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Post by OTPSoccer on Jun 1, 2020 22:12:15 GMT -5
I'd welcome a friendly debate over the "Club" rankings for U13-U18/19 ECNL on the boys side. If you look at the average finish for a given club across age groups, how do you think the clubs will stack up for Fall 2020? For purposes of this 'debate', there will be a Fall 2020 season. Here is my Way Too Early ECNL Club Rankings: - Concorde Platinum (likely built around prior year's DA team)
- UFA (same, however, finished behind CF DA in older groups)
- NASA (new, younger teams built around DA, no older DA teams to pull from)
- GSA (a first, and two 3rd place finishes last year, no DA to pull from this year)
- Alabama FC (three 2nd place finishes last year)
- Tennessee SC (no DA, two teams finished first, two teams finished last)
- Concorde Premier (new, but likely built around last year's CF ECNL teams, two of which finished first)
- Chattanooga Red Wolves [new]
- Atlanta Fire (finished in bottom 3 in five age groups last year, no DA)
- FC Alliance (finished in bottom 2 in four age groups last year)
References to last year's ECNL finishing spot is relative to the 7 returning clubs for Southeast Conference. It doesn't include Florida teams, or the three new Southeast teams. |
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Post by areyousure on Jun 2, 2020 7:13:12 GMT -5
Ufa finished ahead of Concorde platinum in DA rankings, both in 03/04 and 05.
I also think there have been some movement so who knows what the teams will look like. Also, Concorde premium (03) finished first In ecnl so I would rank them higher than what you predicted. Other than that.. who knows! Just hoping for a season!!
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Post by cleansheet on Jun 2, 2020 8:13:30 GMT -5
I'd welcome a friendly debate over the "Club" rankings for U13-U18/19 ECNL on the boys side. If you look at the average finish for a given club across age groups, how do you think the clubs will stack up for Fall 2020? For purposes of this 'debate', there will be a Fall 2020 season. Here is my Way Too Early ECNL Club Rankings: - Concorde Platinum (likely built around prior year's DA team)
- UFA (same, however, finished behind CF DA in older groups)
- NASA (new, younger teams built around DA, no older DA teams to pull from)
- GSA (a first, and two 3rd place finishes last year, no DA to pull from this year)
- Alabama FC (three 2nd place finishes last year)
- Tennessee SC (no DA, two teams finished first, two teams finished last)
- Concorde Premier (new, but likely built around last year's CF ECNL teams, two of which finished first)
- Chattanooga Red Wolves [new]
- Atlanta Fire (finished in bottom 3 in five age groups last year, no DA)
- FC Alliance (finished in bottom 2 in four age groups last year)
References to last year's ECNL finishing spot is relative to the 7 returning clubs for Southeast Conference. It doesn't include Florida teams, or the three new Southeast teams. 1a. CF 1 1b. UFA BIG GAP 3.NASA 4.gsa 5. Cf 2 6 - the rest : Going to be a long year |
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Post by interestedspectator on Jun 2, 2020 10:47:08 GMT -5
Interesting to see what happens with NASA as I believe that multiple Concorde players have left for NASA.
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Post by parentsoccerfan on Jun 2, 2020 11:43:48 GMT -5
Interesting to see what happens with NASA as I believe that multiple Concorde players have left for NASA. What age group? |
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Post by vinrock23 on Jun 2, 2020 14:57:59 GMT -5
Looking at ECNL Boys for several years now, I believe that there is not any one club that is an overall dominant club. I think it would have to go year by year to get some sort of scale. Then you might be able to average out. But next season will let us all know who has been training and who has been sitting on couch playing video games. The teams with the lads that are serious about fitness and technical training will show in the 1st half of the game. My guess is there will be a lot of kids that are gassed. But definitely happy if we are not traveling to Florida every other weekend. Lots of competition right here in GA.
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Post by allthingsoccer on Jun 2, 2020 17:22:45 GMT -5
I think NASA will surprise some.
