team player she is or becomes. I've only watched youtube videos of her and she looks nasty!
Will we see this on the boys side next?
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Post by oraclesfriend on Feb 26, 2019 9:59:48 GMT -5
As long as she is playing games with someone, should be interesting how she fits in with the team. I think she is playing up like 5 age groups now, and it looked like she had the number "10" kit on! Will be interesting to see how much of a team player she is or becomes. I've only watched youtube videos of her and she looks nasty! Will we see this on the boys side next? She is currently playing with the U16/U17 and thus 3 age groups up (though since there is no U16 only team currently you could argue 2 age groups). If you look at the roster of that team there is only 1 02. There is 1 04. One 05 (her). The remainder are 03's. I think Anson said it best in his comment. He stated that it is good for the women's game that she was offered a Nike contract that exceeded the worth of her scholarship offer. He supports her decision. He DID hedge it with the comment that it is a risk depending on how she matures physically. He said that the risk was present for her and for Nike. This girl has been very dedicated from a very young age. I think her situation is only slightly different from people sending their 13 year old kids to college for the challenges they need academically. It is always risky to put kids in an environment where they are the youngest, the only female or other situations that make them stand apart. I agree that while I find the decision to go pro now given the limitations on her contract options strange, I also think that people should parent their kids they way the feel most comfortable. If they think she needs the challenge, so be it. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 26, 2019 15:52:16 GMT -5
She really makes it look like she is the only working, and i'm sure that is not the case:
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Post by SoccerMom on Feb 26, 2019 20:24:45 GMT -5
It seems awfully crazy to me to do this at 13. I mean I get shes a good little player now but who is to say where she will be in a couple of years....shes barely hit puberty
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Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 28, 2019 11:53:22 GMT -5
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 7, 2019 18:52:27 GMT -5
Apparently she fits in well at training since she can shoot the ball towards the goal......
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Post by atlfutboldad on Mar 7, 2019 19:19:08 GMT -5
Lol. Shouldnt she be on the field in the MLS like, yesterday?
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Post by rifle on Mar 7, 2019 19:27:47 GMT -5
I agree that everyone has to make decisions for themselves. HOWEVER, we have seen the greatest players in USWNT all come up under the college system except I think Mal Pugh. I don't know why the family would decide to eliminate a path (college soccer) for their daughter at at 13. Mal Pugh made the determination at 18. The family seems wealthy and so, I can't believe the Nike contract is a game changer. She could go play w/ Thorns DA, I think, without turning pro and eliminating a college soccer path. I think it is an unnecessary and rushed decision given her age. they probably watched some college soccer and decided Route 1 isn’t what she wants |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 7, 2019 19:31:24 GMT -5
Umm... she is a good player, but I don't believe that clip shows anything special. About 20 05 girls in the Atlanta area can do that shot just as well as she did. This is all marketing
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Post by atlfutboldad on Mar 7, 2019 23:11:23 GMT -5
A lot about this whole situation seems like marketing.
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Post by rifle on Mar 8, 2019 6:16:18 GMT -5
The people I work with who advance fastest blow their own horns a lot. The ones who have the respect of their peers are also GOOD at their job.
Hmmmmm
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 21, 2019 22:07:29 GMT -5
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 28, 2019 7:08:39 GMT -5
Olivia Moultrie played in the Thorns preseason game against the U23 USWNT. Coach also made an interesting point about development. He said that he thinks players need to be the best player on the pitch, be the middle of the road and on the bottom end. He said they plan to give Moultrie that experience by playing her with the DA team, and training with the boys and the first team. I think that is a very smart comment.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 28, 2019 8:03:48 GMT -5
Hopefully she just starts playing -- been there what a month, and has played in 1 game?
meanwhile the DA team I think has played 4 or 5 games that she could participate in. Kids have to play in games, you have to play period. I've seen so many quality players get in negative situations on teams and they didn't play, and it greatly effected their game. This kid's a little different because I'm sure she is a cocky little booger, but still - game speed and live games are so important and can't be simulated during a training session.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 28, 2019 12:51:47 GMT -5
I know this is a couple of years old but it is still sobering when you think that only 180 will make it, period 😱😱😱
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Post by atlfutboldad on Mar 28, 2019 13:26:37 GMT -5
That's just the EPL though.
That figure probably more than quadruples when you figure in the English youth soccer players who go on to play in the Championship League or first league in the SPL, Ireland, Wales. And then you have to consider whether the players in the 3rd/4th tier are making a living doing it. And then there's the ones who go to the US and basically every other country with a pro league around the world. And then the 2nd/3rd level clubs around the world. Pay in the MLS is more equivalent to 2nd/3rd tier of English football. What was Toronto's total market value, like $30M? A quick search on TransferMarket shows that the lowest paid player on Dundee FC in the SPL is English at $86K, which to my mind is a decent salary for playing at a bottom-tier club in a 3rd-rate market. The percentages are still small, but way more than that 180 number.
