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Post by sidelinesdad on May 29, 2020 10:30:11 GMT -5
🆕 Two more clubs join the SCCL Premier ranks for the 2020-21 season‼️
Welcome Triumph Youth Soccer Association/ TYSA and Rome-Floyd YMCA Arsenal Soccer Club!
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Post by thip on May 29, 2020 10:32:41 GMT -5
Ga soccer becomes smaller and smaller.
Two good additions to SCCl premier.
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Post by atlutd17 on May 29, 2020 11:01:26 GMT -5
Ga soccer becomes smaller and smaller. Two good additions to SCCl premier. And more travel keeps getting added with Columbus and Rome. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 29, 2020 11:10:28 GMT -5
Wow -- GA Soccer has to be freaking out. Are these 2 clubs all in SCCL or just the premier league?
there budget had to have taken a enormous hit over the past seasons and now with more teams completely pulling out of GA soccer.
the biggest suprise to me over the year isn't:
ecnl boys
DA's rise and fall
but rather State Associations becoming non-existent. I would use the word Failure, but that might be too strong a word and placed too much blame on them - but you get my point.
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Post by bogan on May 29, 2020 11:32:13 GMT -5
Wow -- GA Soccer has to be freaking out. Are these 2 clubs all in SCCL or just the premier league? there budget had to have taken a enormous hit over the past seasons and now with more teams completely pulling out of GA soccer. the biggest suprise to me over the year isn't: ecnl boys DA's rise and fall but rather State Associations becoming non-existent. I would use the word Failure, but that might be too strong a word and placed too much blame on them - but you get my point. Well, Georgia soccer’s attempted coup when the SCCL was being started didn’t help...remember the “you won’t be allowed in our tournaments?” |
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 29, 2020 13:02:12 GMT -5
Wait, isn't TYSA one of the clubs in the new CCL?
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Post by soccermaxx72 on May 29, 2020 13:40:20 GMT -5
Wait, isn't TYSA one of the clubs in the new CCL? What a mess, lol |
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Post by footyfan on May 29, 2020 14:07:34 GMT -5
Wow -- GA Soccer has to be freaking out. Are these 2 clubs all in SCCL or just the premier league? there budget had to have taken a enormous hit over the past seasons and now with more teams completely pulling out of GA soccer. the biggest suprise to me over the year isn't: ecnl boys DA's rise and fall but rather State Associations becoming non-existent. I would use the word Failure, but that might be too strong a word and placed too much blame on them - but you get my point. What other State Associations? |
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Post by atlutd17 on May 29, 2020 14:19:46 GMT -5
Wow -- GA Soccer has to be freaking out. Are these 2 clubs all in SCCL or just the premier league? there budget had to have taken a enormous hit over the past seasons and now with more teams completely pulling out of GA soccer. the biggest suprise to me over the year isn't: ecnl boys DA's rise and fall but rather State Associations becoming non-existent. I would use the word Failure, but that might be too strong a word and placed too much blame on them - but you get my point. What other State Associations? NC, SC, TN, AL, FL .... total chaos. |
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on May 29, 2020 14:22:23 GMT -5
Wait, isn't TYSA one of the clubs in the new CCL? What a mess, lol Soccermaxx. Crazy how such a league just grows and grows. If I remember right you thought this league was going to be horrible. What are your thought now going into year 3? Now more and more clubs want to come in. |
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Post by soccermaxx72 on May 29, 2020 14:28:31 GMT -5
Soccermaxx. Crazy how such a league just grows and grows. If I remember right you thought this league was going to be horrible. What are your thought now going into year 3? Now more and more clubs want to come in. Two things: 1. This comment about a mess was TYSA and their CCL and SCCL issue. 2. SCCL and more specifically SCCL premier is a joke. All it did was replace Georgia Soccer. It is basically Athena A and B teams with a pretty name |
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on May 29, 2020 14:37:13 GMT -5
Soccermaxx. Crazy how such a league just grows and grows. If I remember right you thought this league was going to be horrible. What are your thought now going into year 3? Now more and more clubs want to come in. Two things: 1. This comment about a mess was TYSA and their CCL and SCCL issue. 2. SCCL and more specifically SCCL premier is a joke. All it did was replace Georgia Soccer. It is basically Athena A and B teams with a pretty name Understand. What are your thoughts on SCCL-C compared to NL or NPL? I know some of those teams in the league are leaving to go to SCCL or CCL so parents are leaving to go to other teams, which is hurting the brand. Do you think the SCCL-C has improved because of this? |
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Post by coffee on May 29, 2020 14:44:15 GMT -5
