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Post by bogan on Aug 4, 2020 17:04:17 GMT -5
“Watching the MLS tournament in Orlando , you get to realize how far down the states are in the standard of their players
If this is the top league here in America I am very disappointed
With the lockdown I’ve managed to watch many different leagues that I usually wouldn’t
From what I’ve seen the MLS is even below the Norwegian league and probably just above the National conference league ( non league ) in England.”
Phillip Burns-1st Team GC Coach, SanDiego1904.
Agree or disagree?
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Post by baller84 on Aug 4, 2020 21:14:38 GMT -5
“Watching the MLS tournament in Orlando , you get to realize how far down the states are in the standard of their players If this is the top league here in America I am very disappointed With the lockdown I’ve managed to watch many different leagues that I usually wouldn’t From what I’ve seen the MLS is even below the Norwegian league and probably just above the National conference league ( non league ) in England.” Phillip Burns-1st Team GC Coach, SanDiego1904. Agree or disagree? I watched quite a few MLS is back matches as well, but didn't change my view before the pandemic. The problem with the MLS clubs is not so much the top 2-4 players (not necessarily all DPs). The problem is the bottom half of the starters lacking enough quality to make MLS a top tier league, let alone the lack of depth. The current setup is good for parity, but not for growth or improvement of a team due to the salary cap. You also need to have a heck of a front office and coach/manager to select AND attract the right players for the money available. Most teams don't. And good coaches can improve teams only up to the players max potential. The MLS can not be a top 10 league in the world anytime soon, but are in the top 25 leagues now, all things considered. But for me, and for the price of admission, that's not good enough. |
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Post by liverpoolfc on Aug 4, 2020 21:20:49 GMT -5
Top 25? you're joking right, I can name 30 leagues that are better than MLS, even South African league is way better and stronger that MLS...
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Aug 6, 2020 9:47:50 GMT -5
Nashville, which was withdrawn from the MLS is Back tournament in Orlando due to multiple players testing positive for COVID-19, is slated to play FC Dallas twice in Texas between Aug. 12-15 and once in Nashville at a later date. Both clubs were removed from the tournament after NSC had nine positive coronavirus cases and Dallas had 10. The three-match series would help both sides make up those lost points. The rest of the league would resume its regular season in home markets beginning on Friday, Aug. 21... - Michael Gallagher
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Post by atlutd17 on Aug 6, 2020 11:54:58 GMT -5
Top 25? you're joking right, I can name 30 leagues that are better than MLS, even South African league is way better and stronger that MLS... Come on, that's a little harsh. While is true the MLS has a long way to go, it's not THAT bad. There are and have been some top level players in the MLS, those other leagues have never seen or could ever afford to. The moment a talented player from Africa or South America is valued over 2M they'll jump to a mid European or a top South American league or the MLS. European recruits and player managers are all over Africa in particular. And it's always the middle East, Japan and China that will pay ridiculous money for famous players close to retirement, that the MLS will no longer touch. |
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Post by rifle on Aug 7, 2020 15:16:54 GMT -5
It’s slowly getting better every year in spite of the league’s silly structure.
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Post by bogan on Aug 7, 2020 15:48:54 GMT -5
It’s slowly getting better every year in spite of the league’s silly structure. It would get better faster if we had pro/rel. |
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Post by rifle on Aug 8, 2020 16:52:21 GMT -5
It’s slowly getting better every year in spite of the league’s silly structure. It would get better faster if we had pro/rel. No doubt whatsoever. An open soccer pyramid with regional lower divisions would trigger an explosion of interest. All the youth clubs and coaches would be able to participate and the best ones would be recognized for doing good work. The “American” standard of a caste system for pro sports is all about control. For fans P/R would be huge. And once it is eventually realized in soccer - it’ll likely revolutionize other sports as well. Imagine college football with P/R.. Every game between opponents of a comparable level. Ever notice that PGA tour players are pretty good? |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Aug 11, 2020 6:56:46 GMT -5
How the MLS is Back Tournament prize pool is broken up by club
As the MLS is Back Tournament wraps up with Tuesday’s Final presented by Wells Fargo, the $1.1 million prize pool will also be divvied up (8:30 pm ET | ESPN, ESPN Deportes in US; TSN, TVAS2 in Canada). As first reported by the Canadian Press, either the Portland Timbers or Orlando City will be heading home with $300,000 in winnings. The runner-up is slated to receive $150,000, so there’s still a decent return even if the trophy and 2021 Concacaf Champions League spot both prove elusive. There’s even a bonus for the two semifinalist clubs, Minnesota United and Philadelphia Union, as they’ll each receive $100,000. The quarter-finalists who placed fifth through eighth are getting $47,500 each. Those teams are LAFC, NYCFC, the San Jose Earthquakes and Sporting Kansas City.
