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Post by Brinker on Sept 29, 2020 17:55:09 GMT -5
Any thoughts/opinions from the forum?
Not really it seems. At least at certain ages, it sounds like they are playing friendlies only. |
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Post by soccernotfootball on Sept 29, 2020 21:56:38 GMT -5
It's friendlies... games don't count in the standings. Teams get to play AU and they get competitive matches. Win-win for everyone.
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Post by guerillaman on Oct 3, 2020 21:11:38 GMT -5
The ecnl app now has some results for some Atlanta United teams in the standings.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Oct 4, 2020 9:17:34 GMT -5
The ecnl app now has some results for some Atlanta United teams in the standings. Thanks for the heads up, it looks like they only have results for the U16s and U19s I wonder if they are the only ones that count. If they do count how come AU only has 1 or 2 games when everyone else has 5, 6, 7+ games under their belt? |
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Post by Brinker on Oct 4, 2020 10:42:19 GMT -5
The ecnl app now has some results for some Atlanta United teams in the standings. Thanks for the heads up, it looks like they only have results for the U16s and U19s I wonder if they are the only ones that count. If they do count how come AU only has 1 or 2 games when everyone else has 5, 6, 7+ games under their belt? I believe MLS had COVID restrictions that would not allow their academics to play, so they only started games recently. |
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Post by vinrock23 on Oct 5, 2020 15:54:40 GMT -5
My sons Team GSA Boys ECNL 2006 just played AU 2007's and won 4-1 should have been more. Absolutely for the benefit of AU playing up. The GSA Boys ECNL 2007 played the AU 2008's and crushed them 6-1 and could have been more. Doesn't make sense to even play them.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Oct 6, 2020 4:08:13 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing results of GSA U14s and U15s. Do you happen to know the results of the GSA U16s, U17s, U18s, etc...?
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Post by flix on Oct 6, 2020 8:36:03 GMT -5
My sons Team GSA Boys ECNL 2006 just played AU 2007's and won 4-1 should have been more. Absolutely for the benefit of AU playing up. The GSA Boys ECNL 2007 played the AU 2008's and crushed them 6-1 and could have been more. Doesn't make sense to even play them. Wow, that’s an interesting take. Your son’s team played a squad a year younger than you. You scored most of the goals against “the nonstarters”. Second half you got one goal off a mistake. “Should have been more”, why wasn’t it? I see your team lost 3-0 to Alabama at your own age group, a three goal loss..... same as the AU match. As far as the other match, everybody plays at AU. The second half was entirely different from the first because GSA really didn’t do much dubbing while everybody played for AU. They were not crushed although the score would indicate so as it was 2-1 at half. All GSA does it kick and run. They were a lot bigger and faster but their style of football is not my choice. If AU were to play straight up with their best players, another story. I really don’t understand the comment about it doesn’t make sense to even play them. GSA 14’s have won matches against their own age group by 6-1 AFU, 8-3 FC Alliance, 5-1 FC Alliance and 6-0 Chattanooga. All those scores are similar to the 6-1 against u13’s (who weren’t only playing their best players). I think that’s very funny to make a comment like that when you didn’t beat your own age group. Yes, you “won” the match against younger boys due to being bigger, faster and stronger but don’t get it misconstrued that you all are playing sparkling football. |
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Post by hammertime on Oct 6, 2020 17:02:39 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing results of GSA U14s and U15s. Do you happen to know the results of the GSA U16s, U17s, U18s, etc...? Only score that is posted is a 2-2 GSA and AU draw for the GSA U16s vs. an AU team. No idea if that was the AU U16s, U15s, U14s but doubt it was U16 vs U16 unless AU played the bottom of their roster. And still would have thought they would've won given GSA's start to the season (2-3-2). Still not sure how this whole AU thing plays out as far as teams advancing to ECNL Playoffs. If, for example, they play their U16s straight up against Concorde Fire, UFA, NASA and their U15s against Alabama (who I'm told beat Platinum 1-0 despite a wishful 0-0 being reported), GSA and ATL Fire I would think that wouldn't be fair to compare those games against each other in the overall standings. Weird situation that nobody seems to really understand. |
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Post by soccergurl on Oct 6, 2020 18:24:13 GMT -5
My sons Team GSA Boys ECNL 2006 just played AU 2007's and won 4-1 should have been more( u have 2 score 4 it 2 count). Absolutely for the benefit of AU playing up. The GSA Boys ECNL 2007 played the AU 2008's and crushed them 6-1 and could have been more( u have 2 score 4 it 2 count). Doesn't make sense to even play them. |
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Post by Brinker on Oct 6, 2020 18:33:47 GMT -5
My sons Team GSA Boys ECNL 2006 just played AU 2007's and won 4-1 should have been more. Absolutely for the benefit of AU playing up. The GSA Boys ECNL 2007 played the AU 2008's and crushed them 6-1 and could have been more. Doesn't make sense to even play them. This is problematic as AU brought their 2007s and some 06s to play CF 2007s. CF lost and it appears these games count in the standings. Some ECNL teams are getting lucky to play the younger AU kids while others play the at-age kids. This skews the ECNL standings. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 6, 2020 19:00:32 GMT -5
Yea looks like these games do in fact count.
