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Post by atlutd17 on Jun 18, 2020 10:32:12 GMT -5
The good part is the original R3PL results are still on GotSoccer. After looking through it, I think creating SCCL was one of the most brilliant moves in the history of Georgia Soccer. Big 5 were facing massive relegation of 74% of their R3PL teams. Moving to SCCL allowed them to create a new top division. Rebrand and keep all of their teams in that top division while pulling in more of their non-top teams to join them. In the history of Georgia Soccer it has to rank as one of the most brilliant and clever moves ever made. Then convince the rest of the clubs in Georgia Soccer to join them in a league that they control. There is no denying that the management teams running the Big 5 are simply far more brilliant and farsighted that Georgia Soccer or the other Clubs. Big 5 teams that were in R3PL prior to the big move to SCCL: 13U Boys GSA 05B - moved to ECNL (NASA 05 - 2nd division relegated)14U Boys (GSA 04B - relegated from 1st division)15U Boys SSA 03B (UFA 03B - relegated)
(NTH 03B - 2nd division relegated)16U Boys UFA 02B CF 02B (CF Central 02B - relegated)
(NTH 02B - relegated) 17U Boys (GSA South 01B - relegated)
(CF Central 01B - relegated)
(UFA 01B Norcross - 2nd division)
(SSA 01B - 2nd division relegated)
(NTH 01B - 2nd division relegated)
(UFA 01B - 2nd division relegated)
18U Boys UFA CF 13U Girls SSA 05G UFA 05G (NTH - relegated)14U Girls SSA 04G UFA 04G (GSA 04G - relegated)
(CF 04G - relegated)
15U Girls UFA Norcross 03G (UFA 03G - relegated)
(NTH 03G - relegated)16U Girls UFA 02G (NTH - relegated)
(CF - relegated)
(GSA North - relegated)
(GSA South - relegated)
(SSA - relegated)17U Girls (UFA 01G - relegated)
(NTH - relegated)
(CF - relegated)
(GSA North - relegated)
(SSA - 2nd division relegated)
(TH Navy - 2nd division relegated)
(GSA South - 2nd division relegated)
18U Girls (SSA - relegated)
(UFA Milton - relegated)
(UFA - relegated)
(UFA Norcross - relegated)I thought I knew how promotion and relegation works. So you’re saying that in many instances, _far_ more than the usual two teams per table were being relegated? Not even close. It was much harder in RPL then to move up or down, than the typical 2 up 2 down in Classic and Athena. Back then you had to be in the top 3 to stay and either win State Cup or be finalist to move up. It has actually gotten easier since then, with the top 6 in Premier I invited back, and champions of next division down moves up. The rest go back to their states. |
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Post by toddga675 on Jun 18, 2020 10:33:27 GMT -5
The good part is the original R3PL results are still on GotSoccer. After looking through it, I think creating SCCL was one of the most brilliant moves in the history of Georgia Soccer. Big 5 were facing massive relegation of 74% of their R3PL teams. Moving to SCCL allowed them to create a new top division. Rebrand and keep all of their teams in that top division while pulling in more of their non-top teams to join them. In the history of Georgia Soccer it has to rank as one of the most brilliant and clever moves ever made. Then convince the rest of the clubs in Georgia Soccer to join them in a league that they control. There is no denying that the management teams running the Big 5 are simply far more brilliant and farsighted that Georgia Soccer or the other Clubs. Big 5 teams that were in R3PL prior to the big move to SCCL: 13U Boys GSA 05B - moved to ECNL (NASA 05 - 2nd division relegated)14U Boys (GSA 04B - relegated from 1st division)15U Boys SSA 03B (UFA 03B - relegated)
(NTH 03B - 2nd division relegated)16U Boys UFA 02B CF 02B (CF Central 02B - relegated)
(NTH 02B - relegated) 17U Boys (GSA South 01B - relegated)
(CF Central 01B - relegated)
(UFA 01B Norcross - 2nd division)
(SSA 01B - 2nd division relegated)
(NTH 01B - 2nd division relegated)
(UFA 01B - 2nd division relegated)
18U Boys UFA CF 13U Girls SSA 05G UFA 05G (NTH - relegated)14U Girls SSA 04G UFA 04G (GSA 04G - relegated)
(CF 04G - relegated)
15U Girls UFA Norcross 03G (UFA 03G - relegated)
(NTH 03G - relegated)16U Girls UFA 02G (NTH - relegated)
(CF - relegated)
(GSA North - relegated)
(GSA South - relegated)
(SSA - relegated)17U Girls (UFA 01G - relegated)
(NTH - relegated)
(CF - relegated)
(GSA North - relegated)
(SSA - 2nd division relegated)
(TH Navy - 2nd division relegated)
(GSA South - 2nd division relegated)
18U Girls (SSA - relegated)
(UFA Milton - relegated)
(UFA - relegated)
