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Post by Soccerhouse on May 5, 2020 14:32:16 GMT -5
I've been off the grid for a few days -- any updates on the MLS new league, do we have more info?
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Post by baller84 on May 5, 2020 16:10:32 GMT -5
MLS has done such a great job as has DA. The results speak for themselves regarding player development on the world level. The free market has spoken...we all know which organization has done the best job. Yes we do. And since you put it at the world level, the best job here is still a poor job though. Total failure in US soccer top to bottom, clearly going in the wrong direction. |
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Post by blu on May 5, 2020 18:48:52 GMT -5
I've seen some MLS academies joining ECNL over the past 2-3 days, is that for second teams? Making sure they have a place to play?
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Post by jkdub1 on May 5, 2020 19:02:34 GMT -5
I've seen some MLS academies joining ECNL over the past 2-3 days, is that for second teams? Making sure they have a place to play? I'm seeing the same thing at some usl academies. So confused.. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 5, 2020 19:23:53 GMT -5
I'm sure Lavers is really focusing on that. Money, prestige, and a single top tier. But the MLS and USL should have their own subdivision, while still being a part of the existing conferences.
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Post by mistercalcio on May 6, 2020 0:37:09 GMT -5
Does anyone think the MLS/USL youth league may just... not happen? IMO, wouldn’t nearly be the weirdest thing to happen in US youth soccer (not USYS itself, as I’ve been mistaken for speaking on previously, but just the youth soccer landscape in our country in general). From the announcements being gathered, it seems as if a handful or more MLS/USL academy teams are joining ECNL, which would signal a pretty strong presence from each of those leagues as it is... maybe the MLS youth league still happens, but just on a smaller scale than they had originally hoped for and intended when they announced it post-DA demise? Either way, this can only be good news for ECNL, right?
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on May 6, 2020 6:26:20 GMT -5
MLS academies and any other fully funded clubs should stay the F out of ECNL.
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Post by atv on May 6, 2020 7:34:13 GMT -5
This is what I “think” might happen. MLS league is created for U15 and U17 age groups. However, most academies continue to field teams in expanded age groups through ECNL or possibly other leagues.
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 6, 2020 11:16:30 GMT -5
I think that the goal SHOULD BE for MLS/USL to have their own league. All tuition paid, perhaps U15/U17/U19 age groups. Local pay-to-play clubs should be funneling top players to these clubs (in exchange for some sort of solidarity compensation).
But for now, until all USL League One, USL Championship and MSL Clubs have fully-funded academies...those clubs should be IN ECNL, and play in the local conference. ALL games for the professional academies should count for those clubs but will not count in the standings for the pay-to-play clubs. It can give the pro clubs a scouting mechanism (discovery), provide incentive to develop players/see them move up to the next level (solidarity) and give the local clubs a chance to take down arguably more talented teams (bragging rights).
Should the NWSL academy system continue to improve and grow, a similar standard should be created.
