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Post by coffee on Mar 14, 2020 10:46:28 GMT -5
Latest Updates: 3-28-2020 County-by-county guide to shelter-in-place orders. www.11alive.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/county-by-county-georgia-restrictions/85-e588341f-92e8-4eac-bf7a-f04015270fe7 Disclaimer: This information is subject to massive errors and omissions. Do your homework. You're responsible for yourself . . . right? Non-soccer verbiage mostly removed. See relevant websites for more details. If you know of something I missed please let me know, and include a link to the source. I'll check back every few days and update this until it gets boring. ;-) You can post something you want me to include in this thread, or message me via the forum's messaging system. Don't forget to provide a link. Areas I've Checked So Far for Park Closings, or Other Orders Impacting Soccer, Listed Below: State of Georgia — Last checked 03-27-2020 - Executive Orders Given DeKalb County — Last checked 03-28-2020 PM — Stay-at-Home Executive Order Forsyth County - Last checked, 03-27-2020 PM — Parks Closed Fulton County — Last checked, 03-28-2020 PM Gwinnett County — Last checked, 03-28-2020 PM — Stay-at-Home Executive Order City of Alpharetta - Last checked, 03-27-2020 PM — Parks Closed (but not trails) City of Milton - Last checked, 03-27-2020 PM — Parks Closed (but not trails) STATE OF GEORGIA Other than organized games, and events, I've found nothing that explicitly names soccer, sports, or athletics (i.e., a parent, or personal trainer; and a couple of players that are keeping recommended distances apart). On Monday 03-23-2020 Gov. Brian Kemp issued an executive order "This order will... [snip unrelated] ...ban all gatherings of ten or more people *unless* you can maintain at least six feet between people at all times. The Department of Public Health will be empowered to close any business, establishment, non-profit, or organization for noncompliance." My emphasis on "unless." gov.georgia.gov/press-releases/2020-03-23/gov-kemp-issues-new-executive-orders-provides-covid-19-updateDEKALB COUNTY “DeKalb CEO Thurmond Issues Stay-at-Home Executive Order.” www.dekalbcountyga.gov/covid-19/state-emergency-executive-orderFULTON COUNTY Some services closed but parks are not in the list yet. www.fultoncountyga.gov/news/2020/03/17/updates-on-fulton-county-facility-closures-and-service-changesFORSYTH COUNTY Parks are closed. www.forsythco.com/covid-19#5303705-parks--recreationGWINNETT COUNTY “On March 27, Gwinnett County and the 16 cities within the county announced they are issuing stay-at-home orders for their respective jurisdictions” www.gwinnettcounty.com/web/gwinnett/Alert CITY OF ALPHARETTA The parks and their restrooms are closed, but the trails around them remain open. www.alpharetta.ga.us/covid-19-updatesCITY OF MILTON The parks and their restrooms are closed, but the trails around them remain open. www.cityofmiltonga.us/coronavirus |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 14, 2020 14:45:00 GMT -5
We were pretty upset to see the closure of the parks. I can totally understand closing the playgrounds and community centers where it is easy to pass things around by contacting surfaces and people in close contact. I am a bit surprised to see closure of fields, walking, running and biking trails where people are generally far enough apart (6ft) and there are no surfaces to touch with bare hands.
This was a big blow to my kids who were looking forward to spending time on fields working on their skills by themselves.
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Post by coffee on Mar 14, 2020 15:11:37 GMT -5
Agreed. I can understand preventing large gatherings, but why can’t we “swim at your own risk?” If people want to get in a work out, ride bikes, go to a dog park, practice first-touches & long passes, or work on my lacrosse stick-skills with 3-4 friends, why stop that? We can practice safe behavior.
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Oh... never mind. Workers would be required to maintain the facilities, and they want them to stay home. I suppose that’s the problem.