Someone from Concorde needs to dig into this more
Also - it’s hard to tell what they are doing given the players listed are a mix of ages for each team, but bio- banding is not allowed from my understanding and if these games truly count for standings - this is problematic for the integrity of the league.
In addition i personally don’t think it’s right to show up for a game and truly have no idea what team/age group your playing against.
Are they playing any 05s with 06s also?
Have they played the 06s with the 07s in multiple games.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Oct 6, 2020 19:31:45 GMT -5
MLSNext may be a better platform for what they're trying to do.
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Post by atv on Oct 7, 2020 8:19:50 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing results of GSA U14s and U15s. Do you happen to know the results of the GSA U16s, U17s, U18s, etc...? Only score that is posted is a 2-2 GSA and AU draw for the GSA U16s vs. an AU team. No idea if that was the AU U16s, U15s, U14s but doubt it was U16 vs U16 unless AU played the bottom of their roster. And still would have thought they would've won given GSA's start to the season (2-3-2). Still not sure how this whole AU thing plays out as far as teams advancing to ECNL Playoffs. If, for example, they play their U16s straight up against Concorde Fire, UFA, NASA and their U15s against Alabama (who I'm told beat Platinum 1-0 despite a wishful 0-0 being reported), GSA and ATL Fire I would think that wouldn't be fair to compare those games against each other in the overall standings. Weird situation that nobody seems to really understand. That U16 GSA team is NOT very good. AU should have handled them. |
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Post by Lower90 on Oct 7, 2020 10:19:30 GMT -5
What is going on with ECNL and Atlanta United? If true some clubs are playing AU same age groups, while others clubs are playing younger teams. These games should not count. And looking at the ECNL website AU teams are now listed in the standings when those teams before were not.
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Post by secretecnlhuman on Oct 8, 2020 7:28:54 GMT -5
Hum -- let's get this straight.
Atlanta United recruits the best players in the southeast.
They are bringing in kids from All over the south.
They have the biggest players in the age groups, the best players in the age groups, the fastest players in the age groups.
If these games count towards a standings and formal structure in the ECNL -- this is flat out cheating and blatant grounds for forfeits and point deductions. There is absolutely no reason for them to be biobanding kids in a league that doesn't allow biobanding.
What advantage are they going to want next - mandate the opposition has to play a man down because it's better for their players development?
At the end of the day, none of this matters, but that is exactly why you don't violate the rules. They are there for a reason -- simple, don't cheat.
the question is this -- is anyone at Concorde or another opposing team so far, looking deeper into this? If this is true, and these games "count" -- this is a gross misconduct.
They are making a mockery of the league at this point.
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Post by bogan on Oct 8, 2020 8:24:52 GMT -5
For some reason I keep thinking about the Harlem Globetrotters and the. Washington Generals. 🤷🏻♂️
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Post by Keeper on Oct 8, 2020 12:03:49 GMT -5
Jeez all this conspiracy talk explains why there’s an aluminum foil shortage...
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Post by secretecnlhuman on Oct 10, 2020 16:48:41 GMT -5
Any more cheating this weekend?
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Post by soccernotfootball on Oct 10, 2020 19:21:37 GMT -5
Any team - AU, GSA, UFA - can run out 08s in u14 if they choose. That's not cheating. If someone did run out 06s for a u14 game... that's another story.
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Post by Brinker on Oct 10, 2020 19:27:10 GMT -5
Any team - AU, GSA, UFA - can run out 08s in u14 if they choose. That's not cheating. If someone did run out 06s for a u14 game... that's another story. AU literally did run out bio banded 06s for a U14 ECNL game against CF, when bio banding is not allowed in that league. Another issue is that AU is using 08s in some ECNL games and 07s in others. The games count in the standings and it skews that actual standings. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Oct 10, 2020 20:15:12 GMT -5
AU likely doesn't care much about league results. They toy with things as they see fit it seems. I would guess the club is likely looking 3-4 years down the road while everyone else is looking at the trees as they pass by. Which is why their games should not count in ECNL standings. Regarding bio-banding, if it happened and theres proof, the results can be contested I'm sure. I doubt AU would care if the game results were forfeited. I think ECNL is merely a stepping-stone from DA to the next phase of MLS Academy soccer.
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Post by bogan on Oct 10, 2020 20:25:42 GMT -5
AU likely doesn't care much about league results. They toy with things as they see fit it seems. I would guess the club is likely looking 3-4 years down the road while everyone else is looking at the trees as they pass by. Which is why their games should not count in ECNL standings. Regarding bio-banding, if it happened and theres proof, the results can be contested I'm sure. I doubt AU would care if the game results were forfeited. I think ECNL is merely a stepping-stone from DA to the next phase of MLS Academy soccer. Yeah-I doubt AU will be in ECNL that long... |
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Post by secretecnlhuman on Oct 10, 2020 20:45:40 GMT -5
MLS will only be successful if they add strong youth teams without first teams. And they have to treat them as equals.
