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Post by justadad on May 21, 2020 18:03:32 GMT -5
The only team that would be playing those level of ECNL teams is CF. The other clubs can happy by just being in a league with those teams in it since they will never play those. I guess that is worth it. Also, if ECNL was tiered, those clubs outside of CF would be in the second and third tier of ECNL. I guess that's great playing in the "best" league and playing the worst of those clubs in the "best" league. SMH |
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 21, 2020 18:05:00 GMT -5
As always, the hubris...
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Post by justadad on May 21, 2020 18:06:04 GMT -5
As always, call out TH and then play the victim. Your last name must be Trump.
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Post by footyfan on May 21, 2020 18:13:41 GMT -5
***I am going to leave this right here...*** Mic drop SoccerWire Girls Top 100 Clubs: Tophat (+1)Solar SC (-1) PDA (0) So Cal Blues (0) FC Dallas (+4) San Diego Surf (0) Real Colorado (+1) Legends FC (-3) Beach FC (-2) San Jose Earthquakes Academy (0) ***If the GA clubs played TH at all age groups (top team - through 3rd team); the TH winning % would be at least 95% - lol. That is why you dont want TH in ECNL. Lets at least be a little honest about it.  Some one left this thing on the stage. Is that 2019-20 or 2020-21 rankings? I think that is the difference people are discusssing here. |
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Post by justadad on May 21, 2020 18:17:58 GMT -5
Well - we cant have the 20-21 rankings just yet because the season hasnt been played. But if you think TH is going to fall far from the top, you are mistaken...
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Post by liverpoolfc on May 21, 2020 18:23:35 GMT -5
TH name lives in most of y'all heads.... #Rentfree
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Post by footyfan on May 21, 2020 18:26:27 GMT -5
Well - we cant have the 20-21 rankings just yet because the season hasnt been played. But if you think TH is going to fall far from the top, you are mistaken... Playing in a league so weak in SE and with so many games in Florida is what people are suggesting will cause young ladies to leave. The question the TH "choice" of leagues begs is: "will they leave?" The ranking will be determined by it. |
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Post by justadad on May 21, 2020 18:35:03 GMT -5
Well - we cant have the 20-21 rankings just yet because the season hasnt been played. But if you think TH is going to fall far from the top, you are mistaken... Playing in a league so weak in SE and with so many games in Florida is what people are suggesting will cause young ladies to leave. The question the TH "choice" of leagues begs is: "will they leave?" The ranking will be determined by it. Hey footyfan - so i respectfully disagree with you. I dont agree that because TH is not in ECNL that they will be "punished" for it by those doing the ranking. I think they could lose a couple of spots, but I dont think it will be major. Also, regardless of what league TH is in, they still have a quality club and that wont change. Yes, a few girls will leave and go to an ECNL club, not entirely because TH doesnt have ECNL, but due to playing time, not playing up when the parents think they should play up, not being "pushed or marketed" for the national team, etc. Some will leave for the league name, but I dont believe most are in that boat. IMHO |
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Post by holding on May 21, 2020 18:35:33 GMT -5
TH Win % against UFA would be 100% (as it has been over the last 3 years); AFU would be 100%; GSA - 90%; CF - would be a good series - 65% Yeah I'm sure CC would really be terrified to throw his National Champion 04's and Runner Up 03's out there against the Alabama, sorry TH girls. They only beat like 115 other teams to win the National Title. |
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Post by justadad on May 21, 2020 18:37:18 GMT -5