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Post by soccerdad76 on Mar 14, 2020 21:12:29 GMT -5
Got booted from a DeKalb park (soccer field) today and it was locked up as we left
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 14, 2020 22:01:44 GMT -5
Got booted from a DeKalb park (soccer field) today and it was locked up as we left That is unfortunate. I am not sure I understand the closing of open air fields. Coffee mentioned the employees of the park, but really there is not much for them to do on a field. |
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Post by Keeper on Mar 15, 2020 0:36:36 GMT -5
Got booted from a DeKalb park (soccer field) today and it was locked up as we left Which park? Most Dekalb parks fields are maintained by the clubs so unless they’re using them they don’t want anyone on them. As well as there’s always the liability issue as the soccer fields are not meant to be for open use. |
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Post by soccerdad76 on Mar 15, 2020 7:29:53 GMT -5
Got booted from a DeKalb park (soccer field) today and it was locked up as we left Which park? Most Dekalb parks fields are maintained by the clubs so unless they’re using them they don’t want anyone on them. As well as there’s always the liability issue as the soccer fields are not meant to be for open use. 11v11 field on the backside of Henderson Park. It was a (Tucker?) park official, not someone from a club, and the folks playing tennis were NOT asked to leave as far as I could tell from the two times the employee came by... first time telling our group to scram, the second time to lock the gate |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 15, 2020 9:07:41 GMT -5
Got booted from a DeKalb park (soccer field) today and it was locked up as we left Which park? Most Dekalb parks fields are maintained by the clubs so unless they’re using them they don’t want anyone on them. As well as there’s always the liability issue as the soccer fields are not meant to be for open use. Why are soccer fields not meant for open use and a liability? This is part of what is wrong in our soccer world. Fields SHOULD be for open use (coronavirus aside). |
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Post by mistergrinch on Mar 15, 2020 9:55:27 GMT -5
Which park? Most Dekalb parks fields are maintained by the clubs so unless they’re using them they don’t want anyone on them. As well as there’s always the liability issue as the soccer fields are not meant to be for open use. Why are soccer fields not meant for open use and a liability? This is part of what is wrong in our soccer world. Fields SHOULD be for open use (coronavirus aside). So true. Most of the parks are locked up.. or have the goals locked up. There's not many places for free play. |
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Post by guest on Mar 15, 2020 11:59:03 GMT -5
In Gwinnett County it is a crime to use a ball field without a permit.
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Post by Keeper on Mar 15, 2020 12:13:21 GMT -5
Which park? Most Dekalb parks fields are maintained by the clubs so unless they’re using them they don’t want anyone on them. As well as there’s always the liability issue as the soccer fields are not meant to be for open use. 11v11 field on the backside of Henderson Park. It was a (Tucker?) park official, not someone from a club, and the folks playing tennis were NOT asked to leave as far as I could tell from the two times the employee came by... first time telling our group to scram, the second time to lock the gate Yeah that Livsey Field is “property” of tysa. No permit, no access. It’s not like the tennis courts that are open to the public. |
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Post by Keeper on Mar 15, 2020 12:20:01 GMT -5
Which park? Most Dekalb parks fields are maintained by the clubs so unless they’re using them they don’t want anyone on them. As well as there’s always the liability issue as the soccer fields are not meant to be for open use. Why are soccer fields not meant for open use and a liability? This is part of what is wrong in our soccer world. Fields SHOULD be for open use (coronavirus aside). Soccer fields require a lot of money for maintenance. Add in that if anyone gets injured on them they could sue, so that’s why you have the liability issue. I’m all for open fields, especially those wasted baseball complexes wrapped in metal fences and concrete. Anyone remember when they could go to the local high school and run the track, kick the soccer ball or throw a football around? Now schools are fenced up like a prison. 👍🏻 |
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Post by BubbleDad on Mar 15, 2020 12:22:54 GMT -5
Which park? Most Dekalb parks fields are maintained by the clubs so unless they’re using them they don’t want anyone on them. As well as there’s always the liability issue as the soccer fields are not meant to be for open use. Why are soccer fields not meant for open use and a liability? This is part of what is wrong in our soccer world. Fields SHOULD be for open use (coronavirus aside). Yes ... I have felt this way before the Coronavirus situation. We have to be patient and follow what these folks are saying about not gathering in large groups. Even if you and your kid go to a park, I'm sure you will have other people going to the same park with their kids. I was able to get a pretty sizable (12ft) collapsible goal for my daughter that we use in our yard for $50 on eBay. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 15, 2020 12:37:01 GMT -5
Why are soccer fields not meant for open use and a liability? This is part of what is wrong in our soccer world. Fields SHOULD be for open use (coronavirus aside). Yes ... I have felt this way before the Coronavirus situation. We have to be patient and follow what these folks are saying about not gathering in large groups. Even if you and your kid go to a park, I'm sure you will have other people going to the same park with their kids. I was able to get a pretty sizable (12ft) collapsible goal for my daughter that we use in our yard for $50 on eBay. My point was meant in general, not Coronavirus related. We have a goal too but our yard is a steep downhill so not amenable. We bought the goal a long time ago because most fields that are open to the public (Forsyth county), even though they are not right now, don't have goals up. To your point about coronavirus and other people and their kids, that is true but the guidelines say 6 feet to separate you and others. Every time I have ever been at a public park with my kids doing soccer training no one is within 100 feet of us, let alone 6 ft. Only exception is when we are there with friends on purpose. You are more in danger going to the grocery store than at an open air field. We all need to be cautious for sure, but outdoors is the safest space as long as you are not touching people or things (like playground equipment). |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 15, 2020 12:41:10 GMT -5
