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Post by honeybadger on May 17, 2020 17:54:07 GMT -5
I've onky heard rumors, and it could be wishful thinking by other clubs. But I've heard from a few parents that with the DA situation, that some of those girls are leaving but that some of their branches are losing players to for various reasons.
Truth or BS?
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Post by SoccerMom on May 17, 2020 18:07:28 GMT -5
I've onky heard rumors, and it could be wishful thinking by other clubs. But I've heard from a few parents that with the DA situation, that some of those girls are leaving but that some of their branches are losing players to for various reasons. Truth or BS? I know of 04, 05 and 06 girls leaving for other clubs. |
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Post by honeybadger on May 17, 2020 18:15:03 GMT -5
I've onky heard rumors, and it could be wishful thinking by other clubs. But I've heard from a few parents that with the DA situation, that some of those girls are leaving but that some of their branches are losing players to for various reasons. Truth or BS? I know of 04, 05 and 06 girls leaving for other clubs. Are the SSCL1/2 LEVEL? Or former DA/DPL? |
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Post by SoccerMom on May 17, 2020 18:15:56 GMT -5
I know of 04, 05 and 06 girls leaving for other clubs. Are the SSCL1/2 LEVEL? Or former DA/DPL? All the ones I know about are former DA |
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Post by fgug on May 17, 2020 21:02:14 GMT -5
Kids move clubs every year. This is not new. Yes some TH players will go to other clubs. And yes. Players from other clubs will move also.
I have no skin in the game at TH so I could care less. Not sure what you expect. A list of kids. Come on.
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Post by honeybadger on May 17, 2020 21:38:24 GMT -5
Kids move clubs every year. This is not new. Yes some TH players will go to other clubs. And yes. Players from other clubs will move also. I have no skin in the game at TH so I could care less. Not sure what you expect. A list of kids. Come on. Dude, don't be "that dude". This is simply a forum for people to share info and ask questions. Did I ever say a list of kids? No I didn't. This is a great forum to learn about soccer around the metro area. This is where I've learned a lot from many people on here who know a lot more than I do. No need to be a tool about it. |
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Post by mistercalcio on May 17, 2020 22:01:37 GMT -5
Kids move clubs every year. This is not new. Yes some TH players will go to other clubs. And yes. Players from other clubs will move also. I have no skin in the game at TH so I could care less. Not sure what you expect. A list of kids. Come on. Dude, don't be "that dude". This is simply a forum for people to share info and ask questions. Did I ever say a list of kids? No I didn't. This is a great forum to learn about soccer around the metro area. This is where I've learned a lot from many people on here who know a lot more than I do. No need to be a tool about it. To be fair, he’s not wrong. I didn’t read it as a “tool” type of comment at all. Gotta make peace with everyone’s opinions on a forum like this, especially if we’re going to get as specific as posting a new thread about a coaching change for one team in the metro ATL area (which is your right to do). Have seen a LOT worse on this forum than what that person said, to be honest. |
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Post by honeybadger on May 17, 2020 22:24:51 GMT -5
Dude, don't be "that dude". This is simply a forum for people to share info and ask questions. Did I ever say a list of kids? No I didn't. This is a great forum to learn about soccer around the metro area. This is where I've learned a lot from many people on here who know a lot more than I do. No need to be a tool about it. To be fair, he’s not wrong. I didn’t read it as a “tool” type of comment at all. Gotta make peace with everyone’s opinions on a forum like this, especially if we’re going to get as specific as posting a new thread about a coaching change for one team in the metro ATL area (which is your right to do). Have seen a LOT worse on this forum than what that person said, to be honest. I don't mind his opinion. But this part: "Not sure what you expect. A list of kids. Come on."........telling me :"come on man , you want kids names?" sounds a little cheesy to me. Just say " Kids leave every club every year". That would have been fine. |
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Post by soccergurl on May 18, 2020 0:15:24 GMT -5
I've onky heard rumors, and it could be wishful thinking by other clubs. But I've heard from a few parents that with the DA situation, that some of those girls are leaving but that some of their branches are losing players to for various reasons. Truth or BS? I know of 04, 05 and 06 girls leaving for other clubs. |also 07 and 08 gold girls leaving for other clubs| |
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Post by cleansheet on May 18, 2020 6:26:18 GMT -5
I've onky heard rumors, and it could be wishful thinking by other clubs. But I've heard from a few parents that with the DA situation, that some of those girls are leaving but that some of their branches are losing players to for various reasons. Truth or BS? There have been several underground tryouts by other clubs for TH girls. Tryout season is over. |
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Post by soccergurl on May 18, 2020 7:13:42 GMT -5
I've onky heard rumors, and it could be wishful thinking by other clubs. But I've heard from a few parents that with the DA situation, that some of those girls are leaving but that some of their branches are losing players to for various reasons. Truth or BS? There have been several underground tryouts by other clubs for TH girls. Tryout season is over. |there is 2 more this week for TH girls 06, 07, 08 in coach backyard| |have to make choice for where to sign or if we stay| |can not trust child team mate if the say they stay or leave| |maybe we stay 1 more year| |
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Post by fgug on May 18, 2020 7:54:43 GMT -5
It’s “recruiting” season for all clubs, not tryout season. I’m sure there are exceptions, but if you aren’t being contacted by coaches to attend these private sessions (or just to chat and “sign”), the likelihood of making the top team at a top club is relatively non-existent. The local coaches know the local kids and know who they want. Now, of course if those kids don’t materialize, they go much further down their lists and that’s where other “non-recruited” kids start to have a chance.
