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Post by soccermaxx72 on May 7, 2020 11:34:16 GMT -5
With the mixing alphabet soup of teams below ECNL, will we possibly begin to see clubs that blur the lines and have some teams at a club in SCCL/CLL and others in Piedmont NL?
I know Georgia Soccer (USYS) is at odds with SCCL (US Club Soccer) but at some point there would seem to be a point where certain clubs will have teams that would be better suited in different leagues.
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Post by honeybadger on May 7, 2020 11:50:39 GMT -5
It seems that when we were at AFU in NL, I think AFC and one of the South Carolina teams also played NPL. I may be wrong on the teams though. I never understood how they could pull that many games off to be honest!!!
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Post by footyfan on May 7, 2020 12:02:35 GMT -5
CCL is a USYS league, no?
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Post by soccermaxx72 on May 7, 2020 12:18:35 GMT -5
CCL is a USYS league, no? Will Georgia Soccer recognize them when those teams aren’t playing in their leagues? |
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Post by footyfan on May 7, 2020 12:49:21 GMT -5
CCL is a USYS league, no? Will Georgia Soccer recognize them when those teams aren’t playing in their leagues? Maybe or maybe not. But I think it is USYS, just like the EDP leagues up north. If I were GA Soccer, I'd latch on to it and have the lower teams play in the GA Soccer equivalent of the SCCL-1, SCCL-P1, -P2, -P3, -Petc. |
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Post by soccermaxx72 on May 7, 2020 12:59:29 GMT -5
Will Georgia Soccer recognize them when those teams aren’t playing in their leagues? Maybe or maybe not. But I think it is USYS, just like the EDP leagues up north. If I were GA Soccer, I'd latch on to it and have the lower teams play in the GA Soccer equivalent of the SCCL-1, SCCL-P1, -P2, -P3, -Petc. Do you see a scenario where club has team in Piedmont NL and other teams in SCCL -premier or no because of the USYS vs US club battle ? |
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Post by soccer3 on May 7, 2020 13:48:54 GMT -5
I fully expect to see some clubs keep top teams in NL/ Piedmont and lower teams in SCCL-P. Unfortunately SCCL-P will have more variety of teams and a deeper pool. Maybe or maybe not. But I think it is USYS, just like the EDP leagues up north. If I were GA Soccer, I'd latch on to it and have the lower teams play in the GA Soccer equivalent of the SCCL-1, SCCL-P1, -P2, -P3, -Petc. Do you see a scenario where club has team in Piedmont NL and other teams in SCCL -premier or no because of the USYS vs US club battle ? |
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Post by footyfan on May 7, 2020 14:53:23 GMT -5
I fully expect to see some clubs keep top teams in NL/ Piedmont and lower teams in SCCL-P. Unfortunately SCCL-P will have more variety of teams and a deeper pool. Do you see a scenario where club has team in Piedmont NL and other teams in SCCL -premier or no because of the USYS vs US club battle ? The SCCL/GA Soccer battle seems to be one of the very few "lower division" state association/USYS v USCS battles so not much precedent elsewhere to base an opinion on. |
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Post by soccermaxx72 on May 7, 2020 15:06:42 GMT -5
So do you think it is SCCL clubs telling their teams not to play in USYS leagues or is it USYS blocking teams from SCCL clubs that might want to still play in USYS?
I think honey badger probably has the answer to this? Badger, when AFU 05g had to give up their piedmont NL spot before last season, was that the club telling players that SCCL was stopping them from playing NL or was it USYS blocking?