U17-
CF
UFA
NASA
U16
AU (lol)
NASA
CF
UFA
U15
NASA
UFA
CF
U14
NASA
CF
UFA
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Jun 2, 2020 22:12:17 GMT -5
I think NASA will surprise some. U17- CF UFA NASA U16 AU (lol) NASA CF UFA U15 NASA UFA CF U14 NASA CF UFA Agree with most but NASA U14. CF and UFA really improved their talent at that age group In the last 10 days while NASA did next to nothing. NASA was only slightly better than those two in DA last year and if you’re not getting better while everyone else is, you’re getting worse. |
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Post by Lower90 on Jun 3, 2020 6:38:12 GMT -5
Due to the coach, more than a handful of CF DA players from each U14's and U15's teams left to go to other clubs.
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Post by guerillaman on Jun 3, 2020 8:36:20 GMT -5
ECNL u18 should be interesting -- my guess concorde will be top dog.
UFA's u18s isn't even UFA kids, yes they will probably be the majority of their DA team from last season, but I don't even think they will have a single kid on the roster that played u9-u12 academy at UFA -- I could be wrong, but the kids are from KSA, NASA, AFU, Concorde etc --- it's safe to say the coach doesn't care about developing UFA boys, its about bringing in kids from the outside. If your oldest age group isn't even kids from your club, what the hell is the point of youth soccer. Major failure by that coaching staff if no "true" UFA kids are on that u18 roster given the size of that program. We dog AU for doing it, yet UFA is probably the biggest example of abandoning your own players at the older highest levels.
I think they will have 1 field player from their u15 DA team playing on the current ecnl u18 team.... that is failure
Now look at concorde -- i bet over 50% of their u18 roster played at concorde at <= u12.
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Post by onekickpop on Jun 3, 2020 9:33:41 GMT -5
Similar to NASA. They have certainly introduced players from outside (Concorde, Atlanta United, UFA, Smyrna) but there are a significant number of boys who played Jr Academy at NASA and rose through the ranks. I think a few years back more than 70% of Coach Gisperts boys were together from U9/U10 (rumored).
All of these squads will be super competitive as always. Can’t wait to see all of them back on the fields doing what they love!
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Post by mightydawg on Jun 3, 2020 11:27:10 GMT -5
ECNL u18 should be interesting -- my guess concorde will be top dog. UFA's u18s isn't even UFA kids, yes they will probably be the majority of their DA team from last season, but I don't even think they will have a single kid on the roster that played u9-u12 academy at UFA -- I could be wrong, but the kids are from KSA, NASA, AFU, Concorde etc --- it's safe to say the coach doesn't care about developing UFA boys, its about bringing in kids from the outside. If your oldest age group isn't even kids from your club, what the hell is the point of youth soccer. Major failure by that coaching staff if no "true" UFA kids are on that u18 roster given the size of that program. We dog AU for doing it, yet UFA is probably the biggest example of abandoning your own players at the older highest levels. I think they will have 1 field player from their u15 DA team playing on the current ecnl u18 team.... that is failure Now look at concorde -- i bet over 50% of their u18 roster played at concorde at <= u12. Given that the best players at U11 are rarely the best players at U16 and later, is it really all that surprising? This is particularly true when you consider that most clubs focus almost solely on their top teams. As we have discussed, it is difficult to get promoted from a lower team to a higher team at the same club. Most of the time, a kid has to leave the club to get a fresh look. Thrown in the changes that occur with puberty. With these factors being true, it is no surprise to me that a top team at U18 has few, if any, players that originally started at the club. My suspicion is that this is true across almost all clubs that participate in ECNL (or former DA). |
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Post by onekickpop on Jun 3, 2020 12:00:49 GMT -5
If the coaching philosophy is consistent thru the years, movement from DA / ECNL / SCCL should be fluid with players moving up and down through the years and new players being added as needed. If a club/coach is able to define a track record of consistently developing players who are able to stick around through U18 and get scholarships to good schools or spend some time in MLS academy I think that’s a solid program. A successful program that happens to contain players together from U10/U11 and have some success speaks volumes to the coaching. The end goal isn’t to just keep a group together in a display of club unity from Jr Academy on but it’s a pretty good statement if players can continue to be developed over that time and have some success.