This thread will be much more interesting when it becomes “who left” and not “who is thinking about leaving?” Many are thinking about leaving...some may even communicate that they are leaving for one reason another, and then stay. Everyone is hedging right now, and the outcome will let the powers that be at TH know just how deeply the changing landscape impacted the club. It might surprise everyone.
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Post by Soccerphreak on May 18, 2020 7:56:58 GMT -5
I've onky heard rumors, and it could be wishful thinking by other clubs. But I've heard from a few parents that with the DA situation, that some of those girls are leaving but that some of their branches are losing players to for various reasons. Truth or BS? There have been several underground tryouts by other clubs for TH girls. Tryout season is over. Heehee this gave me a good chuckle. Tryouts are definitely over for the ecnl teams and the various clubs have managed to snatch up the top girls from each of the age groups but there are a few stragglers that are still drinking the TH koolaid. I guess they would prefer playing mediocre teams and continue bragging that they are the number one club. If you look at the message boards from the other regions, a lot of the ex DA teams that have gone to the new GA league are losing their top players to other ecnl teams and the GA talent pool is slowly diminishing. |
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Post by oldtrafford on May 18, 2020 8:42:39 GMT -5
every club, coach, and age group is different. not sure you can make blanket statements about a mass exodus across the board. every year here at tryouts for as long as i can remember there is talk about mass defections, and other than when concorde north moved everyone to top hat, defections are just a handful. that makes sense though as there are only a limited number of roster spots to be had at all of the top teams.
while each age group is different, the number of top players leaving will be small, just like always.
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Post by ultimatedad on May 18, 2020 8:49:29 GMT -5
Except that the talent at Tophat is supposed to be so great, and maybe it is,that an entire team could get absorbed by the rest of the league.
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Post by dadofthree on May 18, 2020 9:45:09 GMT -5
every club, coach, and age group is different. not sure you can make blanket statements about a mass exodus across the board. every year here at tryouts for as long as i can remember there is talk about mass defections, and other than when concorde north moved everyone to top hat, defections are just a handful. that makes sense though as there are only a limited number of roster spots to be had at all of the top teams. while each age group is different, the number of top players leaving will be small, just like always. I cant agree more. Every year some team or club is rumored to be losing everyone. What ends up happening in those cases is 1/3 leave and 2/3 end up staying. On average my guess is the top 4 or 5 girls on each TH team may move. Saying they are all moving forgets the reality that the ecnl clubs have good talent as well that will need to be displaced by the move. |
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Post by onekickpop on May 18, 2020 12:22:19 GMT -5
Fascinating. I really wonder how powerful of a brand TH is when it comes to scouting (colleges, etc) and how much of that lays on the shoulders of the coaches. “She played for coach “xyz”. The implication here is that if a player is on a certain squad, that particular coach felt they had the talent/skill to be on this particular team.
I understand the sentiment here but it would be interesting to hear the perspective of players on these TopHat teams who put in the work side by side in the trenches with their teammates. I’d bet they have no interest in going anywhere and leaving their teams, and I’d also gamble that the TH brand does not get watered down simply because there is no more DA. Will be interesting to see how it al plays out and if nothing else it makes for interesting quarantine reading during breaks from work! 😂
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 18, 2020 12:26:35 GMT -5
NTH really needs to use their name-recognition to have more of a direct college-outreach program. While they're on the outside of ECNL they need to keep attracting top talent. Having a college recruitment coordinator who can say "we will get your top-tier player on a D1 squad" might help keep the talent coming.
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Post by soccergurl on May 18, 2020 12:32:08 GMT -5
|tophat players they have zoom call with alumni at current D1 players at unc, stanford and duke|
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 18, 2020 12:36:05 GMT -5
Yeah, but those players are not going to help get your kid signed. NTH benefited from their teams being in ECNL and DA showcases, and likely tons of scouts attended their games, that's largely gone. Having a recruiting coordinator for the club would be beneficial.