For making the Round of 16, eight different teams earned $20,000. They are the following: FC Cincinnati, Columbus Crew SC, Montreal Impact, New England Revolution, Real Salt Lake, Seattle Sounders, Toronto FC and the Vancouver Whitecaps. To round out the prize pool, each group-stage win resulted in $14,000. That means that of the 24 teams participating, everyone except for the following took home at least some money: Atlanta United, Colorado Rapids, D.C. United, Houston Dynamo, Inter Miami and LA Galaxy. Those clubs were all winless and went home early. Two clubs, FC Dallas and Nashville SC, were withdrawn due to the COVID-19 pandemic and thus didn't win any chunk of the $1.1 million prize pool.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Aug 11, 2020 7:22:11 GMT -5
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 11, 2020 7:40:26 GMT -5
Heard nothing -- but if I were an mls club I would be looking to move my youth academy far away from my first team as possible. I understand the academy kids don't come in contact with the first team often, but here you have many u19s training with the usl team etc. Does the USL team also train at the same time as the first team? I'd want my first team as isolated from everyone else as possible is my point. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Aug 11, 2020 7:45:28 GMT -5
no fans for the first batch of games.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Aug 11, 2020 9:15:41 GMT -5
Heard nothing -- but if I were an mls club I would be looking to move my youth academy far away from my first team as possible. I understand the academy kids don't come in contact with the first team often, but here you have many u19s training with the usl team etc. Does the USL team also train at the same time as the first team? I'd want my first team as isolated from everyone else as possible is my point. This is true and the smart play for sure to protect both the first and second teams. From what i'm hearing AU has already wisely put teams and groups into separate silos. No interacting outside of those silos. Separate trainers, physios, coaching and auxiliary staff. So take TA, who is the Academy Director. Because he is also the current AU2 boss and interacts with the first team, he cannot interact with the players and staff of the Academy silos. Additionally, the further up the food-chain you are the more testing is occurring. I've heard for some it is upwards of every other day... |
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Post by ball2futbol on Aug 11, 2020 22:25:50 GMT -5
Anyone else catch the MLS commissioner interview at halftime tonight, saying the Nashville vs Dallas match will be played with fans in attendance?
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Post by rifle on Aug 12, 2020 5:38:03 GMT -5
Anyone else catch the MLS commissioner interview at halftime tonight, saying the Nashville vs Dallas match will be played with fans in attendance? I guess their billionaires don’t have enough digits to float the team costs. Anybody know if uncle Arthur is still paying MBS event workers? It’s surely getting expensive with zero game day revenue. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Aug 26, 2020 19:24:48 GMT -5
AU game going the way of the NBA playoffs???😬
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Post by soccerfan30 on Aug 26, 2020 20:37:12 GMT -5
AU game going the way of the NBA playoffs???😬 Yes.... four of the .atches were boycotted/postponed. Orlando and Nashville elected to play |
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Post by hawkfan on Aug 26, 2020 21:23:12 GMT -5
Also means we can choose to not watch any more games...
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Post by abcd1234 on Aug 26, 2020 21:33:00 GMT -5
Or get a refund on your season tix and not renew.
That’s what I decided to do and glad I did. I’m agnostic in these political issues and I want my entertainment to be fun.
Seems I’m not alone as AU is losing Instagram followers big time.
What a shame. Great job. You killed the goose that laid the golden egg.
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Post by soccergurl on Aug 26, 2020 22:32:39 GMT -5
Or get a refund on your season tix and not renew. That’s what I decided to do and glad I did. I’m agnostic in these political issues and I want my entertainment to be fun. Seems I’m not alone as AU is losing Instagram followers big time. What a shame. Great job. You killed the goose that laid the golden egg. Goose what happened to Uncle Arthur? |
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Post by soccerfan30 on Aug 26, 2020 22:37:34 GMT -5
Or get a refund on your season tix and not renew. That’s what I decided to do and glad I did. I’m agnostic in these political issues and I want my entertainment to be fun. Seems I’m not alone as AU is losing Instagram followers big time. What a shame. Great job. You killed the goose that laid the golden egg. You must be new to soccer and sports I'm general, soccer has ALWAYS been political from the Franco regime, to Catalonian independence, Protestants vs Catholics, elites vs working class, etc soccer has always been wrapped in politics. From John Carlos, Tommie Smith, Jim Brown, Ali, Billie Jean King, Pat Tillman, Colin Kaepernick, Lebron James...athletes have always spoken up in regards to politics and human rights issues. It's amazing that people only have a problem with it when the person speaking doesn't look like them or doesn't agree with their political biases. If Ted Nugent and Kid Rock can make awful music and not have to "stick to music" athletes shouldn't be expected to "stick to sports" either. |
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Post by abcd1234 on Aug 26, 2020 23:03:11 GMT -5