Just my $0.02
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on May 6, 2020 12:43:43 GMT -5
I like that better, but the MLS clubs wouldn’t risk losing to those clubs so they’d only play up in age group. Which would be fine.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 6, 2020 12:56:27 GMT -5
I think that the goal SHOULD BE for MLS/USL to have their own league. All tuition paid, perhaps U15/U17/U19 age groups. Local pay-to-play clubs should be funneling top players to these clubs (in exchange for some sort of solidarity compensation). But for now, until all USL League One, USL Championship and MSL Clubs have fully-funded academies...those clubs should be IN ECNL, and play in the local conference. ALL games for the professional academies should count for those clubs but will not count in the standings for the pay-to-play clubs. It can give the pro clubs a scouting mechanism (discovery), provide incentive to develop players/see them move up to the next level (solidarity) and give the local clubs a chance to take down arguably more talented teams (bragging rights). Should the NWSL academy system continue to improve and grow, a similar standard should be created. Just my $0.02 You make a good, thought-out and compelling argument. However, the only portion I disagree with is the "Solidarity Compensation" In theory it is a good idea, for me why it doesn't or shouldn't apply is because the parents are the ones paying for the training and development of Little Johnny and Little Berkeley. In the Pay-2-Play model we have in the States, the clubs offer a service. We the parents find ways pay, while the fat cat DOCs are able to build their mc-mansions 😎 Now, were the clubs to offer scholarships to deserving players who go on to be pros, now we have a completely different situation. Hopefully, that model would incentivize(made that up) the clubs. Furthermore, I am guessing when you say SC, you're referring to those players that actually make it into the pro-ranks. In the meantime, I would think local clubs should still be able to market successful players that make it to the Pro-Academies, College or the Pro ranks, to recruit other young players to their clubs. I do have a question though, should the SC be tied to exactly what you pay or should there be a set amount and if so how much for every year? |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 6, 2020 13:02:27 GMT -5
I like that better, but the MLS clubs wouldn’t risk losing to those clubs so they’d only play up in age group. Which would be fine. In the bygone years of DA 😢 I believe outside of other DA clubs, the MLS clubs would never play their age groups but instead would always play up against other teams... |
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Post by blu on May 6, 2020 13:18:19 GMT -5
I like that better, but the MLS clubs wouldn’t risk losing to those clubs so they’d only play up in age group. Which would be fine. In the bygone years of DA 😢 I believe outside of other DA clubs, the MLS clubs would never play their age groups but instead would always play up against other teams... We (ECNL team) scrimmed them age appropriate this year. In the younger ages (U12, U13, U14) I think they would have trouble competing up an age group (only based on my experience this year). |
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Post by footyfan on May 6, 2020 14:01:20 GMT -5
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 6, 2020 14:45:24 GMT -5
looks like a complementary league: The USL Academy League’s model has not only been constructed to provide an elite pre-professional environment for all participants, but to be complementary of existing youth soccer organizations. In fact, all clubs applying to participate in the USL Academy League will be required to have a league-approved youth network as part of the minimum standards. In doing so, the USL club must show how it is helping grow the game organically at all levels, while also working hand-in-hand with the existing local youth soccer community to provide new opportunities for players & coaches to be involved with higher levels of the game. It offers USL clubs the flexibility to work with existing institutions, and most importantly to provide opportunity and professional pathways to both new and previously overlooked communities across the country. Players competing in the USL Academy League may also be able to register as a “PT Youth Player” on their local USL Academy League team, allowing them to play in other competitions for their respective clubs or schools, as the USL aspires to build respectful and trusting relationships between our clubs and the local Youth Soccer Organizations that are already serving our communities. |
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Post by jkdub1 on May 11, 2020 19:41:49 GMT -5