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 7, 2020 15:10:01 GMT -5
Not him, but I'm pretty sure the DoC put the kibosh on it (due to logistics). AFC (NPL), AFU South (HCU) and NTH Smyrna still had teams in NL.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 7, 2020 15:20:00 GMT -5
So do you think it is SCCL clubs telling their teams not to play in USYS leagues or is it USYS blocking teams from SCCL clubs that might want to still play in USYS? I think honey badger probably has the answer to this? Badger, when AFU 05g had to give up their piedmont NL spot before last season, was that the club telling players that SCCL was stopping them from playing NL or was it USYS blocking? The first year Georgia soccer blocked the US Club teams that founded SCCL from going in. It was done to the SCCL teams, not by choice. The teams that did both that first year from Georgia had to get a waiver (AFC Lightning). Then there was a dispute where Georgia Soccer was told they could not do that. At that point I think it has been US Club teams who have (for the most part) elected not to play. |
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Post by soccernoleuk on May 7, 2020 16:16:41 GMT -5
So do you think it is SCCL clubs telling their teams not to play in USYS leagues or is it USYS blocking teams from SCCL clubs that might want to still play in USYS? I think honey badger probably has the answer to this? Badger, when AFU 05g had to give up their piedmont NL spot before last season, was that the club telling players that SCCL was stopping them from playing NL or was it USYS blocking? My understanding is AFU placed all their second teams in SCCL-P with the understanding that they would get SCCL this coming year. If they decided to keep any of their second teams in NL, there would be no guarantee of top flight SCCL this coming year, and that is something AFU didn't want. |
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Post by honeybadger on May 7, 2020 17:54:47 GMT -5
So do you think it is SCCL clubs telling their teams not to play in USYS leagues or is it USYS blocking teams from SCCL clubs that might want to still play in USYS? I think honey badger probably has the answer to this? Badger, when AFU 05g had to give up their piedmont NL spot before last season, was that the club telling players that SCCL was stopping them from playing NL or was it USYS blocking? I can only tell you what Mirza told us. 1. He gave the girls the option to stay as NL or go SCCL2 (I personally think this was just to keep us). The team parents voted. The NL supporters were outvoted. Those are the ones now at UFA and one when to Tophat SCCL2. This was voted and decided before state cup. Our coach , SG. (they had already fired Hoover as our coach which pi**ed the NL supporting group off) and MM were made aware by those who chose NL that state cup would be our final game there. So the team went into state cup knowing who was going where. As a matter of fact, our leading scorer all year sat the ENTIRE state cup game against LSA on the bench and dad was never given a reason. We lost by 1. Against Roswell (we lost by 1), both our CB's (who hadn't played striker all year) BOTH played striker in that game.........Those girls just happened to be girls who chose to leave......I will let you all draw your own conclusions as to why those coaching decisions were made, I won't speculate. But remember: state cup two years ago at the turf fields at Fowler were 143 degrees measured on the field and we had girls gasping for breath while a non injured player sat the entire game. 2. But as far as being allowed to play both, I simply don't recall being given that option. Maybe we were but I just simply forgot so I can't give you a honest answer. |
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Post by honeybadger on May 7, 2020 18:01:51 GMT -5
My bad for rambling. We were never told that one of the leagues was blocking us from the other.
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 7, 2020 18:40:33 GMT -5
So you're saying that all those who voted NL were simply shown the door?
I thought several families had decided to go another way. That would be a surprisingly vindictive move for only voting a certain way for the future placement of the team. No idea why what happened at state cup happened, but i do remember the suggestion that SG forced the team to take a dive. Seems like there's more to both those stories (but maybe not).
My understanding is that the former coach might be the subject of a AN investigation. There's more to that story.
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 7, 2020 19:48:57 GMT -5
So you're saying that all those who voted NL were simply shown the door? I thought several families had decided to go another way. That would be a surprisingly vindictive move for only voting a certain way for the future placement of the team. No idea why what happened at state cup happened, but i do remember the suggestion that SG forced the team to take a dive. Seems like there's more to both those stories (but maybe not). My understanding is that the former coach might be the subject of a GBI investigation. There's more to that story. So it was the "Black Sox" of youth girls soccer?? and the GBI has been called in?  |
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 7, 2020 20:15:37 GMT -5
Completely unrelated events.
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 7, 2020 20:28:08 GMT -5
Completely unrelated events. Ok... mine was a joke. I wish we had a sarcasm font. Who would bet on girls youth soccer, but I read the coach/team taking a dive and a posible GBI investigation and tied the two together. I know... it wasn't the best joke either. |
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Post by honeybadger on May 7, 2020 21:04:31 GMT -5
We were not shown the door. I want o be make that clear. We simply chose to go play SCCL top flight vs take the drop from NL to SCCL-P. And yes, as club President, Hoover was known as a jerk to many, but as coach of our kids, most loved him on our team. That is all our girls cared about-he treated them fair and well.
There is NOTHING to the rumor about any wrong doing. People simply wanted him gone because they thought they could work better with other clubs-maybe so, I'm not an expert on that part.