Why are soccer fields not meant for open use and a liability? This is part of what is wrong in our soccer world. Fields SHOULD be for open use (coronavirus aside). Soccer fields require a lot of money for maintenance. Add in that if anyone gets injured on them they could sue, so that’s why you have the liability issue. I’m all for open fields, especially those wasted baseball complexes wrapped in metal fences and concrete. Anyone remember when they could go to the local high school and run the track, kick the soccer ball or throw a football around? Now schools are fenced up like a prison. 👍🏻 No question they cost money for maintenance but any public park is funded by my tax dollars. If I am paying those dollars I want to play at a field. Your point about liability is true but kids are more likely to be injured playing in a game that on a field by themselves. Also more likely to get injured on a playground or dirt bike trail or skate park. All of those are left open to the public (not speaking about coronavirus related closings). |
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Post by soccernotfootball on Mar 15, 2020 12:47:40 GMT -5
Soccer fields require a lot of money for maintenance. Add in that if anyone gets injured on them they could sue, so that’s why you have the liability issue. I’m all for open fields, especially those wasted baseball complexes wrapped in metal fences and concrete. Anyone remember when they could go to the local high school and run the track, kick the soccer ball or throw a football around? Now schools are fenced up like a prison. 👍🏻 No question they cost money for maintenance but any public park is funded by my tax dollars. If I am paying those dollars I want to play at a field. Your point about liability is true but kids are more likely to be injured playing in a game that on a field by themselves. Also more likely to get injured on a playground or dirt bike trail or skate park. All of those are left open to the public (not speaking about coronavirus related closings). "The majority of states consider public parks to be a government activity, which prevents liability for any injuries that occur on the premises. Federal, state, and local government entities protect themselves from personal injury claims through sovereign immunity. Under this immunity, the government cannot be held liable for injuries on public property. However, some states have created laws that allow people to bring a claim against the state or city for personal injuries that occur on public property such as a park." Not sure where Georgia falls on this but I'm willing to bet that no county or city run facility is liable for injuries in a park. |
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Post by Keeper on Mar 15, 2020 14:18:55 GMT -5
No question they cost money for maintenance but any public park is funded by my tax dollars. If I am paying those dollars I want to play at a field. Your point about liability is true but kids are more likely to be injured playing in a game that on a field by themselves. Also more likely to get injured on a playground or dirt bike trail or skate park. All of those are left open to the public (not speaking about coronavirus related closings). "The majority of states consider public parks to be a government activity, which prevents liability for any injuries that occur on the premises. Federal, state, and local government entities protect themselves from personal injury claims through sovereign immunity. Under this immunity, the government cannot be held liable for injuries on public property. However, some states have created laws that allow people to bring a claim against the state or city for personal injuries that occur on public property such as a park." Not sure where Georgia falls on this but I'm willing to bet that no county or city run facility is liable for injuries in a park. Exactly. The clubs take responsibility of this as the primary users of the fields eliminating the govt liability. |
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Post by Keeper on Mar 15, 2020 14:22:54 GMT -5
Soccer fields require a lot of money for maintenance. Add in that if anyone gets injured on them they could sue, so that’s why you have the liability issue. I’m all for open fields, especially those wasted baseball complexes wrapped in metal fences and concrete. Anyone remember when they could go to the local high school and run the track, kick the soccer ball or throw a football around? Now schools are fenced up like a prison. 👍🏻 No question they cost money for maintenance but any public park is funded by my tax dollars. If I am paying those dollars I want to play at a field. Your point about liability is true but kids are more likely to be injured playing in a game that on a field by themselves. Also more likely to get injured on a playground or dirt bike trail or skate park. All of those are left open to the public (not speaking about coronavirus related closings). Ehhh funded is tricky. Parks are bought and built by taxpayer dollars but depending on the city/county they’re not always maintained with taxpayer dollars. The local clubs to get exclusive access have to pay the yearly maintenance costs. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Mar 16, 2020 10:22:15 GMT -5
No question they cost money for maintenance but any public park is funded by my tax dollars. If I am paying those dollars I want to play at a field. Your point about liability is true but kids are more likely to be injured playing in a game that on a field by themselves. Also more likely to get injured on a playground or dirt bike trail or skate park. All of those are left open to the public (not speaking about coronavirus related closings). Ehhh funded is tricky. Parks are bought and built by taxpayer dollars but depending on the city/county they’re not always maintained with taxpayer dollars. The local clubs to get exclusive access have to pay the yearly maintenance costs. What about schools, though? Or parks where no soccer club plays regularly?
