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Post by cleansheet on Feb 28, 2020 21:10:37 GMT -5
More announcements to come soon per SCCL.
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Post by BubbleDad on Feb 28, 2020 23:49:11 GMT -5
So I wonder if they will still have a premier team.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Feb 29, 2020 1:34:15 GMT -5
SCCL Premier? I assume The current Premier and gold teams (3rd and 4th teams playing in Athena A-C/Classic I-Iv) will move into the SCCL Premier 1-3 brackets in the fall. I'm curious to see how well the SCCL consortium run a pro-rel team league AND am curious to see if they publish rules for club promotion into SCCL-1.
They probably branded the leagues backwards though. As in the top league should be called SCCL-Premier and the leagues under that as SCCL 1-3.
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Feb 29, 2020 6:47:08 GMT -5
Congrats, they are almost back to the equivalent of the piedmont NL that they were already in.
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Post by ultimatedad on Feb 29, 2020 8:40:43 GMT -5
I wonder if SCCL2 will out pace SCCL1 and become the higher quality league.
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Post by keeperdad27 on Mar 1, 2020 18:12:30 GMT -5
I wonder if SCCL2 will out pace SCCL1 and become the higher quality league. Not likely - for the most part top teams in SCCL-P have the top teams in SCCL1 such as TopHat and Concorde - AFUs #2 teams will be in SCCL1 in the fall. GSA SCCL-P can run with their SCCL team though. And clubs will likely control their SCCL1 as its uncertain how (or whether) promotion and relegation will apply to SCCL1. |
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Post by hotspur1 on Mar 1, 2020 20:41:40 GMT -5
Congrats, they are almost back to the equivalent of the piedmont NL that they were already in. Meh. Middle of table SCCL teams were tying and beating middle table NL teams all year long. Both leagues have really good teams and some that should be playing Classic/Athena. Lots of watered down leagues right now. Shame we can’t get a league vs league show down. DA vs ECNL. Then a rumble match tourney between NPL/NL/SCCL/ECRNL. Would be better than what state cup is now. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Mar 2, 2020 7:49:32 GMT -5
I think you all are using the numbers and stuff wrong. There is the SCCL Champions division (Top Divison let call them SCCL-C). That division is club based. Then there are going to be SCCL-P(1), SCCL-P(2), SCCL-P(3) which will be promotion/relegation within those 3 divisions. Maybe over time SCCL-P(1) might get as good as SCCL-C due to clubs with teams that can not get to SCCL-C, but I doubt it. That being said if AFU is going to be in the top division they better step it up. I know my kid's team in SCCL-P just beat the AFU team that will be in SCCL-C next season, and they have tied and beat them previously as well, and we have almost no chance to be the SCCL-C team next season due to the SCCL-C team being slightly better than his team above us though if we play 10 matches we might win 4 of them and them 6. So they are only slightly better.
AFU is in for a rude awakening if they think it will be a breeze in SCCL-C.
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Post by atv on Mar 2, 2020 8:33:40 GMT -5
I think you all are using the numbers and stuff wrong. There is the SCCL Champions division (Top Divison let call them SCCL-C). That division is club based. Then there are going to be SCCL-P(1), SCCL-P(2), SCCL-P(3) which will be promotion/relegation within those 3 divisions. Maybe over time SCCL-P(1) might get as good as SCCL-C due to clubs with teams that can not get to SCCL-C, but I doubt it. That being said if AFU is going to be in the top division they better step it up. I know my kid's team in SCCL-P just beat the AFU team that will be in SCCL-C next season, and they have tied and beat them previously as well, and we have almost no chance to be the SCCL-C team next season due to the SCCL-C team being slightly better than his team above us though if we play 10 matches we might win 4 of them and them 6. So they are only slightly better. AFU is in for a rude awakening if they think it will be a breeze in SCCL-C. Where do you see this? Link? Is SCCL C or SCCL 1 the new top flight? |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Mar 2, 2020 8:36:18 GMT -5
I dont think anyone at AFU thinks SCCL-C will be a cakewalk. They just want better competition than the fall provided.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Mar 2, 2020 8:44:34 GMT -5
 It was on the big orange announcement that someone posted before. I don't know how to upload images, because it keeps giving me an error. At the top of the announcement they had SCCL - Club Based (SCCL-C) and below it talks about SCCL-P 1-3 divisions being team based. So 4 total divisions with only the main clubs having access to SCCL-C but supposedly some path to get to that division in the future for clubs that probably routinely do well in SCCL-1 I would imagine probably across a lot of age groups. They really haven't set out the ground rules for being able to crack the SCCL-C club based division, but I assume it would be an aggregate thing for the whole club based on girls and boys team finishes in all of the SCCL-1 age groups. Here is the link to the picture if it works: link |
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Post by atv on Mar 2, 2020 8:54:39 GMT -5
Ok. I see this only affects SCCL Premier. I suppose SCCL C is not Pro/ Rel
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Post by soccerlegacy on Mar 2, 2020 8:58:16 GMT -5
I think they may have screwed up the poster or the made the decision after they had already created it because they don't have the team logo listed on the top ( in the orange poster).