looks like a complementary league: The USL Academy League’s model has not only been constructed to provide an elite pre-professional environment for all participants, but to be complementary of existing youth soccer organizations. In fact, all clubs applying to participate in the USL Academy League will be required to have a league-approved youth network as part of the minimum standards. In doing so, the USL club must show how it is helping grow the game organically at all levels, while also working hand-in-hand with the existing local youth soccer community to provide new opportunities for players & coaches to be involved with higher levels of the game. It offers USL clubs the flexibility to work with existing institutions, and most importantly to provide opportunity and professional pathways to both new and previously overlooked communities across the country. Players competing in the USL Academy League may also be able to register as a “PT Youth Player” on their local USL Academy League team, allowing them to play in other competitions for their respective clubs or schools, as the USL aspires to build respectful and trusting relationships between our clubs and the local Youth Soccer Organizations that are already serving our communities. This will be fun to watch in Tennessee. TSSAA has a cute little bylaw forbidding middle and high schoolers from participating in any other organized league once they're rostered on the school team. It's called "Independant Game Participation". Unless someone somewhere (Nashville USL, Chattanooga USL and Memphis MLS) manages to have it appealed, chaos will ensue. |
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Post by footyfan on May 11, 2020 20:15:13 GMT -5
looks like a complementary league: The USL Academy League’s model has not only been constructed to provide an elite pre-professional environment for all participants, but to be complementary of existing youth soccer organizations. In fact, all clubs applying to participate in the USL Academy League will be required to have a league-approved youth network as part of the minimum standards. In doing so, the USL club must show how it is helping grow the game organically at all levels, while also working hand-in-hand with the existing local youth soccer community to provide new opportunities for players & coaches to be involved with higher levels of the game. It offers USL clubs the flexibility to work with existing institutions, and most importantly to provide opportunity and professional pathways to both new and previously overlooked communities across the country. Players competing in the USL Academy League may also be able to register as a “PT Youth Player” on their local USL Academy League team, allowing them to play in other competitions for their respective clubs or schools, as the USL aspires to build respectful and trusting relationships between our clubs and the local Youth Soccer Organizations that are already serving our communities. This will be fun to watch in Tennessee. TSSAA has a cute little bylaw forbidding middle and high schoolers from participating in any other organized league once they're rostered on the school team. It's called "Independant Game Participation". Unless someone somewhere (Nashville USL, Chattanooga USL and Memphis MLS) manages to have it appealed, chaos will ensue. What was that rule put in place for? |
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Post by jkdub1 on May 11, 2020 20:23:11 GMT -5
This will be fun to watch in Tennessee. TSSAA has a cute little bylaw forbidding middle and high schoolers from participating in any other organized league once they're rostered on the school team. It's called "Independant Game Participation". Unless someone somewhere (Nashville USL, Chattanooga USL and Memphis MLS) manages to have it appealed, chaos will ensue. What was that rule put in place for? Good question. I haven't had a kid in middle school or high school long enough to have an answer but it's been around for at least 5 years that I personally know of. Doesn't apply to tennis, bowling, cross country, golf and track & field though oddly enough. |
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 11, 2020 20:41:37 GMT -5
What was that rule put in place for? Good question. I haven't had a kid in middle school or high school long enough to have an answer but it's been around for at least 5 years that I personally know of. Doesn't apply to tennis, bowling, cross country, golf and track & field though oddly enough. All of the "tennis, bowling, cross country, golf and track & field" sports are, for the most part, individualized ones... just an observation. |
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Post by footyfan on May 11, 2020 21:02:16 GMT -5
2019-2020 TSSAA Handbook tssaa.org/tmsaa-constitution-and-bylawsIndependent Game Participation Rule - Article II, Section 21 states the following: A game or scrimmage situation involving students from more than one independent team shall be considered an independent game. This interpretation should be considered in the event that a student athlete wishes to participate in a club team practice, college tryout, etc. after the first contest date allowed in girls’ soccer. Three exceptions to the Independent Game Participation Rule have been approved by the TSSAA Board of Control for girls soccer: 1. Girls’ soccer student athletes may participate in Olympic Development Program competitions which have been recognized with the National Federation of State High School Associations. 2. Girls’ soccer student athletes may participate in U.S. Youth Soccer Conference competitions. 3. J. Girls’ soccer student athletes may participate in the U.S. Youth Soccer Elite Clubs National League (ECNL) competitions. |
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Post by footyfan on May 11, 2020 21:07:11 GMT -5
Since USL will allow kids to play HS, then it just means they cant play USL during the HS season.
Not sure what MLS rules will be.