I should absolutely be able to go out to my local public school and use their field when they're not using it.. but they're almost entirely locked up.
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Post by allthingsoccer on Mar 16, 2020 10:35:44 GMT -5
Finding a field is almost as hard as finding the toilet paper.
HS is closed, parks are closed.. The perfect storm. urgggggg. need to find flat ground. Does anyone want to tear up their lawn? I would mine but nothing is flat.
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Post by Keeper on Mar 16, 2020 10:56:27 GMT -5
Ehhh funded is tricky. Parks are bought and built by taxpayer dollars but depending on the city/county they’re not always maintained with taxpayer dollars. The local clubs to get exclusive access have to pay the yearly maintenance costs. What about schools, though? Or parks where no soccer club plays regularly?
I should absolutely be able to go out to my local public school and use their field when they're not using it.. but they're almost entirely locked up.
Seriously? What sport thinks they run everything? The other football. Most Hs football coaches hate sharing their grass fields so if they aren’t on them then no one should be. Just another reason to move HS Soccer to the fall and build soccer specific HS fields/stadiums. I get your logic it just doesn’t work down here. Resources are so tight and rare that no one wants to share. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Mar 16, 2020 11:57:46 GMT -5
My son's team and the age group below ours are going to try to scrimmage somewhere (mix up the teams to make it fair) Saturday if we can find a park open. Hoping we can pull it off this Saturday and every Saturday till they open things back up. I have heard they are locking up goals at some of the parks though, but I know of a few private neighborhoods that have field with goals that some of the kids on the teams live in, so we may go there instead.
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Post by soccerloafer on Mar 16, 2020 13:09:11 GMT -5
My son's team and the age group below ours are going to try to scrimmage somewhere (mix up the teams to make it fair) Saturday if we can find a park open. Hoping we can pull it off this Saturday and every Saturday till they open things back up. I have heard they are locking up goals at some of the parks though, but I know of a few private neighborhoods that have field with goals that some of the kids on the teams live in, so we may go there instead. Why? Just stop. Stay home for two weeks and let this thing pass. The more groups that keep getting together, the worse this will be. The numbers are fine now, but wait a week. Exponential means something. There's a reason some videos go 'viral'. |
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Post by Keeper on Mar 16, 2020 13:15:18 GMT -5
My son's team and the age group below ours are going to try to scrimmage somewhere (mix up the teams to make it fair) Saturday if we can find a park open. Hoping we can pull it off this Saturday and every Saturday till they open things back up. I have heard they are locking up goals at some of the parks though, but I know of a few private neighborhoods that have field with goals that some of the kids on the teams live in, so we may go there instead. Why? Just stop. Stay home for two weeks and let this thing pass. The more groups that keep getting together, the worse this will be. The numbers are fine now, but wait a week. Exponential means something. There's a reason some videos go 'viral'. Don’t worry, they’ll probably only play long ball so every player is at least 6 feet apart! 😂😂 |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Mar 16, 2020 13:23:06 GMT -5
My son's team and the age group below ours are going to try to scrimmage somewhere (mix up the teams to make it fair) Saturday if we can find a park open. Hoping we can pull it off this Saturday and every Saturday till they open things back up. I have heard they are locking up goals at some of the parks though, but I know of a few private neighborhoods that have field with goals that some of the kids on the teams live in, so we may go there instead. Why? Just stop. Stay home for two weeks and let this thing pass. The more groups that keep getting together, the worse this will be. The numbers are fine now, but wait a week. Exponential means something. There's a reason some videos go 'viral'. The other thing to consider is the reason the numbers keep jumping (around 2K in the US since Friday), is that probably 3-4 times the number of people in the US who HAVE IT (~4K at the moment) don't currently KNOW they have it. Social distancing will slow this number, which is the main part of the transmission. |
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Post by soccerlegacy on Mar 16, 2020 13:33:38 GMT -5
Why? Just stop. Stay home for two weeks and let this thing pass. The more groups that keep getting together, the worse this will be. The numbers are fine now, but wait a week. Exponential means something. There's a reason some videos go 'viral'. Don’t worry, they’ll probably only play long ball so every player is at least 6 feet apart! 😂😂 I didn't catch where he must have said they played at SSA...   |