I would bet that the percentage of males who are playing organized youth soccer in the US at any one time who go on to play pro ANYWHERE is significantly less than that of boys in the UK.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Apr 28, 2019 20:26:47 GMT -5
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 29, 2019 13:23:53 GMT -5
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 30, 2019 8:36:18 GMT -5
That was a really long article and written well and from a pretty unbiased perspective. I liked it a lot. I wish her well and several of the points made about what we would be saying if it was a boy in the same position instead of a girl are valid points. Especially as we watch the youth at Sporting KC and other teams go on to play on the bigger stages and excel.
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Post by socceristhebest on Nov 8, 2019 10:05:40 GMT -5
Wonder how the "wonder" kid is performing. Looks like she is playing with the Thorns u19 squad...
And leads the team in goals! Granted goals don't tell the entire story, but I bet hers have been pretty.
Here is the crazy part --- they have only played 6 games? Shouldn't she be playing more?
How do you think she compares to our crop of 05s in Georgia? Would she dominate at a national training center?
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 5, 2021 9:45:30 GMT -5
She knew the rules when turning pro and now she is trying to sue for lost wages and damages. ( i don't agree with this)
NWSL clearly needs to come up with a USL like rule where academy players can play and not lose college eligiblity.
I don't like the idea of the homegrown for women, i feel that too many young girls will opt out of college for the nwsl.
but I guess it's ulitmatley the players choice....
I still don't see how this is different then when Clarret challenged the NFL rule and lost.
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Post by mistergrinch on May 5, 2021 10:01:56 GMT -5
The precedent of ... oh, every other professional league in the US.. will be a bit hard to overcome.
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 5, 2021 10:03:58 GMT -5
Yeah, I remember when Maurice Clarrett tried this. I can't see her winning this one. She should try out for MLS though.
But she's definitely learning from the USWNT, when you don't like the rules you signed up for...sue.
Next she'll ask for NWSL to pay her what a top La Liga player would earn.
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 5, 2021 10:05:06 GMT -5
should be interesting to follow -- she should have just finished high school early, busted her tail to finish school and enrolled at UNC until she turned 18. simple.
honeslty if she went to unc with the upcoming image/likeness/stuff she could possible have more earning potential by going to college.....
i've never heard of this thing they call the NWSL... how do i watch it??? (just kidden....)
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Post by mightydawg on May 5, 2021 10:05:22 GMT -5
Part of her argument makes no sense. She is arguing that she is suffering because not playing is the NWSL is "delaying her likelihood of being invited to seek a place on the U.S. women's national team, and making the team, or the U.S. Olympic team." Heather O'Reilly debuted for the USWNT at 16 years of age and Mal Pugh debuted at 17 years of age. If she were good enough, she would be on the USWNT now. Currently, her highest call up has been to the U-17 national team.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 5, 2021 10:13:09 GMT -5
She knew the rules when turning pro and now she is trying to sue for lost wages and damages. ( i don't agree with this) NWSL clearly needs to come up with a USL like rule where academy players can play and not lose college eligiblity. I don't like the idea of the homegrown for women, i feel that too many young girls will opt out of college for the nwsl. but I guess it's ulitmatley the players choice.... I still don't see how this is different then when Clarret challenged the NFL rule and lost. Well this is different because the MLS signs teens. I agree that she knew the rules. I agree that it would be concerning for girls to be able to opt out of college. But I agree with her position that it is unfair for girls to be unable to sign when boys can sign a professional contract. As an aside we always complain about how America is behind in men's soccer and the historical lack of developing young men for the purpose of a pro contract is partly why. We also talk about how concerned we are about the women falling behind, yet here we are giving her a hard time for trying to fix one problem that could cause us to lose ground against other countries...hmm Unfortunately in the US you often have to sue to get anything done. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 5, 2021 10:19:09 GMT -5
And to be honest until the USWNT national team plays a possession based style, I see very little difference between their style of play and the college game.
Many college teams actually have a superior style of play in my opinion.
I guess someone has to challenge the player path, i guess she is a good as advertised and must hold her own again the pros. my guess is there are many players in this country that couuld as well.
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 5, 2021 10:35:50 GMT -5
I think this will open Pandora's box if she wins, and I'm sure most of the older current players are glad their is an 18 year old age limit, or they would be out of job.....
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Post by bogan on May 5, 2021 10:40:49 GMT -5
“ Unfortunately in the US you often have to sue to get anything done.” oraclesfriend -I find that statement interesting coming from a physician. However, I suppose you do have a point-that’s the way we seem to do things here in ‘Mercia. |
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