(UFA Norcross - relegated)Very perceptive! This was the biggest reason for them starting SCCL, except, was much better justified to point the finger at the undeniable incompetence of RPL to the parents, and the lack of leadership and support of Georgia Soccer to make a move like starting a new league this bold. They did not lie. They simply highlighted the part of the story that served their purpose. They knew what was coming at tryouts if they didn't do something, and they acted early and swiftly as a group. That's only one of several examples why they own the market. They also did an amazing job with the social media, always have. Truly brilliant. See my previous post on next moves: The big boys have it covered. ECRL would already be here if they had wanted to. Maybe next year -if they want-, or a better plan nobody else sees. One of those big clubs plans light years ahead of everyone else to stay ahead of everyone else, whether is club or league. Club or league, they lead. The other big boys ride with them to keep up, and their relative advantage over everyone else will continue. All the rest of the clubs can do is try to keep up with the big boys but they're at least one level below. This will continue until the great leader who never sleeps moves on. I'll call it for what it is. Follow Concorde in everything they've ever done since becoming Concorde Fire on and off the field. Their power and ability to control their market with just the necessary balance to make it work, has been impressive. The Big 5 have several leaders that are outstanding, however I agree that Gregg Blasingame stands out as the alpha wolf. He has been leading the direction of top level soccer in Georgia for multiple decades. No one compares. When he eventually retires it might be decades before anyone can build up the same level of dominance that he has established. Rather than kissing the ring, Georgia Soccer made a series of moves that put them at odds with the king. And that lead to the inevitable current end. |
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Post by guest on Jun 18, 2020 10:38:48 GMT -5
Yes at that time If you finished 1st or 2nd, you were promoted to top division of R3PL. Everyone else was relegated and the states chose who would be R3PL next season. We never won or got second, so EVERY season we were ‘relegated’ and EVERY season we found ourselves back in.
So let’s not pretend that all the big 5 teams in R3PL sucked and were on the cusp of being in Athena.
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Post by toddga675 on Jun 18, 2020 10:40:08 GMT -5
Yes at that time If you finished 1st or 2nd, you were promoted to top division of R3PL. Everyone else was relegated and the states chose who would be R3PL next season. We never won or got second, so EVERY season we were ‘relegated’ and EVERY season we found ourselves back in. So let’s not pretend that all the big 5 teams in R3PL sucked and were on the cusp of being in Athena. lol except you failed to account for the Athena/Girls impact of going from two divisions to one division that year. The result was going to end vastly different than you propose. |
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Post by guest on Jun 18, 2020 11:01:20 GMT -5
Then you’re comparing apples and oranges. IF it would have gone to one division, which was not decided, then they would have indeed been bumped down to Athena A. But all the Athena A teams would have been bumped down to Athena B. If they didn’t form SCCL then Athena A would have gone back to being a really good division again. Those teams would still have been in the 2nd division of USYS, whether it was called R3PL 2nd division or Athena A. I had heard the rumor of going to one division multiple times and it never came to pass.
Again it goes back to the person who said it was ‘patently false’ that SCCL was formed of R3PL teams. GSA, Concorde, TH and SSA moved from R3PL one season to SCCL the next season. At least in the 02 age, yes every division is different.
What a breath of fresh air it was to play locally those same teams. And to always have fields and refs booked. Had more than one R3PL game in FL cancelled the day of because of not having them. Also we played 14 games not 7 or 9 like in R3PL.
And we never once had a college coach at any of these R3PL games. We were in the 2nd division, maybe the first division teams did. My player was identified, recruited and signed to a GA school out of SCCL. Several other players on our team were as well. No it wasn’t D1 but that didn’t matter to us. Liked the team and coach and will get a free undergrad degree out of the deal.