Well - we cant have the 20-21 rankings just yet because the season hasnt been played. But if you think TH is going to fall far from the top, you are mistaken... Playing in a league so weak in SE and with so many games in Florida is what people are suggesting will cause young ladies to leave. The question the TH "choice" of leagues begs is: "will they leave?" The ranking will be determined by it. One last point, TH will play as many games in Florida as all the ECNL teams. Just different ones and we can debate which Florida teams are better. |
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Post by justadad on May 21, 2020 18:38:50 GMT -5
TH Win % against UFA would be 100% (as it has been over the last 3 years); AFU would be 100%; GSA - 90%; CF - would be a good series - 65% Yeah I'm sure CC would really be terrified to throw his National Champion 04's and Runner Up 03's out there against the Alabama, sorry TH girls. They only beat like 115 other teams to win the National Title. That is why the % is not 100. I am acknowledging that GSA does have some really good teams. No argument there... |
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Post by holding on May 21, 2020 18:40:10 GMT -5
Only team having a chance at playing those teams are CF... The rest of those teams can be happy their in the same league. Would all be relegated to 2nd and 3rd tier in ECNL tiered clubs. Again, GSA 04's National Champs, GSA 03 Runners Up. SSA 05's National Champs Concorde Platinum 05's final 4. And half the TH teams in those age groups came from the other ECNL clubs at U13 nobody at TH developed them. TH has some great players and some average ones on all of their old DA teams but don't act like nobody else has any talent in Atlanta. And I would bet a dollar to a donut that GSA, Concorde and SSA would not think twice about having to play TH teams. BTW I am a TH parent. |
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Post by holding on May 21, 2020 18:43:58 GMT -5
Playing in a league so weak in SE and with so many games in Florida is what people are suggesting will cause young ladies to leave. The question the TH "choice" of leagues begs is: "will they leave?" The ranking will be determined by it. One last point, TH will play as many games in Florida as all the ECNL teams. Just different ones and we can debate which Florida teams are better. I think we can all agree West Florida and IMG really don't compare well to Tampa, Florida Elite, FC etc. I believe TH was beating West Florida 10 or 20 to 1 every game and IMG like 6 or 10 to 1. |
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Post by justadad on May 21, 2020 18:47:00 GMT -5
No one said those "teams were not any good" or that those "teams" dont have any talent. There is talent at those clubs, but my point is that it is a specific team or two (in GSA's case). None of those clubs does it as consistently as TH and throughout the age groups. Its just not one or two age groups. As i read on this board, the venom is spewed at the entire club while all of these other clubs has their issues as well. CF has had issues for years, so has AFU and GSA. We just dont see their issues on this board, as TH likes to be the hot topic each day/week/month/year. Its actually kind of hilarious...
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Post by holding on May 21, 2020 18:47:31 GMT -5
***I am going to leave this right here...*** Mic drop SoccerWire Girls Top 100 Clubs: Tophat (+1)Solar SC (-1) PDA (0) So Cal Blues (0) FC Dallas (+4) San Diego Surf (0) Real Colorado (+1) Legends FC (-3) Beach FC (-2) San Jose Earthquakes Academy (0) ***If the GA clubs played TH at all age groups (top team - through 3rd team); the TH winning % would be at least 95% - lol. That is why you dont want TH in ECNL. Lets at least be a little honest about it. Did TH get the Number 1 ranking by winning DA National Titles? Or did they win anything? |
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Post by holding on May 21, 2020 18:53:52 GMT -5