... SCCL and more specifically SCCL premier is a joke. All it did was replace Georgia Soccer. It is basically Athena A and B teams with a pretty name In what way is SCCL Premier a joke? It serves a lot of families that are exploring, and benefiting from everything that’s good about team sports. |
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Post by Keeper on May 29, 2020 14:49:45 GMT -5
... SCCL and more specifically SCCL premier is a joke. All it did was replace Georgia Soccer. It is basically Athena A and B teams with a pretty name In what way is SCCL Premier a joke? It serves a lot of families that are exploring, and benefiting from everything that’s good about team sports. Well it’s a joke because they are literally writing the rules as it grows and accepting nearly everyone willing to pay to join their “Champions League”. |
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Post by cobbsoccerm on May 29, 2020 14:54:22 GMT -5
Two things: 1. This comment about a mess was TYSA and their CCL and SCCL issue. 2. SCCL and more specifically SCCL premier is a joke. All it did was replace Georgia Soccer. It is basically Athena A and B teams with a pretty name Understand. What are your thoughts on SCCL-C compared to NL or NPL? I know some of those teams in the league are leaving to go to SCCL or CCL so parents are leaving to go to other teams, which is hurting the brand. Do you think the SCCL-C has improved because of this? NL is leaps and bounds stronger than SCCL-C. There's no comparison. |
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Post by thip on May 29, 2020 15:12:30 GMT -5
Arsenal YMCA is bringing a 03 boys team who was in piedmont league tier II last season and a 05 boys team who was in southern regionals last summer. SCCL will be getting stronger with the more teams that they bring in.
NL use to be a strong league but not anymore.
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Post by fanatic21 on May 29, 2020 15:20:10 GMT -5
Understand. What are your thoughts on SCCL-C compared to NL or NPL? I know some of those teams in the league are leaving to go to SCCL or CCL so parents are leaving to go to other teams, which is hurting the brand. Do you think the SCCL-C has improved because of this? NL is leaps and bounds stronger than SCCL-C. There's no comparison. Are you talking about the Piedmont League or the NL that you have to qualify for by doing well in Piedmont League (I think that's how it works, right)? If you are talking NL, I'd agree that NL is stronger than SCCL, but I wouldn't use the phrase leaps and bounds to make the comparison. If you are talking about Peidmont League, I would have agreed with you 2 years ago when SCCL first started, but I'm not so sure anymore. The quality of Peidmont League has definitely diminished, and I think the quality of SCCL has improved. While there will likely be a few outliers (on the weaker side) in SCCL this year due to the additions of smaller clubs, there will also be some strong additions, including a number of former Peidmont League teams who finished in near the top of their league last year. You will probably see the same in Peidmont - as more and more clubs leave GA soccer, GA finds weaker and weaker teams to fill its Peidmont league spots. I think if you look at tournament match-ups over the last couple years between SCCL and NL teams, you will see mixed results, depending upon the age group, gender (I'd say Peidmont league retains the edge on the boys side but SCCL and PL on the girls side are probably pretty close), and whether or not the teams were from the top or bottom of the table of their respecitve league. I'd say the top 1 or 2 PL teams last year from most age groups would be better than most if not all SCCL teams, but I definitely think there's a comparison to be made. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 29, 2020 15:30:22 GMT -5
NL is leaps and bounds stronger than SCCL-C. There's no comparison. Are you talking about the Piedmont League or the NL that you have to qualify for by doing well in Piedmont League (I think that's how it works, right)? If you are talking NL, I'd agree that NL is stronger than SCCL, but I wouldn't use the phrase leaps and bounds to make the comparison. If you are talking about Peidmont League, I would have agreed with you 2 years ago when SCCL first started, but I'm not so sure anymore. The quality of Peidmont League has definitely diminished, and I think the quality of SCCL has improved. While there will likely be a few outliers (on the weaker side) in SCCL this year due to the additions of smaller clubs, there will also be some strong additions, including a number of former Peidmont League teams who finished in near the top of their league last year. You will probably see the same in Peidmont - as more and more clubs leave GA soccer, GA finds weaker and weaker teams to fill its Peidmont league spots. I think if you look at tournament match-ups over the last couple years between SCCL and NL teams, you will see mixed results, depending upon the age group, gender (I'd say Peidmont league retains the edge on the boys side but SCCL and PL on the girls side are probably pretty close), and whether or not the teams were from the top or bottom of the table of their respecitve league. I'd say the top 1 or 2 PL teams last year from most age groups would be better than most if not all SCCL teams, but I definitely think there's a comparison to be made. Your point about the weaker and weaker Georgia teams playing Piedmont is accurate along with the similar situation in other states. I cannot say for certain that all clubs are doing only one league (many of last year and the year before did Piedmont League and something else like Wake FC and previously Discoveries CSA and NCFC) but my guess is that the teams that joined GA league (Wake) and ECRL (nearly every big club in North Carolina) will be out of Piedmont League. That weakens it further. |