Say what you want the quality of the Ecnl is not the same as DA.
It’s probably a lot to do with the Alabama and Tennessee teams being week and style of play.
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Post by soccerdad76 on Oct 10, 2020 23:04:17 GMT -5
Any team - AU, GSA, UFA - can run out 08s in u14 if they choose. That's not cheating. If someone did run out 06s for a u14 game... that's another story. AU literally did run out bio banded 06s for a U14 ECNL when bio banding is not allowed in that league. Another issue you are missing is that AU is using 08s in some ECNL games and 07s in others. The games count in the standings and it skews that actual standings. Doesn’t AU run the risk of having worse standings if they play kids/teams up? Seems like they’d be doing other clubs a favor the more they play up. If they are eligible they can play their age or up on any given day. Bio banding is another story of course. |
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Post by Brinker on Oct 11, 2020 5:32:33 GMT -5
AU literally did run out bio banded 06s for a U14 ECNL when bio banding is not allowed in that league. Another issue you are missing is that AU is using 08s in some ECNL games and 07s in others. The games count in the standings and it skews that actual standings. Doesn’t AU run the risk of having worse standings if they play kids/teams up? Seems like they’d be doing other clubs a favor the more they play up. If they are eligible they can play their age or up on any given day. Bio banding is another story of course. Yes you are correct that AU will hurt themselves in the standing by playing underage kids and I guess they don’t care about ECNL standings. The point I am making is at U14 ECNL they send at-age and older kids against CF and then send their 08s against GSA or the out of state teams, which means CF suffers a loss in the standings while GSA gets a relatively easy win ... this skews the U14 standings because CF and GSA did not play the same team. |
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Post by soccernotfootball on Oct 11, 2020 10:18:43 GMT -5
You play the team opposite you on the field. If AU wants to play up kids... nothing says they can't. Same with UFA, GSA, etc.
AU has played kids up from the beginning. They did it in DA, they do it in ECNL, and in MLS Next. The only thing to see here is if they "bio-banded" kids.
I don't have a problem with it but if it's not allowed in the ECNL rules, then that's a problem.
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Post by bogan on Oct 11, 2020 11:20:50 GMT -5
You play the team opposite you on the field. If AU wants to play up kids... nothing says they can't. Same with UFA, GSA, etc. AU has played kids up from the beginning. They did it in DA, they do it in ECNL, and in MLS Next. The only thing to see here is if they "bio-banded" kids. I don't have a problem with it but if it's not allowed in the ECNL rules, then that's a problem. It would be interesting to know if the league and clubs knew AUs plans before the season started. Maybe there was a communication issue. Seems like this drama would all (mostly) go away if the games were labeled scrimmages. |
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Post by atlsoccerdad on Oct 11, 2020 15:55:52 GMT -5
Anyone have any information on the AU Tournament this fall?
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Oct 11, 2020 20:01:49 GMT -5
Doesn’t AU run the risk of having worse standings if they play kids/teams up? Seems like they’d be doing other clubs a favor the more they play up. If they are eligible they can play their age or up on any given day. Bio banding is another story of course. The point I am making is at U14 ECNL they send at-age and older kids against CF and then send their 08s against GSA or the out of state teams, which means CF suffers a loss in the standings while GSA gets a relatively easy win ... this skews the U14 standings because CF and GSA did not play the same team. First off I can't believe we're still "discussing" what AU is or isn't doing. So I figured I'd join in and give my 2 1/2 cents. So from what a couple of folks with kids at AU have deduced, AU plays age vs age when the team is considered good. They have a younger age group play if they don't consider the opponent good. Now, other than a team who will give them a legitimate challenge, don't ask me what good is. I would also like to add that this is per team, not per club. The goal is to get their kids playing against the highest level team they can find given the circumstances. In regards to the playing up - YES. You can play up a player if feel they are capable. AU has played players as much as two age groups up and I've heard of 3 age groups but someone else can confirm. In regards to the "Bio-Banding" issue that has raised the ire of some. How do we know the coaches/clubs didn't discuss prior to? Also I hear in ECNL you can have up to 2 trap players, play down from the U15s to U14s because they are young U15s and the whole same age but not in High School thing. Yes, I was also told that would normally be in the spring season but again, it's not a far fetched palaver AU may be expediting this in the fall versus the spring. If any rules were broken, I'm sure the clubs affected would take the appropriate steps to rectify that situation to disqualify AU and make the outcome null n void. Curiously, we've not heard of CF or any other club in this situation kicking up a storm 🤔 A couple of coaches I spoke to confirmed knowing who and what aged group team they will be playing against when they play AU. |
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