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Post by Keeper on Jun 18, 2020 11:41:56 GMT -5
And we never once had a college coach at any of these R3PL games. We were in the 2nd division, maybe the first division teams did. My player was identified, recruited and signed to a GA school out of SCCL. Several other players on our team were as well. No it wasn’t D1 but that didn’t matter to us. Liked the team and coach and will get a free undergrad degree out of the deal. Wow I guess R3PL has really changed in the last 4 years because In two years I coached a U17 & U19 we had at least a dozen games with college coaches at. Sometimes same school but they were there watching us and the other teams. And this was First division, not even the Premier. |
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Post by toddga675 on Jun 18, 2020 11:44:37 GMT -5
And we never once had a college coach at any of these R3PL games. We were in the 2nd division, maybe the first division teams did. My player was identified, recruited and signed to a GA school out of SCCL. Several other players on our team were as well. No it wasn’t D1 but that didn’t matter to us. Liked the team and coach and will get a free undergrad degree out of the deal. Wow I guess R3PL has really changed in the last 4 years because In two years I coached a U17 & U19 we had at least a dozen games with college coaches at. Sometimes same school but they were there watching us and the other teams. And this was First division, not even the Premier. I don't think SCCL can compare with R3PL/NL for recruiting opportunities. The new Showcase events in National League should only widen that gap from US Club's SCCL and NPL. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jun 18, 2020 12:37:26 GMT -5
So now college scouts are supposed to go to MORE showcase events? I think most will be lazy and go to the ECNL ones where 70% of last years ECNL and DA teams ended up and likely big ones like visitRaleigh and Disney and equivalents on the west coast. Its not really US Club's SCCL, its Georgia club's SCCL. US Club doesn't likely give a rats ass about SCCL. Also, y'all LOVE filtered facts don't you? All those relegated teams, they would be replaced by better teams from smaller clubs, right? Hold my beer... State cup 2018: soccer.sincsports.com/TTDivisions.aspx?tid=STATEGA&tab=9&sub=2&SYear=2018Big 5 clubs won 10 of the 14 state cup brackets and were finalists in 8 of them. Sounds like they were generally stronger than the competition. And from all those teams from SRPL that would be returned to the state pool, I'm sure some of them would have been placed back into SRPL the following fall. And then we look at who was going to be PROMOTED (only looking at Athena, don't care about classic, big clubs had less presence on the boys side). Fall 2017 brackets: gs-fall17athenaclassicrias.sportsaffinity.com/tour/public/info/accepted_list.asp?sessionguid=&tournamentguid=046D38DA-44DE-42E6-8CEB-31396F9E675E&show=girls
So from the list we saw earlier...
13U Girls SSA 05G
UFA 05G (NTH - relegated)14U Girls SSA 04G
UFA 04G (GSA 04G - relegated)
(CF 04G - relegated)15U Girls UFA Norcross 03G (UFA 03G - relegated - STATE CUP FINALIST) (NTH 03G - NOT relegated? - WON STATE CUP) Concorde Fire Central Elite - PROMOTED - WINNER Athena A16U Girls UFA 02G (NTH - relegated)
(CF - relegated)
(GSA North - relegated)
(GSA South - relegated) (SSA - NOT relegated? - WON STATE CUP)
UFA 02G Red - PROMOTED - WINNER Athena A17U Girls (UFA 01G - relegated)
(NTH - relegated)
(CF - relegated) (GSA North - NOT relegated? - WON STATE CUP) (SSA - 2nd division relegated) (TH Navy - 2nd division relegated - STATE CUP FINALIST) (GSA South - 2nd division relegated) Concorde Fire South Black - PROMOTED - WINNER Athena A18U Girls (SSA - relegated - STATE CUP FINALIST)
(UFA Milton - NOT relegated? - WON STATE CUP) (UFA - relegated)
(UFA Norcross - relegated)
IMO, really, all the small clubs, rather than disparaging SCCL and the big clubs; they should have been thankful the big clubs got out of the way and cleared the way for the smaller clubs to have spots in the newly reformed National League. Why NL was formed right as SCCL was breaking away is a question mark in my mind (a response to the SRPL and other regions breaking away for better platforms?).