I personally know people GH fired who even admit to me the "investigation" stuff is crap. Of course, maybe they don't really know. But I saw first hand behind the scenes the things he did for kids with little means that came from his own money-not club funds. Things I've never known another coach/DOC do. Maybe they do, I just never saw it. I mean HELP FAMILIES OUT away from soccer from his own pockets. I have told him he is a strong willed SOB (we still get together periodically for a lunch or something I tell him this as we laugh) and he knows that.
But I personally judge the man by how he treated the girls on our team.
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Post by honeybadger on May 7, 2020 21:26:54 GMT -5
I agree there 100%---he's the reason no SCCL to start. He rubbed people the wrong way. But anyway, back to the original question: we were not shown the door. AFU didn't force anyone who voted NL , to leave.
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Post by soccermaxx72 on May 8, 2020 7:15:41 GMT -5
The lines are more blurred lol
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Post by atv on May 8, 2020 9:12:59 GMT -5
... so I remember there was a heck of lot of drama and changes over at AFU about this time last year with a lot of different things going on. Curious to know has everything settled down over there? Are players/ parents generally happy? How is club leadership doing?
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Post by honeybadger on May 8, 2020 9:18:04 GMT -5
I hear they are in a pretty good place now. They have some very fine coaches but like any clubs, I'm sure there are some duds there too. But they seem to be strong. I heard they lost 300 kids after last season but I've also heard they've started gaining back? Maybe someone else knows.
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 8, 2020 9:25:02 GMT -5
I hear they are in a pretty good place now. They have some very fine coaches but like any clubs, I'm sure there are some duds there too. But they seem to be strong. I heard they lost 300 kids after last season but I've also heard they've started gaining back? Maybe someone else knows. 300?? That sounds like a lot of kids. Are those all from Academy and Select?? |
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Post by honeybadger on May 8, 2020 11:04:38 GMT -5
My bad. I meant overall-counting rec. Just total numbers.
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 8, 2020 12:30:14 GMT -5
Here's what I know. AFU's rec numbers were down, select numbers were up. The overall numbers for select tryouts last year were high (they weren't quite expecting it), and at the 05 and 06 age groups they had 4 teams last year instead of the usual 3 (on the girls side).
Regarding rec, they were pretty sure that another local small club was taking down their rec advertisements and replacing with that club's.
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Post by Keeper on May 8, 2020 12:33:42 GMT -5
Here's what I know. AFU's rec numbers were down, select numbers were up. The overall numbers for select tryouts last year were high (they weren't quite expecting it), and at the 05 and 06 age groups they had 4 teams last year instead of the usual 3 (on the girls side). Regarding rec, they were pretty sure that another local small club was taking down their rec advertisements and replacing with that club's. You mean that other local club that was spawned from AFU?? In regards to Rec though I did hear from Ga Soccer that numbers for all Rec leagues were down last year. Just another tread as we continue to lose young players due to the age mandate. It’s been a steady 10% decrease every year. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 8, 2020 12:52:57 GMT -5
Spawned from? Dunno who that would be.
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Post by footyfan on May 8, 2020 13:15:53 GMT -5
Here's what I know. AFU's rec numbers were down, select numbers were up. The overall numbers for select tryouts last year were high (they weren't quite expecting it), and at the 05 and 06 age groups they had 4 teams last year instead of the usual 3 (on the girls side). Regarding rec, they were pretty sure that another local small club was taking down their rec advertisements and replacing with that club's. You mean that other local club that was spawned from AFU?? In regards to Rec though I did hear from Ga Soccer that numbers for all Rec leagues were down last year. Just another tread as we continue to lose young players due to the age mandate. It’s been a steady 10% decrease every year. Do rec leagues need to follow the birth year mandate? |
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Post by mistergrinch on May 8, 2020 14:03:46 GMT -5
You mean that other local club that was spawned from AFU?? In regards to Rec though I did hear from Ga Soccer that numbers for all Rec leagues were down last year. Just another tread as we continue to lose young players due to the age mandate. It’s been a steady 10% decrease every year. Do rec leagues need to follow the birth year mandate? Not sure if it's a requirement, but I think everyone just switched over for consistency.
That being said - rec is generally 2-year age groups anyway. u8, u10, u12, etc
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