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Post by footyfan on May 29, 2020 17:44:04 GMT -5
What other State Associations? NC, SC, TN, AL, FL .... total chaos. It may well be chaos, but they aren't in GA ballpark: FL- SC-all left SCCL for state assoc leagues I'll look into NC, TN and AL. As SCCL tries to pull all GA clubs under its umbrella, the same issues will occur as GA Soccer. |
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Post by soccernotfootball on May 29, 2020 17:52:57 GMT -5
NC, SC, TN, AL, FL .... total chaos. It may well be chaos, but they aren't in GA ballpark: FL- SC-all left SCCL for state assoc leagues I'll look into NC, TN and AL. As SCCL tries to pull all GA clubs under its umbrella, the same issues will occur as GA Soccer. That's an interesting thought... you would think the same issues would reoccur if all the same clubs are there. Will SCCL be able to govern better? Where's the SCCL-P announcement for those clubs? |
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on May 29, 2020 18:02:31 GMT -5
It may well be chaos, but they aren't in GA ballpark: FL- SC-all left SCCL for state assoc leagues I'll look into NC, TN and AL. As SCCL tries to pull all GA clubs under its umbrella, the same issues will occur as GA Soccer. That's an interesting thought... you would think the same issues would reoccur if all the same clubs are there. Will SCCL be able to govern better? Where's the SCCL-P announcement for those clubs? Some of these teams are in GAL and DPL, so what is the classification for the leagues. GAL DPL NPL I know some people would put NPL first but this is my opinion does it sound right? |
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Post by SoccerMom on May 29, 2020 18:21:19 GMT -5
In what way is SCCL Premier a joke? It serves a lot of families that are exploring, and benefiting from everything that’s good about team sports. Well it’s a joke because they are literally writing the rules as it grows and accepting nearly everyone willing to pay to join their “Champions League”. Disagree......some other local clubs have applied and were declined |
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Post by atlutd17 on May 29, 2020 20:45:32 GMT -5
Well it’s a joke because they are literally writing the rules as it grows and accepting nearly everyone willing to pay to join their “Champions League”. Disagree......some other local clubs have applied and were declined 1. Seek for the real reasons why some of them were declined (relationships). 2. Most of the clubs that applied in the last 3 months did so because they panicked by the CCL fiasco and the great recruiting -as always- of the big boys who in turn did so for more revenue, further recruiting (surprise), match competition for their lower level teams, and to financially destroy the enemy (Ga soccer). 3. 2020 end result: The SCCL powers that be hit a grand slam. |
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Post by honeybadger on May 29, 2020 21:01:48 GMT -5
In what way is SCCL Premier a joke? It serves a lot of families that are exploring, and benefiting from everything that’s good about team sports. Well it’s a joke because they are literally writing the rules as it grows and accepting nearly everyone willing to pay to join their “Champions League”. Nope. Most are joining the "Premiere League", not "Champions League". USYSA is doing the same for NL. Some of those teams are a "joke" using your logic. Not everypone can play for ECNL because of logistics or fees. if you don't like the SCCL-C, don't send your kid there. I know several kids who got into ECNL/DA because of "behind the scenes funding/package deals", etc. Know because they told me out of arrogance. I'll put Roswell 05 NL girls and NC Fusion 05NL girls from 2 years ago up against some weaker ECNL teams and they would have beaten them, and the parents didn't even have to spend $12,000/year for a pretty ECNL patch. The SSA 05 Athena A team from 3 years ago may have been the best team in the state. And closer to home, the UFA 03 girls SCCL will beat half the ECNL teams in Ga right now. They've beaten some in the past 2 years. Wonder how those ECNL parents felt on the way home after losing to an SCCL team. All leagues have good/average/bad teams. |
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Post by atlutd17 on May 29, 2020 21:16:30 GMT -5
Soccermaxx. Crazy how such a league just grows and grows. If I remember right you thought this league was going to be horrible. What are your thought now going into year 3? Now more and more clubs want to come in. Two things: 1. This comment about a mess was TYSA and their CCL and SCCL issue. 2. SCCL and more specifically SCCL premier is a joke. All it did was replace Georgia Soccer. It is basically Athena A and B teams with a pretty name Pretty name and the newcomers are hoping SCCL to run fairly under the rules written by its founders, with lesser travel and overall cost. Parity optional but welcome when possible. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 29, 2020 21:22:28 GMT -5