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Post by putmeincoach on Jun 18, 2020 12:44:08 GMT -5
So now college scouts are supposed to go to MORE showcase events? I think most will be lazy and go to the ECNL ones where 70% of last years ECNL and DA teams ended up and likely big ones like visitRaleigh and Disney and equivalents on the west coast. Its not really US Club's SCCL, its Georgia club's SCCL. US Club doesn't likely give a rats ass about SCCL. Also, y'all LOVE filtered facts don't you? All those relegated teams, they would be replaced by better teams from smaller clubs, right? Hold my beer... State cup 2018: soccer.sincsports.com/TTDivisions.aspx?tid=STATEGA&tab=9&sub=2&SYear=2018Big 5 clubs won 10 of the 14 state cup brackets and were finalists in 8 of them. Sounds like they were generally stronger than the competition. And from all those teams from SRPL that would be returned to the state pool, I'm sure some of them would have been placed back into SRPL the following fall. And then we look at who was going to be PROMOTED (only looking at Athena, don't care about classic, big clubs had less presence on the boys side). Fall 2017 brackets: gs-fall17athenaclassicrias.sportsaffinity.com/tour/public/info/accepted_list.asp?sessionguid=&tournamentguid=046D38DA-44DE-42E6-8CEB-31396F9E675E&show=girls
So from the list we saw earlier...
13U Girls SSA 05G
UFA 05G (NTH - relegated)14U Girls SSA 04G
UFA 04G (GSA 04G - relegated)
(CF 04G - relegated)15U Girls UFA Norcross 03G (UFA 03G - relegated - STATE CUP FINALIST) (NTH 03G - NOT relegated? - WON STATE CUP) Concorde Fire Central Elite - PROMOTED - WINNER Athena A16U Girls UFA 02G (NTH - relegated)
(CF - relegated)
(GSA North - relegated)
(GSA South - relegated) (SSA - NOT relegated? - WON STATE CUP)
UFA 02G Red - PROMOTED - WINNER Athena A17U Girls (UFA 01G - relegated)
(NTH - relegated)
(CF - relegated) (GSA North - NOT relegated? - WON STATE CUP) (SSA - 2nd division relegated) (TH Navy - 2nd division relegated - STATE CUP FINALIST) (GSA South - 2nd division relegated) Concorde Fire South Black - PROMOTED - WINNER Athena A18U Girls (SSA - relegated - STATE CUP FINALIST)
(UFA Milton - NOT relegated? - WON STATE CUP) (UFA - relegated)
(UFA Norcross - relegated)
IMO, really, all the small clubs, rather than disparaging SCCL and the big clubs; they should have been thankful the big clubs got out of the way and cleared the way for the smaller clubs to have spots in the newly reformed National League. Why NL was formed right as SCCL was breaking away is a question mark in my mind (a response to the SRPL and other regions breaking away for better platforms?).
The good old days when the Big 5 would load up rosters for State Cup with ECNL players!! |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jun 18, 2020 13:00:29 GMT -5
Oops, I meant to put the state cup finalists in yellow for unsure.
And still doesn't change the fact that the Big 5 won half the Athena brackets that fall, meaning some outgoing teams would be replaced by incoming teams.
Again, if the Big 5 were using elite players to win state cup, the rest of GA Soccer should have been EVEN HAPPIER the Big 5 was gone! Yet, they whine about SCCL.