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Post by dadofthree on May 18, 2020 12:59:52 GMT -5
Yeah, but those players are not going to help get your kid signed. NTH benefited from their teams being in ECNL and DA showcases, and likely tons of scouts attended their games, that's largely gone. Having a recruiting coordinator for the club would be beneficial. I am sure TH will still go to showcases that draw college coaches. Even if they end up at places like CASL, Jeff Cup or Surf they will still have 2 or 3 times where college coaches in large numbers will see them. This is about the same number as ECNL teams will have. The only difference between these showcases is one is league sponsor one is club sponsored. As an example the 03 DPL team was at CASL and we had so many coaches watching the team (at times we estimated 40 to 50 coaches) ran out of broucheres (I think they printed over 100). |
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Post by onekickpop on May 18, 2020 13:07:33 GMT -5
Great points, and I could see ECNL, GAL, and others having invitations to these showcases. Nothing really changes except the badge on the sleeve and it’s hard to believe a club suddenly becomes toxic due to their league affiliation. At the end of the day the toughest competition is usually your own teammates and the players last season who were being watched/scouted will still be the same players no matter the league especially if the coaching squad remains the same.
You never know in the end. If there is a compelling reason to come to the table with TopHat and any other club not a part of ECNL there is nothing preventing that from occurring.
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Post by BubbleDad on May 18, 2020 13:30:21 GMT -5
Fascinating. I really wonder how powerful of a brand TH is when it comes to scouting (colleges, etc) and how much of that lays on the shoulders of the coaches. “She played for coach “xyz”. The implication here is that if a player is on a certain squad, that particular coach felt they had the talent/skill to be on this particular team. I understand the sentiment here but it would be interesting to hear the perspective of players on these TopHat teams who put in the work side by side in the trenches with their teammates. I’d bet they have no interest in going anywhere and leaving their teams, and I’d also gamble that the TH brand does not get watered down simply because there is no more DA. Will be interesting to see how it al plays out and if nothing else it makes for interesting quarantine reading during breaks from work! 😂 I went to a workshop where the UNC Women's soccer head coach spoke and he said that he is well aware of Tophat and likes to recruit players from the club. |
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Post by collegesoccer on May 18, 2020 21:32:50 GMT -5
Yeah, but those players are not going to help get your kid signed. NTH benefited from their teams being in ECNL and DA showcases, and likely tons of scouts attended their games, that's largely gone. Having a recruiting coordinator for the club would be beneficial. It appears that you have no idea how college recruiting occurs. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 18, 2020 21:40:12 GMT -5
I have a decent idea. And with recruiting budgets likely slashed this year, every scouting trip out has to count.
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Post by beastmode on May 18, 2020 21:49:49 GMT -5
Fascinating. I really wonder how powerful of a brand TH is when it comes to scouting (colleges, etc) and how much of that lays on the shoulders of the coaches. “She played for coach “xyz”. The implication here is that if a player is on a certain squad, that particular coach felt they had the talent/skill to be on this particular team. I understand the sentiment here but it would be interesting to hear the perspective of players on these TopHat teams who put in the work side by side in the trenches with their teammates. I’d bet they have no interest in going anywhere and leaving their teams, and I’d also gamble that the TH brand does not get watered down simply because there is no more DA. Will be interesting to see how it al plays out and if nothing else it makes for interesting quarantine reading during breaks from work! 😂 I wondered how many of you actually put the TH list of college commitments (last 5 years) vs. any or all the other clubs in the state. The college commitments do not even remotely compare. This started pre ECNL, pre DA, and will continue post these leagues. For all the haters on this board, TH is living rent free in a lot of heads. It’s almost as if the other clubs are irrelevant and aren’t even relevant enough to discuss let alone bash. It’s hilarious 😂 |
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Post by beastmode on May 18, 2020 21:53:50 GMT -5
I have a decent idea. And with recruiting budgets likely slashed this year, every scouting trip out has to count. Colleges will recruit TH kids at showcases, and at practice. Many of coaches have been at training sessions watching their recruits and others. Just because their not at your club... |
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 18, 2020 22:09:36 GMT -5
Bahaha, the Tophat hubris.
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Post by beastmode on May 18, 2020 22:17:50 GMT -5
Bahaha, the Tophat hubris. Don’t hate, congratulate! I know it’s hard... |
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Post by beastmode on May 18, 2020 22:19:27 GMT -5
Bahaha, the Tophat hubris. I will put TH list up against yours - scared or uncomfortable? 😊 |
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