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Post by soccermaxx72 on May 13, 2019 20:43:54 GMT -5
So looks like at the very least Tophat 05 ECNL will be represented at both State Cup and the SCCL Cup. They have so far placed 6 of their ECNL girls onto the “SCCL” tophat team and another 5 ECNL girls onto the Tophat White Mills team in state cup. Just slimey, why not just enter their entire ECNL in the SCCL Cup. Not to mention how do those players and parents on the SCCL team and the tophat white team feel about all these girls coming to take their playing time?
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Post by soccerfan30 on May 13, 2019 20:49:49 GMT -5
I can tell you that the 06 Navy and Wnite TH Buckhead teams won't have any guest players at State Cup
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Post by Shesakeeper on May 13, 2019 22:05:38 GMT -5
So looks like at the very least Tophat 05 ECNL will be represented at both State Cup and the SCCL Cup. They have so far placed 6 of their ECNL girls onto the “SCCL” tophat team and another 5 ECNL girls onto the Tophat White Mills team in state cup. Just slimey, why not just enter their entire ECNL in the SCCL Cup. Not to mention how do those players and parents on the SCCL team and the tophat white team feel about all these girls coming to take their playing time? Oh fun... That's our bracket (05) and I think we'll end up playing that Mills team. Mental note, 9 on defense. (Eye roll)
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Post by Keeper on May 13, 2019 22:52:21 GMT -5
Shocking that Rivah is taking on “guest” players!!!! 🤭🤭🙄🙄🙄
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 14, 2019 5:44:13 GMT -5
Not sure why they would do that. Obnoxious really. That is a really large number of players to pull down. Soccermaxx where did you get that info? For the SCCL cup they are on the weaker half of the bracket anyway...one athena A team and two bottom half of SCCL teams. They were going to advance reagrdless.
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Post by soccerfan30 on May 14, 2019 6:13:24 GMT -5
I do know the 05 SCCL team was decimated with injuries this season, the coach told me he played quite a few games with 12 players, since the 05 Athena A team is in State Cup I assume the coach didn't have other options to fill his roster for the SCCL event.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 14, 2019 6:41:29 GMT -5
I do know the 05 SCCL team was decimated with injuries this season, the coach told me he played quite a few games with 12 players, since the 05 Athena A team is in State Cup I assume the coach didn't have other options to fill his roster for the SCCL event. That is a quasi acceptable reason, but not really. You have a huge pool of players at the A/B level to pull from. If you can win SCCL games with 12 players then pulling players from Quest or MN or even the Blue team (all athena B teams) should be able to round out the roster. Not only does this stack the SCCL team with higher quality players (that they don't really need against the teams they are playing) it doesn't give those MN, QP and Blue team players a good opportunity to see and participate in a higher level of play and prove themselves.
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Post by keepcalmandballon on May 14, 2019 6:55:43 GMT -5
The SCCL team has 4 injured players and 4 guest players from ECNL, not 6. The players played with many on the sccl team last year. Without the guest players, they wouldn’t have enough to start a game.
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Post by fire on May 14, 2019 7:09:40 GMT -5
Great. My daughter is in that 05 bracket, has already beaten that TH team, and will now get to watch as "miraculously" this TH looks soooo much better than they did last time.
Of course, TH will then get to brag to other players that they should come to TH where they win.
Sleep well TH.
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Post by hateallthesechanges on May 14, 2019 7:17:01 GMT -5
I count 6 ECNL names as well for a total of 18 on the roster. 18 seems like a plenty full roster. One of them is actually an 05 DA DP too. And to put the other half of the ECNL roster on a White team at State Cup! That really is not a good look.
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Post by fire on May 14, 2019 7:23:35 GMT -5
Yep. To all the other girls in that bracket who are on teams better than TH "WHITE": sorry you put in the work and proved yourselves all year long, only to watch TH "somehow" roll everyone 5-0 and hoist a trophy.
Pitiful if true.
Any TH parents here who support this?
Enjoy hoisting a trophy your White team didn't earn, and I feel sorry for the TH White girls who will ride the bench.
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Post by keepcalmandballon on May 14, 2019 7:29:51 GMT -5
My daughter plays on the sccl team so I have the facts. I have seen the roster and it is 4 guest players (one who could have guest played on DA but is not on DA. I know 4 are injured/not able to play. I can assure you the coach would not have had guest players if the team was healthy. This team is already going to Nationals after winning the Fall season and pulled 06 players up to play this season with injuries.