No one said those "teams were not any good" or that those "teams" dont have any talent. There is talent at those clubs, but my point is that it is a specific team or two (in GSA's case). None of those clubs does it as consistently as TH and throughout the age groups. Its just not one or two age groups. As i read on this board, the venom is spewed at the entire club while all of these other clubs has their issues as well. CF has had issues for years, so has AFU and GSA. We just dont see their issues on this board, as TH likes to be the hot topic each day/week/month/year. Its actually kind of hilarious... Well there are only 5 or 6 ECNL age groups so having two of your 5 teams in the finals should garner more respect than they are just an average club. Not to mention above the 05's they are first or second in every age group in the SE, and their 06's wiped the map with everyone. And based on CC taking the 05's I would imagine they will turn it up a notch this year. Look I get it I'm a TH parent but some of the comments on here dissing every other club are ridiculous. |
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Post by rudy on May 21, 2020 18:59:47 GMT -5
ECNL - WINNING
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Post by liverpoolfc on May 21, 2020 19:14:04 GMT -5
justadad that's why i said TopHat name lives rent free !!! I can't imagine what the forum will look like without ever mentioning TH in a post in a day!!! like goddamn take a break
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Post by footyfan on May 21, 2020 19:15:28 GMT -5
Playing in a league so weak in SE and with so many games in Florida is what people are suggesting will cause young ladies to leave. The question the TH "choice" of leagues begs is: "will they leave?" The ranking will be determined by it. Hey footyfan - so i respectfully disagree with you. I dont agree that because TH is not in ECNL that they will be "punished" for it by those doing the ranking. I think they could lose a couple of spots, but I dont think it will be major. Also, regardless of what league TH is in, they still have a quality club and that wont change. Yes, a few girls will leave and go to an ECNL club, not entirely because TH doesnt have ECNL, but due to playing time, not playing up when the parents think they should play up, not being "pushed or marketed" for the national team, etc. Some will leave for the league name, but I dont believe most are in that boat. IMHO You may well be correct. That is the discussion people are having. |
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Post by rifle on May 21, 2020 19:19:16 GMT -5
Too bad some adults have to be richards when they try to maneuver and beat others administratively. Sometimes it backfires. You're speaking of TG? Because it sounds like that's who you're talking about. Because I really doubt any of local clubs are having anything to do with the NTH/ECNL situation. thats correct |
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Post by SoccerMom on May 21, 2020 20:19:17 GMT -5
Some will leave...some will stay
The kids that "jumped" to TH are now "jumping" somewhere else or jumping back
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Post by Lady Soccer Whistledown on May 21, 2020 20:43:40 GMT -5
But have some humility..don't just expect things should automatically happen for you, just because you are TOPHAT. Humility and Tophat don't belong in the same sentence. Surely no one would fall for the part about the schools... Also, they're not in DA anymore, these players can go tryout with other coaches/clubs without having to give any notification or get permission. That was a garbage part of DA IMO. Oh they absolutely fell for it. Some were told, this was an important year for college recruitment and scouts won’t find you if you leave or if you leave from the, “Top Hat training,” that will put you in a position to lose out on potential scholarships. Also, coupled with a few promises of National Team placements. |
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Post by Lady Soccer Whistledown on May 21, 2020 20:51:24 GMT -5
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 This thread is better than the petition. HA! Hilarious 😂 |
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Post by ball2futbol on May 21, 2020 21:00:43 GMT -5
Granted, his style of management or delivery (or lack of) Is debatable, but when did it become cool to bash someone or an organization for being ambitious?! It’s quite “hubris” to assume that any decision right or wrong involved your approval, but merely provides some a platform to complain. It will be hard hard finding TH alumni regretting those decisions or the results of what a little ambition creates.