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Post by atlfutboldad on Mar 2, 2020 9:52:33 GMT -5
I think its an old graphic (the clubs at the top). Again, I doubt CESA will be in SCCL-C (as opposed to SCCL-P1, SCCL-P2, SCCL-P3, which is what we should be calling them from now on).
Also, it says "Pathway to SCCL", so there is some sort of club promotion in mind (I doubt they have it fleshed out at this point). IMO SCCL-P1 winners need to have the US Club Nationals tie-in. There will absolutely be teams from SCCL-P1 that can beat many members of the SCCL-C bracket.
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Post by soccernoleuk on Mar 2, 2020 11:38:40 GMT -5
The orange poster shown here with the new SCCL-P format and expansion was released prior to the AFU announcement, so no AFU logo. Also, the logos shown are the current SCCL teams, and AFU is not one until next year (Fall 2020).
As for what they are calling the league, SCCL is SCCL. Some people have called it SCCL-1, some have called it SCCL-C. From everything I have seen, and what it is called around our club, it is just SCCL. The -P is used to depict the difference for Premier, and I'm thinking that will become SCCL-P1, SCCL-P2, SCCL-P3
I don't know that the "Pathway to SCCL" is officially set yet, but it will need to include all age groups for both boys & girls since SCCL is Club based and not team based.
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Post by soccernoleuk on Mar 2, 2020 11:41:38 GMT -5
I think you all are using the numbers and stuff wrong. There is the SCCL Champions division (Top Divison let call them SCCL-C). That division is club based. Then there are going to be SCCL-P(1), SCCL-P(2), SCCL-P(3) which will be promotion/relegation within those 3 divisions. Maybe over time SCCL-P(1) might get as good as SCCL-C due to clubs with teams that can not get to SCCL-C, but I doubt it. That being said if AFU is going to be in the top division they better step it up. I know my kid's team in SCCL-P just beat the AFU team that will be in SCCL-C next season, and they have tied and beat them previously as well, and we have almost no chance to be the SCCL-C team next season due to the SCCL-C team being slightly better than his team above us though if we play 10 matches we might win 4 of them and them 6. So they are only slightly better. AFU is in for a rude awakening if they think it will be a breeze in SCCL-C. Who said anything about AFU thinking it will be a breeze in SCCL? Maybe some parents think that since most of their teams finished in the top 3 of SCCL-P in the fall, but I doubt coaches think that. I think they wanted to be included so they had better competition for their second team, and also to get back onto a more equal playing ground with the Big 5 clubs. I'm sure next year AFU will have some teams that do well, and they will have some teams that struggle. Pretty much like most (not all) other clubs in the league. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 2, 2020 11:44:50 GMT -5
Honestly -- announcing and announcement is getting stale --
If you have something to say or share, freaking share it. We are talking about youth clubs here, not secret million dollar playing signings.
Now -- roast me for all the caveats etc....
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Post by TheMadOx on Mar 2, 2020 12:02:46 GMT -5
The clear pathway to SCCL Champions League is going to be available for clubs who can fill teams in ALL age groups and prove they can compete, like AFU did last season. I don't see any reason why CESA would not remain there...they are deep and can fill teams in all age groups...now competing will be another story.
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Post by atv on Mar 2, 2020 12:12:39 GMT -5
Honestly -- announcing and announcement is getting stale -- If you have something to say or share, freaking share it. We are talking about youth clubs here, not secret million dollar playing signings. Now -- roast me for all the caveats etc.... .. or just make an announcement that an announcement is coming at a gala or something and don’t share anything. IMO, “announcement coming soon” should be in a day or so or give a specific timeline for the announcement. Otherwise it gives the perception don’t have your sh.. together. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 2, 2020 12:30:08 GMT -5
or you hype it up at 8:00 am or night/day before and announce at 3:00 pm
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Post by atlfutboldad on Mar 2, 2020 14:38:36 GMT -5
The clear pathway to SCCL Champions League is going to be available for clubs who can fill teams in ALL age groups and prove they can compete, like AFU did last season. I don't see any reason why CESA would not remain there...they are deep and can fill teams in all age groups...now competing will be another story.