Or get a refund on your season tix and not renew. That’s what I decided to do and glad I did. I’m agnostic in these political issues and I want my entertainment to be fun. Seems I’m not alone as AU is losing Instagram followers big time. What a shame. Great job. You killed the goose that laid the golden egg. You must be new to soccer and sports I'm general, soccer has ALWAYS been political from the Franco regime, to Catalonian independence, Protestants vs Catholics, elites vs working class, etc soccer has always been wrapped in politics. From John Carlos, Tommie Smith, Jim Brown, Ali, Billie Jean King, Pat Tillman, Colin Kaepernick, Lebron James...athletes have always spoken up in regards to politics and human rights issues. It's amazing that people only have a problem with it when the person speaking doesn't look like them or doesn't agree with their political biases. If Ted Nugent and Kid Rock can make awful music and not have to "stick to music" athletes shouldn't be expected to "stick to sports" either. Dig deep, bro. Dig deep. |
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Post by Keeper on Aug 26, 2020 23:09:50 GMT -5
Or get a refund on your season tix and not renew. That’s what I decided to do and glad I did. I’m agnostic in these political issues and I want my entertainment to be fun. Seems I’m not alone as AU is losing Instagram followers big time. What a shame. Great job. You killed the goose that laid the golden egg. You must be new to soccer and sports I'm general, soccer has ALWAYS been political from the Franco regime, to Catalonian independence, Protestants vs Catholics, elites vs working class, etc soccer has always been wrapped in politics. From John Carlos, Tommie Smith, Jim Brown, Ali, Billie Jean King, Pat Tillman, Colin Kaepernick, Lebron James...athletes have always spoken up in regards to politics and human rights issues. It's amazing that people only have a problem with it when the person speaking doesn't look like them or doesn't agree with their political biases. If Ted Nugent and Kid Rock can make awful music and not have to "stick to music" athletes shouldn't be expected to "stick to sports" either. Ohh so it would be like expecting our politicians to actually govern and pass laws and work for the people, but instead they want to take vacations during pandemics and spend every weekend at the golf course. |
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Post by ball2futbol on Aug 26, 2020 23:10:06 GMT -5
Or get a refund on your season tix and not renew. That’s what I decided to do and glad I did. I’m agnostic in these political issues and I want my entertainment to be fun. Seems I’m not alone as AU is losing Instagram followers big time. What a shame. Great job. You killed the goose that laid the golden egg. “I want my entertainment to be fun” - sounds like their mission was accomplished. |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Aug 27, 2020 7:54:57 GMT -5
Or get a refund on your season tix and not renew. That’s what I decided to do and glad I did. I’m agnostic in these political issues and I want my entertainment to be fun. Seems I’m not alone as AU is losing Instagram followers big time. What a shame. Great job. You killed the goose that laid the golden egg. You must be new to soccer and sports I'm general, soccer has ALWAYS been political from the Franco regime, to Catalonian independence, Protestants vs Catholics, elites vs working class, etc soccer has always been wrapped in politics. From John Carlos, Tommie Smith, Jim Brown, Ali, Billie Jean King, Pat Tillman, Colin Kaepernick, Lebron James...athletes have always spoken up in regards to politics and human rights issues. It's amazing that people only have a problem with it when the person speaking doesn't look like them or doesn't agree with their political biases. If Ted Nugent and Kid Rock can make awful music and not have to "stick to music" athletes shouldn't be expected to "stick to sports" either. Couldn't have said it better myself. I have had some interesting and very heated text exchanges with friends over this exact issue - when they give me the "these players need to stick to sports" and "keep the politics out of sports", I tell them they just don't like what's being said, not that the athletes are speaking up about issues. They go ballistic on me. |
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Post by cantgetright on Aug 27, 2020 8:02:03 GMT -5
Sorry, I strongly disagree. Athletes should not be able to protest at their "job". If I did, I would be fired and I am sure that would happen to most if not all of us non-athletes. If they want to protest, they should do it on their own time and their own dime.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 27, 2020 9:58:12 GMT -5
Ohh so it would be like expecting our politicians to actually govern and pass laws and work for the people, but instead they want to take vacations during pandemics and spend every weekend at the golf course. They do:
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Post by ball2futbol on Aug 27, 2020 9:59:50 GMT -5
Not sure I agree but do respect your opinion. But these aren't individual stances. There's always power in numbers within all jobs and organizations, prime example: teachers and police unions. If you're in the top 1% of what you do professionally (like these athletes) you have unimaginable leverage.
BTW... love the handle #cantgetright CLASSIC!
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Post by Keeper on Aug 27, 2020 10:08:53 GMT -5
Ohh so it would be like expecting our politicians to actually govern and pass laws and work for the people, but instead they want to take vacations during pandemics and spend every weekend at the golf course. They do:
Wow that’s all you got? Keep reaching and reeking of desperation. |
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Post by Keeper on Aug 27, 2020 10:12:53 GMT -5
Sorry, I strongly disagree. Athletes should not be able to protest at their "job". If I did, I would be fired and I am sure that would happen to most if not all of us non-athletes. If they want to protest, they should do it on their own time and their own dime. So just because you don’t have the right they shouldn’t? But then they’re held to a extremely higher standard as role models and public officials but can only use their status to appease the status quo. Weak argument. |
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