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Post by Keeper on Mar 16, 2020 13:53:32 GMT -5
Don’t worry, they’ll probably only play long ball so every player is at least 6 feet apart! 😂😂 I didn't catch where he must have said they played at SSA... Figured they were GSA! 🤷🏻♂️ |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Mar 16, 2020 16:16:34 GMT -5
My son's team and the age group below ours are going to try to scrimmage somewhere (mix up the teams to make it fair) Saturday if we can find a park open. Hoping we can pull it off this Saturday and every Saturday till they open things back up. I have heard they are locking up goals at some of the parks though, but I know of a few private neighborhoods that have field with goals that some of the kids on the teams live in, so we may go there instead. Why? Just stop. Stay home for two weeks and let this thing pass. The more groups that keep getting together, the worse this will be. The numbers are fine now, but wait a week. Exponential means something. There's a reason some videos go 'viral'. Kids are hanging out in the neighborhoods already out in the open. Not that I would take my kids to it but go look at the skyzones and Urban air places. They are packed. In my opinion if the kids aren't going to stay away from each other anyway then an open air soccer scrimmage is relatively low risk compared to what they are already doing. This closing of everything is not the best solution. It is a solution but not the best solution. Governments rarely do the best solution. If only 10-20% of the population is seriously at risk of major illness of this virus, then we should be working at quarantining them and keeping them away from the virus. Instead they try to isolate 100% of us 80-90% of which will show no symptoms, cold symptoms, or at worst flu symptoms that OTC drugs can combat. The economic results from this will most definitely lead to a worldwide economic recession if not depression. The amount of people that will be affected and/or die from worldwide recession or depression would eclipse what this virus is doing long term. Epidemiologists don't weight that stuff as much in their plans. I am ok with my decision to try to get together small group training and scrimmages in the mean time to keep the kids active for all parents that are like me that aren't scared of this thing and are not panicking. I think the U.S. and the world in general has cut off their nose to spite their face with this plan right now. Also this is not just two weeks for soccer. Most soccer has closed up shop till 4/30. I'll do me and you can do you, and we will all be fine. Just wish we decided not to cause a global recession or depression and instead isolated and quarantined our high risk groups instead. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 16, 2020 16:42:47 GMT -5
@slickdaddy you make some sound points, but there is one flaw to your logic. You are assuming that quarantines on the high risk groups would be adequate. For how long do you want to quarantine them? 3 months? 6 months? Btw the highest risk groups include everyone over 60. Are you going to avoid your parents for 6 months? That seems cruel. If you don't take away the virus' host COMPLETELY (that would be us and whatever animal this came from) then it will circulate for 6 months or more hence why they would need to be quarantined for that long. So again...do you want to quarantine all people over 60 and everyone under 60 with heart disease (the most at risk group) and potentially lung disease and diabetes. Even a 6 month quarantine will kill the economy anyway if you only quarantine those people. That is a large percentage of lawmakers, doctors, lawyers, teachers, CEO's, truckdrivers, factory workers, etc. My point is that the economy is going to go to pot regardless of how you deal with this. There is no way around that.
As for kids gathering at trampoline parks and such, that should be stopped. I am much more open to keeping parks open as people can enjoy the fresh air and get through their cabin fever with a good run or bike, etc. My kids have been outside training, but one is by herself. The other has been shooting at a goalie. I find that low risk. I do think that people gathering to have a scrimmage is going to cause local officials to be pretty strict and things like that and the trampoline parks are what are going to convince them to put us all in lockdown.
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Post by soccerloafer on Mar 16, 2020 17:14:52 GMT -5
"Kids are hanging out in the neighborhoods already out in the open. Not that I would take my kids to it but go look at the skyzones and Urban air places. They are packed. In my opinion if the kids aren't going to stay away from each other anyway then an open air soccer scrimmage is relatively low risk compared to what they are already doing."
Sounds like a parenting failure. The job of parents is to make the hard calls, not be their kids friend.
The problem with you do you and I do me is that it hurts everyone when people continue to carry the virus, or transmit the virus to others, or get sick and overwhelm our healthcare system, just because they didn't have the patience to sit tight for two weeks.
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