Since CESA will likely be putting their current SCCL/2nd teams into ECRL along with the other ECNL clubs from the Carolinas...well they're already struggling on the girls side of SCCL, 7th place overall in the falll (BUSA in 8th).
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Post by soccerlegacy on Mar 2, 2020 14:59:57 GMT -5
The clear pathway to SCCL Champions League is going to be available for clubs who can fill teams in ALL age groups and prove they can compete, like AFU did last season. I don't see any reason why CESA would not remain there...they are deep and can fill teams in all age groups...now competing will be another story. Well... I will say if CESA does leave the SCCL for the new Carolinas ECRL, then the SCCL is should be considered on the same level as the ECRL.... I mean, if their teams are interchangeable with the new league. If they try to push up one of their 3rd teams into the SCCL-C spot, I would think the SCCL would see that a slight to the league. As of this fall 2019, CESA, other than the U12, CESA finished no higher than 3rd in all girls age groups and the majority was 5th-7th place. So I would think they should just fill their spot with AFU or look for another close by regional club. |
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Post by BubbleDad on Mar 2, 2020 20:05:26 GMT -5
I dont think anyone at AFU thinks SCCL-C will be a cakewalk. They just want better competition than the fall provided. I was thinking at first that AFU was playing it safe by starting in the premier division, but maybe that was the only option they were given at first. The 06 girls team was pretty evenly matched with Concord and Tophat, but if that same team was in SCCL1 I think they would have a harder time. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 2, 2020 20:57:29 GMT -5
I dont think anyone at AFU thinks SCCL-C will be a cakewalk. They just want better competition than the fall provided. I was thinking at first that AFU was playing it safe by starting in the premier division, but maybe that was the only option they were given at first. The 06 girls team was pretty evenly matched with Concord and Tophat, but if that same team was in SCCL1 Let's call it the Hoover effect. AFU was one of the original teams to have been in the SCCL. However, their fearless leader at the time(thankfully run off by the board) showed his shady ways and was in essence kicked out. Not being let in to the meetings, planning, etc. he effectively worked at segregating AFU from the other Original clubs in the SCCL. So year one AFU missed out and had to work their way back into the good graces (new leadership, thankfully) and they have now been welcomed back into the fold. The other point being discussed is whether AFU thinks it will be a breeze in the SCCL. I don't know if it will be a breeze or not, but I do know UFA-Norcross suffers from this. AFU has the edge now because I think they will now attract a better caliber player for their ECNL/SCCL since they know they'll be playing at the same level as the other local clubs if they don't make ECNL. Didn't a big chunk of the 2005G team leave because they didn't want to play 2 levels down in the SCCL-P? My memory may be incorrect but... |
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Post by OTPSoccer on Mar 2, 2020 21:15:23 GMT -5
I dont think anyone at AFU thinks SCCL-C will be a cakewalk. They just want better competition than the fall provided. I was thinking at first that AFU was playing it safe by starting in the premier division, but maybe that was the only option they were given at first. The 06 girls team was pretty evenly matched with Concord and Tophat, but if that same team was in SCCL1 I think they would have a harder time. On the boys side, the AFU SCCL-P results in the Fall were definitely respectable. U14 = 4th U15 = 2nd U16 = 2nd U17 = 2nd U19 = 4th On the margin, I think the move to SCCL's top division will help AFU in recruiting. I say 'on the margin', because I don't think the majority of soccer families outside of SCCL understand the differences between -1, -P, -2, etc... If CESA drops out (as expected), this may entice some ECNL families to consider SCCL. The Florida circuit really wears on ECNL parents. Trading a South Carolina home and away for a Duluth home and away is an upgrade for the Atlanta-based teams. With two years under the belt, I think the caste system is pretty well established on the boys side. The top ECNL teams are better than the top SCCL teams (that was never in doubt). But the top SCCL teams are even (or better) than the middle-of-the-table ECNL teams. There are enough data points at this stage to support this. |
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Post by Keeper on Mar 2, 2020 22:20:58 GMT -5
From what we are hearing about AFU’s SCCL team goals is to pull a Concorde and just make new teams with new players. Essentially they want to post these new SCCL teams and draw players from other clubs. Which should be easy as they have the ECNL teams above them still as a draw, and there’s still unhappiness at gsa, Ufa forsyth & Norcross, and still no SCCL at neighbors like Ambush, All-In, Lanier, & Steamers to draw those top players away.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Mar 2, 2020 23:26:54 GMT -5
We know that AFU starting in the lower division hurt from a recruiting aspect, lost players to GSA, Norcross and Forsyth. From a club perspective, penance for GH a$$hat-ery is done and everyone is looking forward to being on the same footing as our neighbors.