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Post by soccerfan30 on May 14, 2019 7:32:20 GMT -5
Yep. To all the other girls in that bracket who are on teams better than TH "WHITE": sorry you put in the work and proved yourselves all year long, only to watch TH "somehow" roll everyone 5-0 and hoist a trophy. Pitiful if true. Any TH parents here who support this? Enjoy hoisting a trophy your White team didn't earn, and I feel sorry for the TH White girls who will ride the bench. Lets not paint every coach at TH with a broad brush, I've taken two Navy teams and two White teams (one to the State Cup Final Four) and have never used a guest player.
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 14, 2019 7:34:13 GMT -5
The ubiquitous white rabbit out of the hat??
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Post by girlsoccer on May 14, 2019 7:37:48 GMT -5
Yep. To all the other girls in that bracket who are on teams better than TH "WHITE": sorry you put in the work and proved yourselves all year long, only to watch TH "somehow" roll everyone 5-0 and hoist a trophy. Pitiful if true. Any TH parents here who support this? Enjoy hoisting a trophy your White team didn't earn, and I feel sorry for the TH White girls who will ride the bench. Tophat parent here who does not support this. I suppose if their roster is 18 and 6 are ecnl girls, their roster without would have been 12. Tough to play with 12 but I have been on teams that did it. This is a pet peeve of mine and I can not stand to come to an Athena A game and have the other team have several sccl and even ecnl girls playing with them but it happened to us regularly this year (GSA and Concorde are notorious). I am glad that our team did not do that at all through the regular season and won’t do it at all for state cup.
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Post by girlsoccer on May 14, 2019 7:49:47 GMT -5
I do know the 05 SCCL team was decimated with injuries this season, the coach told me he played quite a few games with 12 players, since the 05 Athena A team is in State Cup I assume the coach didn't have other options to fill his roster for the SCCL event. That is a quasi acceptable reason, but not really. You have a huge pool of players at the A/B level to pull from. If you can win SCCL games with 12 players then pulling players from Quest or MN or even the Blue team (all athena B teams) should be able to round out the roster. Not only does this stack the SCCL team with higher quality players (that they don't really need against the teams they are playing) it doesn't give those MN, QP and Blue team players a good opportunity to see and participate in a higher level of play and prove themselves. I think this is especially true for the White team. It would have been much “fairer” to pull kids up one level from blue than pull ecnl kids down three levels from ecnl to white. That is too much of a discrepancy. If White needed players and couldn’t get them from sccl or navy (because they are playing too), the subs should come from the next closest level- blue- rather than all the way down from ecnl.
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Post by fire on May 14, 2019 8:08:01 GMT -5
Yep. To all the other girls in that bracket who are on teams better than TH "WHITE": sorry you put in the work and proved yourselves all year long, only to watch TH "somehow" roll everyone 5-0 and hoist a trophy. Pitiful if true. Any TH parents here who support this? Enjoy hoisting a trophy your White team didn't earn, and I feel sorry for the TH White girls who will ride the bench. Lets not paint every coach at TH with a broad brush, I've taken two Navy teams and two White teams (one to the State Cup Final Four) and have never used a guest player.
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Post by fire on May 14, 2019 8:08:53 GMT -5
Did I paint every coach with a broad brush? Nope.
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Post by interestedspectator on May 14, 2019 8:22:57 GMT -5
The SCCL team is decimated with injuries, they pulled out of going to Nashville last weekend.
The Tophat white team well that coach is obviously all out for himself and must win at all costs, it is sad, I wonder how many of his players ever went and played in the SCCL? Were they asked to go up to the SCCL team and play? If yes why did they not go? Then the white coach would have taken players from the lower teams.
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Post by soccerguru on May 14, 2019 9:31:55 GMT -5
BK is pulling 4 players from Ga State to play on his U19 team, this happens at every club and I do remember when GB at Concorde got railed for pulling DA boys onto his teams.
I'm not saying it's right, but this scenario has been around for a long long time. GA Soccer never put it's foot down, and now they have lost both their feet.
In regards to KSA, check the seeds of all the boys age groups and look who has really benefitted from the formation of SCCL.