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Post by Soccerphreak on May 21, 2020 21:53:53 GMT -5
Unfortunate for the girls that their TH teams won't be in ECNL this year or anytime soon. If they want to play ECNL all they have to do is get their parents to take them to one of the other ECNL clubs in the area and beat someone out for a position. Some girls had already made arrangements to leave but TG told girls that he had talked to certain big-named schools about the them and that if they left TH, the schools wouldn't know where to find them......and people actually fell for it  . I promise you I can't make this stuff up. TG is definitely out there working on the dumb and restless. You have to give it to him for using the TH brand to convince the munchkins that the great OZ will turn the Girls Academy into the next best league. TG is a great coach and kudos to him for his effort in keeping a good chunk of his teams together. He, however, hasn't been able to convince his key players in each of his age groups to stay so it will be interesting to see how he manages without his superstars. On the bright side, there are many winners all around. The other ECNL teams gained some key players creating greater depth. The TH players who fought for playing time, will fight no more. The DPL players will actually get a chance to get moved up and not get displaced by the shiny new toy. |
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Post by Lady Soccer Whistledown on May 21, 2020 23:14:03 GMT -5
***I am going to leave this right here...*** Mic drop SoccerWire Girls Top 100 Clubs: Tophat (+1)Solar SC (-1) PDA (0) So Cal Blues (0) FC Dallas (+4) San Diego Surf (0) Real Colorado (+1) Legends FC (-3) Beach FC (-2) San Jose Earthquakes Academy (0) ***If the GA clubs played TH at all age groups (top team - through 3rd team); the TH winning % would be at least 95% - lol. That is why you dont want TH in ECNL. Lets at least be a little honest about it. So what they are #1 to a website?!? What’s does that mean in the grand scheme of things? They have a brand...acknowledged. But that doesn’t mean they are entitled to anything. And guess what...they still won’t be allowed into ECNL. They turned it down several times too....mic🎤 drop. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 22, 2020 0:56:34 GMT -5
TH Win % against UFA would be 100% (as it has been over the last 3 years); AFU would be 100%; GSA - 90%; CF - would be a good series - 65% No one disputes the fact that TH had a good product. No one is trying to discourage or dispute that TH also had good teams, made up of some very good players. But less we forget, that doesn't mean shizat or shinola when it comes to TH getting into ECNL. Back in the day, TH was on the outside looking in, and were last to get into ECNL. Finally, after getting into ECNL, TH backed the wrong horse in GDA when it came along, demoting ECNL to their 2nd level teams. TH finally lost ECNL and shizated on it as they put it in their rear view mirror, were again offered ECNL again, figuratively spat in their face, and reaffirmed their loyalty with GDA, then, lost GDA and after all that double talking about ECNL, came crawling back to ECNL demanding 2 slots. So to summarize where TH is currently, TH is on the outside looking in and if allowed back in, will be the last one to get into the ECNL, but IMO, this time it will take a while before ECNL acquiesces. Going by your facts, why pray tell then, are you all so hurt for not being included in a league that you feel would give you inferior competition day in and day out? How do you challenge your players when more often than not, you would win almost 100% of the time? I give TH credit, they did the next best thing, they created the THL- The Tophat League(aka GA/GAL), doubled up on teams in every age group and suckered convinced a bunch of top notch 2nd/3rd* level league-less clubs to join to make it super competitive. Maybe, ECNL is doing you a favor by saving you the embarrassment of playing less than stellar teams day 2 day and even lesser teams in the multitude of showcases and the use of their built in their decade+ proven college recruitment infrastructure. Your rising 2003s/2004s and maybe even your 2005s may likely survive the loss of GDA since they have a proven track record, a body of work and likely verbal commitments. But your rising U15s and below will have to contend for the THL Cup and really step up their games in the THL Showcases this year. I wouldn't have them rely solely on just playing super competitive teams in the SE GA/GAL to... Wait, where is the THL showcase occurring again - ESPNWWOS *IMG/Flames/USA/Weston in their U15+ age groups, combined had 45 wins in 166+ games 😱😱 |
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Post by coachgc on May 22, 2020 3:10:41 GMT -5