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Jun 18, 2020 13:22:13 GMT -5
I don’t think the Georgia soccer clubs are whining about SCCL at all
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Post by lsagoalie on Jun 18, 2020 13:24:06 GMT -5
I don’t think the Georgia soccer clubs are whining about SCCL at all Totally agree, as one of those smaller clubs, LSA is very happy to have more opportunities to make state cup finals and place teams in NL that does have more direct college showcases than SCCL. Oh and now with being able to put our lower teams in SCCL premier, it’s a win/win for smaller clubs. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jun 18, 2020 13:33:17 GMT -5
There's a downside to that also, what if (for whatever reason) relegation happens? I guess I've been taking ultimatedad as the representative of non-SCCL interests.  |
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Post by atlutd17 on Jun 18, 2020 13:34:41 GMT -5
Very perceptive! This was the biggest reason for them starting SCCL, except, was much better justified to point the finger at the undeniable incompetence of RPL to the parents, and the lack of leadership and support of Georgia Soccer to make a move like starting a new league this bold. They did not lie. They simply highlighted the part of the story that served their purpose. They knew what was coming at tryouts if they didn't do something, and they acted early and swiftly as a group. That's only one of several examples why they own the market. They also did an amazing job with the social media, always have. Truly brilliant. See my previous post on next moves: The big boys have it covered. ECRL would already be here if they had wanted to. Maybe next year -if they want-, or a better plan nobody else sees. One of those big clubs plans light years ahead of everyone else to stay ahead of everyone else, whether is club or league. Club or league, they lead. The other big boys ride with them to keep up, and their relative advantage over everyone else will continue. All the rest of the clubs can do is try to keep up with the big boys but they're at least one level below. This will continue until the great leader who never sleeps moves on. I'll call it for what it is. Follow Concorde in everything they've ever done since becoming Concorde Fire on and off the field. Their power and ability to control their market with just the necessary balance to make it work, has been impressive. The Big 5 have several leaders that are outstanding, however I agree that Gregg Blasingame stands out as the alpha wolf. He has been leading the direction of top level soccer in Georgia for multiple decades. No one compares. When he eventually retires it might be decades before anyone can build up the same level of dominance that he has established. Rather than kissing the ring, Georgia Soccer made a series of moves that put them at odds with the king. And that lead to the inevitable current end. The issue runs deeper and what happened here is nothing compared to what has happened elsewhere. Yes, GA soccer made mistakes, and a series of moves that put them at odds with Blasingame but, that was after they had been kissing his ring for years and creating trust issues with many other clubs. He was smart enough to figure it out, see above the midgets, take advantage of the greater joke called USSF, and fight a winning battle by joining forces. He won the battle. So did some players. Same goes for other directors here and in other states. But in the grand scheme of things, youth soccer has been losing the war nationwide. |
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Post by ultimatedad on Jun 18, 2020 13:38:27 GMT -5
There's a downside to that also, what if (for whatever reason) relegation happens? I guess I've been taking ultimatedad as the representative of non-SCCL interests. |
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Post by ultimatedad on Jun 18, 2020 13:42:00 GMT -5
Just checked in. I for one really miss the larger clubs not being in Georgia Soccer. It was a good measuring stick of how good our small club team was. Being able to beat teams like tophat and ufa and send them down to Athena A gave us great pride.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 18, 2020 13:54:08 GMT -5
Oops, I meant to put the state cup finalists in yellow for unsure.
And still doesn't change the fact that the Big 5 won half the Athena brackets that fall, meaning some outgoing teams would be replaced by incoming teams.
Again, if the Big 5 were using elite players to win state cup, the rest of GA Soccer should have been EVEN HAPPIER the Big 5 was gone! Yet, they whine about SCCL.
Love the hold my beer comment. Btw NTH 05 girls were state Cup finalists as well. Again, like you, not sure if that would have been enough to keep them up especially with the start of DA and that ended up being their ECNL team, but I digress. USA Mt pleasant left for NPL and SSA 05 was going ECNL too so that year would have been a mess to figure out for 05. LSA deserves to stay up. Who knows what would have happened though since NL (RPL) went from being GA, FL, SC to GA, NC, SC? Good point of playing down facts regardless! |
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Post by username on Jun 30, 2020 21:33:08 GMT -5
Looks like they updated the Piedmont today, and as people on here were stating the All In FC girls at 05 and 03 took spots for Georgia.
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Post by Keeper on Jun 30, 2020 23:13:36 GMT -5
Looks like they updated the Piedmont today, and as people on here were stating the All In FC girls at 05 and 03 took spots for Georgia. Yeah and looks like Augusta Arsenal have rejoined GA Soccer and putting their teams back in NL over Carolina’s Sccl Premier East. |
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Post by guest on Jul 1, 2020 5:55:52 GMT -5
Looks like they updated the Piedmont today, and as people on here were stating the All In FC girls at 05 and 03 took spots for Georgia. Yeah and looks like Augusta Arsenal have rejoined GA Soccer and putting their teams back in NL over Carolina’s Sccl Premier East. What a second! Are you saying NL-PC is made up of former SCCL-P teams? *snicker* |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jul 1, 2020 10:15:52 GMT -5
Weird. Were they top of the brackets in SCCL Premier East?