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Post by soccerfan30 on May 14, 2019 9:45:09 GMT -5
BK is pulling 4 players from Ga State to play on his U19 team, this happens at every club and I do remember when GB at Concorde got railed for pulling DA boys onto his teams. I'm not saying it's right, but this scenario has been around for a long long time. GA Soccer never put it's foot down, and now they have lost both their feet. In regards to KSA, check the seeds of all the boys age groups and look who has really benefitted from the formation of SCCL. BK always transfers players for State Cup, he's done it for years, even sitting some players who's families bankrolled his "scholarship players"
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Post by interestedspectator on May 14, 2019 10:18:54 GMT -5
U19's is different anyway. AFC Lightning put a college team together last year and many others have.
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Post by mistergrinch on May 14, 2019 10:21:28 GMT -5
My daughter plays on the sccl team so I have the facts. I have seen the roster and it is 4 guest players (one who could have guest played on DA but is not on DA. I know 4 are injured/not able to play. I can assure you the coach would not have had guest players if the team was healthy. This team is already going to Nationals after winning the Fall season and pulled 06 players up to play this season with injuries. So why not pull girls UP instead of DOWN? Isn't that what 'development' is supposed to look like?
Injuries are fine.. you need guest players, fine. Pulling down players from much stronger teams is bush league. AFU does it, now Tophat? It's garbage.
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Post by keepcalmandballon on May 14, 2019 10:27:48 GMT -5
The team below is the White team referenced in this chain so not an option. The players added played with many of the girls last year so I wouldn't agree SCCL is pulling down players from "much stronger team." A lot of parity at Tophat.
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Post by soccerfan30 on May 14, 2019 10:29:23 GMT -5
Last year the CF Athena A team had 4 ECNL players on their team for State Cup, they had 18 players so it certainly wasnt due to injuries.
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Post by soccermaxx72 on May 14, 2019 11:05:23 GMT -5
My daughter plays on the sccl team so I have the facts. I have seen the roster and it is 4 guest players (one who could have guest played on DA but is not on DA. I know 4 are injured/not able to play. I can assure you the coach would not have had guest players if the team was healthy. This team is already going to Nationals after winning the Fall season and pulled 06 players up to play this season with injuries. So why not pull girls UP instead of DOWN? Isn't that what 'development' is supposed to look like?
Injuries are fine.. you need guest players, fine. Pulling down players from much stronger teams is bush league. AFU does it, now Tophat? It's garbage.
Exactly my point! If any club can overcome injuries with their deep player pool it’s Tophat. To pull down players from ecnl for “injuries”, still haven’t seen a tophat white mills parent say they have Any injuries anyways, is a disgrace. By pulling players down you just ruined the entire seeding process, for example the tophat white mills team is seeded 6th for state cup but you can argue they should now be seeded 1 or 2. Similar scenario for SCCL where the tophat SCCL team is the clear best team already there is no reason to add ecnl to that team could easily grab some white mountain or qp players for “injuries”
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Post by soccerdad456 on May 14, 2019 11:20:32 GMT -5
Dude!! Tophat is gonna kill it!!! Lol!
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Post by hattrick07 on May 14, 2019 11:24:30 GMT -5
TH is definitely not thinking of the players - it's about winning, and winning only. After recruiting the top talent from other clubs, they then pad their deep rosters with dozens of players so they can move them up and down. It's certainly no fault of the players – who are sadly whipped around - not knowing week to week who their coach will be, what team they'll be rostered for, or where they'll be playing. Not sure how that is even allowed, seems like a loophole they've discovered.
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Post by soccermaxx72 on May 14, 2019 11:39:07 GMT -5
FYI, I did some further research and the Tophat u15 SCCL has 7 tophat Ecnl players that will be joining them for the SCCL Cup Quite honestly at u15 and above I can sort of understand as most freaks don’t play spring and may be able to form teams but U14 and below with teams playing fall and spring I find it unacceptable.
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Post by soccerallthetime on May 14, 2019 12:52:14 GMT -5
I usually just read these threads and sometimes shake my head at what some people post. But the post about the roster for the 04 SCCL team for this weekend’s tournament is so blatantly untrue, I cannot just let it pass. There are two ECNL players on the roster, one of whom is a second keeper who has been playing with the team for a while. The second girl has guest-played in the past.
If you look at the roster, there are 6-7 girls who did indeed play ECNL last year for either Tophat or Concorde, who actually chose to play SCCL over ECNL this year. That is a large part of the reason that team is so good! They certainly don’t need to sneak ECNL players on the roster to help them win.
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