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Post by thisonedude on Jun 4, 2020 14:40:38 GMT -5
Just curious if those making predictions are doing so based on knowledge of the various rosters. Seems like it would be tough to predict outcomes based on past performance, given the player movement I've seen with the few clubs I am familiar with. I guess that's why they play the games.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 4, 2020 15:01:53 GMT -5
Just curious if those making predictions are doing so based on knowledge of the various rosters. Seems like it would be tough to predict outcomes based on past performance, given the player movement I've seen with the few clubs I am familiar with. I guess that's why they play the games. I agree with you that you cannot predict. Frankly even if you DO know every kid that moved to and from every club you cannot know how the team will do. Some players just don't mesh well with others or don't mesh will with the coach. Especially at the youth ages where so much else comes into play like growth, distractions, development in addition to injuries and illnesses that affect everyone that plays you cannot predict. |
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Post by footyfan on Jul 1, 2020 10:15:26 GMT -5
Maybe time to change up the rankings
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Post by Lower90 on Jul 1, 2020 10:23:46 GMT -5
Maybe time to change up the rankings WOW! I didn't see this coming. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jul 1, 2020 10:24:55 GMT -5
I guess that says something about the MLS league...
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jul 1, 2020 10:31:06 GMT -5
wait -- time out, huh.....
MLS league must be a bust.
All ages?
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Post by justwatching on Jul 1, 2020 10:35:45 GMT -5
Is it all age groups? I am sure ATL United (or any other MLS club) top teams won't be in ECNL for at least the U15 and U17 ages. Those seem to be the ones that are emphasized in the new MLS League and from a MLS academy standpoint probably the only real ages that matter if there are actually players in the program with professional potential.
Other ages would make sense to be in ECNL. Smaller footprint and expenses for the club to manage. The majority of the development is likely happening at training with games a lower priority so no need to make major investments as a club for games at those ages when there are already existing platforms that can serve it.
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Post by Upper90 on Jul 1, 2020 10:43:57 GMT -5
All age groups for AU will compete in both leagues WITH the exception of U15 & U17 they will compete in only MLS.
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Post by socceristhebest on Jul 1, 2020 10:48:20 GMT -5
I think this is good for youth soccer but shows MLS is a cluster***
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Post by justwatching on Jul 1, 2020 10:50:29 GMT -5
I think this is good for youth soccer but shows MLS is a cluster*** How do you come to that conclusion? |
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Jul 1, 2020 10:57:27 GMT -5
There seems to be a lot of reactions today to a post that has since been deleted. Can someone repost whatever it was that set off these reactions?
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Post by soccergurl on Jul 1, 2020 10:57:37 GMT -5
Maybe time to change up the rankings when is ecnl going to announce this for the girls program(NTH)? |
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Post by flix on Jul 1, 2020 10:59:08 GMT -5
Perhaps those ages groups are playing in ECNL in addition to the MLS academy league? More matches, more development.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jul 1, 2020 10:59:59 GMT -5
Will be interesting to see if other MLS clubs follow suit.
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Jul 1, 2020 11:03:02 GMT -5
What’s the deal??? My feed goes from a June 4 post to reactions about some announcement I’m guessing. What was announced?
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jul 1, 2020 11:04:18 GMT -5
I think this is good for youth soccer but shows MLS is a cluster*** Not saying it is or it isn't but how do you get that from this announcement? This has always been the plan and has been in the works for a while now. Thankfully AU staff n families do a better job of keeping their plans closer to the vest ergo why it seems like a surprise to many. The only reason the 15s and 17s are not fully in the ECNL is because they have the GA Cup and other local and international events & tournaments that would not allow them to participate fully in the ECNL. This is akin to the U12s who play in the SCCL, it is primarily another avenue to give the teams meaningful games locally and regionally, without having to travel far n wide to do so. I mean, even Uncle Arthur wouldn't keep much of his $$$ if he flew 100+ boys all over the country... p.s. It also preserves the local rivalries and the fuel for the forum in regards to who is better 🤭 |
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Jul 1, 2020 11:11:21 GMT -5
Oh okay, got it. Official announcement from AU/ECNL. Good stuff.
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