Well it’s a joke because they are literally writing the rules as it grows and accepting nearly everyone willing to pay to join their “Champions League”. Nope. Most are joining the "Premiere League", not "Champions League". USYSA is doing the same for NL. Some of those teams are a "joke" using your logic. Not everypone can play for ECNL because of logistics or fees. if you don't like the SCCL-C, don't send your kid there. I know several kids who got into ECNL/DA because of "behind the scenes funding/package deals", etc. Know because they told me out of arrogance. I'll put Roswell 05 NL girls and NC Fusion 05NL girls from 2 years ago up against some weaker ECNL teams and they would have beaten them, and the parents didn't even have to spend $12,000/year for a pretty ECNL patch. The SSA 05 Athena A team from 3 years ago may have been the best team in the state. And closer to home, the UFA 03 girls SCCL will beat half the ECNL teams in Ga right now. They've beaten some in the past 2 years. Wonder how those ECNL parents felt on the way home after losing to an SCCL team. All leagues have good/average/bad teams. The SSA 05 team from three years ago became the Concorde Fire Premier ECNL team 2 years ago. Nearly the same team maybe an addition here and there. Two LSA players went there as DP's initially and then one went full time the following year when the other went to a different club. Very few changes on that team. But 3 years ago is a long time. U13 until U16... |
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Post by soccerdad76 on May 29, 2020 23:52:16 GMT -5
It may well be chaos, but they aren't in GA ballpark: FL- SC-all left SCCL for state assoc leagues I'll look into NC, TN and AL. As SCCL tries to pull all GA clubs under its umbrella, the same issues will occur as GA Soccer. That's an interesting thought... you would think the same issues would reoccur if all the same clubs are there. Will SCCL be able to govern better? Where's the SCCL-P announcement for those clubs? are we getting closer to fewer leagues with the growth of SCCL? I thought we wanted all teams to be in the same league to settle it on the field independent of stinkin’ badges. Not sure why the lower levels of SCCL get mocked for being classic II / Athena B-like since there’s supposed to be a level for everybody. |
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Post by Keeper on May 30, 2020 0:09:34 GMT -5
Well it’s a joke because they are literally writing the rules as it grows and accepting nearly everyone willing to pay to join their “Champions League”. Nope. Most are joining the "Premiere League", not "Champions League". USYSA is doing the same for NL. Some of those teams are a "joke" using your logic. Not everypone can play for ECNL because of logistics or fees. if you don't like the SCCL-C, don't send your kid there. I know several kids who got into ECNL/DA because of "behind the scenes funding/package deals", etc. Know because they told me out of arrogance. I'll put Roswell 05 NL girls and NC Fusion 05NL girls from 2 years ago up against some weaker ECNL teams and they would have beaten them, and the parents didn't even have to spend $12,000/year for a pretty ECNL patch. The SSA 05 Athena A team from 3 years ago may have been the best team in the state. And closer to home, the UFA 03 girls SCCL will beat half the ECNL teams in Ga right now. They've beaten some in the past 2 years. Wonder how those ECNL parents felt on the way home after losing to an SCCL team. All leagues have good/average/bad teams. What the hell are you babbling about? The league is a joke because it’s literally not needed. It’s the new shiny toy because GaSoccer got so screwed up by years of letting the Big 5 do what they wanted. They are literally having to write rules for the league now because they hadn’t thought of doing them before. Thus why ECNL players could play down on SCCL-C and SCCL-P teams because there wasn’t a rule against it. They’ve added nearly every team they knew that would pay the fee and not rock the boat. Lastly, it’s called SCCL right?? Tell me again what does that stand for? Oh wait... it’s Southeastern Clubs CHAMPIONS LEAGUE! The whole thing is called CHAMPIONS LEAGUE, from the top club level to the lowest Premier 4 team. Not the SCPL. 🤦🏻♂️ |
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Post by footyfan on May 30, 2020 6:50:16 GMT -5
It may take a year or three, but all the problems with GA Soccer will bubble up in SCCL. Managing the logistics of an eight team, closed league is easy. As SCCL become more inclusive, managing becomes more difficult unless it is authoritarian and doesn't listen to its members. Then, at some point the big five will start arguing as well. This too will fall apart.
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Post by rifle on May 30, 2020 9:01:43 GMT -5
So a formerly exclusive, invitation only league (not quite at the highest exclusive, invitation only level - but one step closer maybe) is opening up to more teams and will organize by promotion and relegation. Will they go ahead and end the season with a “state cup”? Because that would show it’s come full circle with not a single thing gained except a shift of whom is in control. And money stuff. Amazing progress.
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