I see that someone from TH started a on-line petition to get TH accepted back into ECNL. I must say that it is very well-written and if I was a stranger and read this and didn't know how this all went down, I would fall for the okie-doke and be all upset for them. This stuff is pure comedy!! www.change.org/p/the-ecnl-board-tophat-acceptance-in-ecnlI summarized it with the best parts: The ECNL should want Tophat, a 'PLAYERS FIRST' Club! The ECNL should want NASA's sisters! And this can have a ripple effect on many players, not just the Tophat players. Many who are our friends. Nothing is handed to us. We have no ceiling! Tophat accepts diversity. (" Accepts" is the wrong word here. That's like saying we simply tolerate it) But also just as confusing is why the ECNL would not want some of the most competitive clubs and their players in the ECNL. Um because TG and TC, in typical egotistical fashion, poo-pooed all over ECNL for two years. “Nothing is handed to us!” This is one of the saddest rich white girl tragedies I’ve encountered. We won’t take no for an answer! also... nobody has ever told us no!! smh |
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Post by DOOM on May 22, 2020 7:15:41 GMT -5
TH Win % against UFA would be 100% (as it has been over the last 3 years); AFU would be 100%; GSA - 90%; CF - would be a good series - 65% No one disputes the fact that TH had a good product. No one is trying to discourage or dispute that TH also had good teams, made up of some very good players. But less we forget, that doesn't mean shizat or shinola when it comes to TH getting into ECNL. Back in the day, TH was on the outside looking in, and were last to get into ECNL. Finally, after getting into ECNL, TH backed the wrong horse in GDA when it came along, demoting ECNL to their 2nd level teams. TH finally lost ECNL and shizated on it as they put it in their rear view mirror, were again offered ECNL again, figuratively spat in their face, and reaffirmed their loyalty with GDA, then, lost GDA and after all that double talking about ECNL, came crawling back to ECNL demanding 2 slots. So to summarize where TH is currently, TH is on the outside looking in and if allowed back in, will be the last one to get into the ECNL, but IMO, this time it will take a while before ECNL acquiesces. Going by your facts, why pray tell then, are you all so hurt for not being included in a league that you feel would give you inferior competition day in and day out? How do you challenge your players when more often than not, you would win almost 100% of the time? I give TH credit, they did the next best thing, they created the THL- The Tophat League(aka GA/GAL), doubled up on teams in every age group and suckered convinced a bunch of top notch 2nd/3rd* level league-less clubs to join to make it super competitive. Maybe, ECNL is doing you a favor by saving you the embarrassment of playing less than stellar teams day 2 day and even lesser teams in the multitude of showcases and the use of their built in their decade+ proven college recruitment infrastructure. Your rising 2003s/2004s and maybe even your 2005s may likely survive the loss of GDA since they have a proven track record, a body of work and likely verbal commitments. But your rising U15s and below will have to contend for the THL Cup and really step up their games in the THL Showcases this year. I wouldn't have them rely solely on just playing super competitive teams in the SE GA/GAL to... Wait, where is the THL showcase occurring again - ESPNWWOS *IMG/Flames/USA/Weston in their U15+ age groups, combined had 45 wins in 166+ games 😱😱 OMG....this may be the single greatest post of all time on this forum. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 |
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on May 22, 2020 7:28:12 GMT -5
To all Tophat Parents and Kids (I am one of them) Please stop. We will not be getting ECNL now and possibly the near future, no matter how many signatures and complaints we lobby or facts we present. (Trust me, I tried) Unfortunately the leaders at Tophat took a gamble doubled down and lost. If you are a Tophat defender stay with what we have, fight and make it the best possible league and see what happens. (No matter what happens there will be haters) If you are not happy with what happened find a club that has what you want and fight for a spot on that said team. (There are numerous team's in Atlanta that love Tophat players) I wish you the best of luck, Tophat will be here to collect your money if you want to come back.
To the parents who are struggling remember a few things. 1) Why did you join the club in the first place. If it was for The shiny new league, then we don't have it anymore the other 5 clubs in Atlanta have it, go to it. 2) if you came to Tophat for the reputation of the club. Stay, they haven't lost it. 3) if you came because you like the coach and the players on your team. Need to make some calls to those families and make the decision on what you will do. 4) if you are at Tophat for the love of the game. Decide if they are growing that love. 5) remember that Tophat didn't have ECNL before and survived. You need to decide if they will rise again. (6) Tophat will not get ECNL. Make you decision on what is best for you and your child and go get it. The b*t&hing and whining here won't make a difference.
As for me, I will gamble and put all my chips in that Tophat will rise again (We will hope and pray)
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