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Post by jkdub1 on May 11, 2020 21:29:29 GMT -5
Good question. I haven't had a kid in middle school or high school long enough to have an answer but it's been around for at least 5 years that I personally know of. Doesn't apply to tennis, bowling, cross country, golf and track & field though oddly enough. All of the "tennis, bowling, cross country, golf and track & field" sports are, for the most part, individualized ones... just an observation. So what's the deal then? If my kid is a solo athlete, they can complete but if they're part of a team, they cannot? I've never been able to see the logic in this bylaw. Help me out here someone.. I'm open to suggestion. |
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Post by jkdub1 on May 11, 2020 21:47:15 GMT -5
Since USL will allow kids to play HS, then it just means they cant play USL during the HS season. Not sure what MLS rules will be. Boys high school soccer is in the spring in Tennessee (same as Georgia), when the USL season is proposed to start, so I imagine it will be hard for some of the kids to choose between the two. I'm very pleased that USL (and hopefully MLS) has given the option for the kids to do both but the TSSAA ruling will not allow it which is unfortunate. |
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Post by footyfan on May 12, 2020 6:10:41 GMT -5
Since USL will allow kids to play HS, then it just means they cant play USL during the HS season. Not sure what MLS rules will be. Boys high school soccer is in the spring in Tennessee (same as Georgia), when the USL season is proposed to start, so I imagine it will be hard for some of the kids to choose between the two. I'm very pleased that USL (and hopefully MLS) has given the option for the kids to do both but the TSSAA ruling will not allow it which is unfortunate. USL Academy league runs March-November. All states are affected, and the USL clubs will have to make a decision if they will allow kids to come/go to play their HS seasons. |
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Post by allthingsoccer on May 12, 2020 17:44:45 GMT -5
I seriously doubt that AU will allow HS soccer. Most will be virtual students and most will be at Marietta High. Imagine them allowing it and you have a HS team comprised of all AU Academy players...lol
Plus, if MLS Academy is investing they wouldnt want them to risk injury playing HS ball.
I'm all for kids playing for club and high school but if club is providing for free (AU) then I would be against that.
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 13, 2020 7:12:39 GMT -5
Am I the only human on the planet against youth competitive soccer during the summer?
I’ve watched some of the worst games of my life played during the summer months. Game 1 can be ok, but game 2 on day 2, kids are gassed.
Throw in some crazy sub rules that the league will implement.
Brutal heat
Training 4-5 days a week all summer
Parents losing their summer breaks also - god forbid your kid misses a training session for a family trip - kid will be benched for eternity
No summer break for kids
This isn’t going to end well.........
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 13, 2020 13:09:21 GMT -5
Looks like we shall be getting some info soon about the MLS/USL league
All 30 MLS clubs — the 26 current and four incoming expansion teams — will participate in the league, which will also include five USL Championship teams and 60 non-professional clubs, for a first season total of 95 teams.
The new league will include Under-13, -14, -15, -17 and -19 age groups. MLS teams will be required to field U-15 and U-17 squads, but it will be up to individual clubs if they want to field teams in the other four age groups. The league is also considering an Under-16 division, though there are no current plans for it to be included in the first season.
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on May 13, 2020 13:13:36 GMT -5
That’s interesting.
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Post by cleansheet on May 13, 2020 13:22:04 GMT -5
Looks like we shall be getting some info soon about the MLS/USL league All 30 MLS clubs — the 26 current and four incoming expansion teams — will participate in the league, which will also include five USL Championship teams and 60 non-professional clubs, for a first season total of 95 teams. The new league will include Under-13, -14, -15, -17 and -19 age groups. MLS teams will be required to field U-15 and U-17 squads, but it will be up to individual clubs if they want to field teams in the other four age groups. The league is also considering an Under-16 division, though there are no current plans for it to be included in the first season. 60 non professional clubs seems like a lot. Any from GA? |
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Post by footyfan on May 13, 2020 13:45:12 GMT -5
FLORIDA
Chargers Soccer Club
Florida Rush Soccer Club
IMG Academy
Inter Miami CF
Jacksonville FC
Miami Rush Kendall SC
Orlando City SC
South Florida Football Academy
Tampa Bay United Rowdies
West Florida Flames
Weston FC
GEORGIA
Atlanta United
Lanier Soccer Academy
Southern Soccer Academy
NORTH CAROLINA
MLS Charlotte
TENNESSEE
Nashville SC
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