Not saying any former families will come back, but I don't think the expectation is to build a new higher level teams from scratch/outside. Like any tryouts they'll take the best of what they have and the best of any new players who try out.
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Post by soccerguru on Mar 3, 2020 0:52:38 GMT -5
Just a little Ramble:
It really is a shame the state of soccer in GA and the country for that fact. These alphabet leagues have the game watered down so much it's hard to witness a strong 11 on the field. Whether you are -C or -P SCCL team, the majority of the time it's ugly soccer.
I do like the UFA 06 Norcross group, they have some talent and space and move the ball well. So does the Concord SCCL team, and UFA NPL team, and the GSA u19 ECNL team is fantastic, similar to KSA 01's last year.
Either way, it's a sad state of soccer in Atlanta and the country and I honestly think it will effect US soccer going forward.
Before this crazy splitting of teams and leagues, you could watch Gaucho's National Championship team Playing against The Great GSA team or the loaded Ambush Team with Bello, Jones, Chakroun and the rest of the future D1 players from Ambush.
Step down a year and go watch JJ's championship teams playing against SSA, GSA, UFA (all these teams were loaded with Stars and future professional and D1 players).
Today, I'll go watch a u12, u13, u14 DA GAME with my kids and we judge the team by stating what the score would be against those older teams, and it's really lopsided.
There is Talent in Atlanta but what does it accomplish when they are not practicing against the best of the best everyday and playing other DA teams with 5-6 really good players per side. There is a very very old saying, "too many cooks spoil the broth". That's where our soccer is today and the cooks are the leagues that have separated the ingredients.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Mar 3, 2020 7:30:58 GMT -5
Just a little Ramble: It really is a shame the state of soccer in GA and the country for that fact. These alphabet leagues have the game watered down so much it's hard to witness a strong 11 on the field. Whether you are -C or -P SCCL team, the majority of the time it's ugly soccer. I do like the UFA 06 Norcross group, they have some talent and space and move the ball well. So does the Concord SCCL team, and UFA NPL team, and the GSA u19 ECNL team is fantastic, similar to KSA 01's last year. Either way, it's a sad state of soccer in Atlanta and the country and I honestly think it will effect US soccer going forward. Before this crazy splitting of teams and leagues, you could watch Gaucho's National Championship team Playing against The Great GSA team or the loaded Ambush Team with Bello, Jones, Chakroun and the rest of the future D1 players from Ambush. Step down a year and go watch JJ's championship teams playing against SSA, GSA, UFA (all these teams were loaded with Stars and future professional and D1 players). Today, I'll go watch a u12, u13, u14 DA GAME with my kids and we judge the team by stating what the score would be against those older teams, and it's really lopsided. There is Talent in Atlanta but what does it accomplish when they are not practicing against the best of the best everyday and playing other DA teams with 5-6 really good players per side. There is a very very old saying, "too many cooks spoil the broth". That's where our soccer is today and the cooks are the leagues that have separated the ingredients. I disagree a bit with this and I agree on other parts. The SCCL-1, 2, 3 or Classic I, II, III aren't going to make much different what you call it. GA Soccer was not run well. The big clubs pulled out, and little by little they are going to take the smaller clubs with them and Club Soccer is going to run the state of GA. I don't see GA Soccer being here as we know it in 1-2 years, so there goes one set of leagues. The dilution will get better there, but honestly all you were talking about was really DA and ECNL from what I see you wrote, so why do you care what the kids below are doing? I think SCCL is run better with more games than GA Soccer was running their Classic/Athena leagues with less travel overall. That was goal of it and it has succeeded. Are there too many DA and ECNL teams? I couldn't answer you that. If there is then that is something DA and ECNL needs to fix. You can't blame the clubs for wanting teams in there even if dilutes the talent pool. Everyone wants a team in DA and ECNL. DA and ECNL just need to get their act together and make sure there aren't too many teams in the league if that is the problem you are stating. |
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Post by soccerguru on Mar 3, 2020 7:43:56 GMT -5
SCCL is operating a lot more efficiently than any GA soccer league. I have a kid who plays SCCL-p and it is ugly ugly soccer, so that's why I care.
In fairness, the soccer will only Get better when the kids choose to work on their craft by putting in more time on the ball, playing the game and definitely getting in 90 min soccer shape.
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