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Post by baller84 on Jul 1, 2020 12:16:43 GMT -5
Yeah and looks like Augusta Arsenal have rejoined GA Soccer and putting their teams back in NL over Carolina’s Sccl Premier East. What a second! Are you saying NL-PC is made up of former SCCL-P teams? *snicker* Do not confuse league level with true team level. SCCL-P East was screwed over. Augusta had some very good teams, better than SCCL-C teams from couple big clubs but the powers that be never gave them a SCCL-C spot. |
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Post by footyfan on Jul 1, 2020 12:17:33 GMT -5
Looks like they updated the Piedmont today, and as people on here were stating the All In FC girls at 05 and 03 took spots for Georgia. Can you provide a link? |
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Post by Keeper on Jul 1, 2020 14:21:58 GMT -5
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Post by Keeper on Jul 1, 2020 14:24:46 GMT -5
Yeah and looks like Augusta Arsenal have rejoined GA Soccer and putting their teams back in NL over Carolina’s Sccl Premier East. What a second! Are you saying NL-PC is made up of former SCCL-P teams? *snicker* Hahaha sure! Though I’m pretty sure those AA teams destroyed a lot of those Carolina SCCL P1 teams. They had no business playing in P1, and I they should have been brought into SCCL. |
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Jul 1, 2020 14:48:09 GMT -5
Yes, very true and yes SCCL and piedmont NL are both decent leagues so let’s not rehash this conversation and have another pissing contest.
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Post by guest on Jul 1, 2020 15:30:48 GMT -5
Yes, very true and yes SCCL and piedmont NL are both decent leagues so let’s not rehash this conversation and have another pissing contest. Sorry! Schadenfreude is a very powerful force. |
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Post by honeybadger on Jul 2, 2020 20:34:44 GMT -5
JumpJumpKeep311, relax man. Take a breath. Let the 03 and 05 teams see how they do and then judge them.
To lsagoalie or whatever the name is: I like the YMCA joke about All-In. That's good stuff. Good news is your team will get to play our 05 YMCA team from ALL-In this fall. Since we are one step above rec according to soccermax, it should be an easy win for LSA.
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Jul 3, 2020 8:49:33 GMT -5
You misinterpreted me. Since you all are bringing a team of Atlanta Fire/UFA kids over to All in FC the 03 and 05 teams should be competitive in piedmont BUT those are NOT true All in teams. Allin in DID NOT on the field earn those spots with their results on the field. All in FC is an Athena B/C level club on their own. The 03 and 05 altlanaallinnorcross FC teams are outliers
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Post by honeybadger on Jul 3, 2020 10:22:23 GMT -5
I hear you soccermax72. I'm just saying that coaches move to new clubs every year and "kids" follow the coach because they like the coach. TH , CF does it all the time. For some reason, 3-4 people on here seem to have an issue with me personally when I didn't do anything but allow my daughter to decide which way to go. Don't care what anyone says, I followed the best option for my girl. The joke about YMCA doesn't bother me at all. I thought it was humorous when lsagoaliemom from the LSA 05 team laughed at that joke since we will get to play her 05 team this fall. And assuming that lsagoalie means shes a GK parent kinda narrows down who she is -since one of the two LSA keepers got their release yesterday from LSA and is JOINING our 05 YMCA team just gave me a chuckle. I wasn't trying to be mean spirited or anything--sometimes what's in my head and what hits my keyboard sound different:)  I'll say this, there isn't a "may be competitive" option. They WILL be very competitive. But take any club age group team and check back over a three year period----it's probably a combination of 3-4 clubs of kids who have gravitated to them. So no club is a "pure club" anymore. Kids don't usually stay at the same club for 7 years. I may be 100% wrong, but pick a U16-U18 team at Tophat. Is it really a "Tophat Team" or a "TH/CF/UFA/AFU" team? How many of those TH U18's were at TH at U9? Maybe all of them but I doubt it. I just look forward to playing LSA 05 team this fall. They may beat us, I have no clue. But they will NOT be playing a YMCA team:) |
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