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Post by 04gparent on Jul 25, 2020 11:45:29 GMT -5
The bigger issue with all of this is - while I appreciate the governing bodies giving every state and county the ability to run their local governments the way they think is best (because that is truly one of the beautiful things about our republic democracy), it is causing a problem for sports and in all honesty, I don't see how any league, any doc, any coach or any parent can truly make the decisions necessary Two examples: Teams in other sports have had children 'exposed' and the rest of the team that was around said child have been told to self quarantine for 14 days. (no, the exposed child had not been tested but was 'presumed' positive and the other kids were automatically told to self quarantine) Teams in local soccer have had children 'exposed' and the rest of the team 'told' but not told to self quarantine Now, let's think about that in terms of a season. Let's say two clubs - oh, I don't know UFA and AFU have an ECNL game - girls or boys (doesn't matter) and one of the players has been exposed (and this is discovered befrore/after the game). What happens? Do they forfeit (if identified before)? Postpone the game? Both teams self quarantine (if discovered before/during/after)? What about the games for other teams they are supposed to play during the quarantine? AND - does everyone have to get tested? If they do get tested, how many negative tests do they need before they can return to play - AND WHO DETERMINES THAT - does the club, the DOC - or local authorities - and which ones - is that by the state, county, city? Because it seems like we have different thoughts across the state.... and before that - what about tournaments? AND - has anyone heard how many parents can actually watch the game and is it broken down per team. Based on my math (which I've tried common core and old school) - I'm not thinking either team at a soccer game can allow even one parent for each player to be on the sidelines - the 'social distancing' isn't enough space - though I guess you could get away with it if everyone is 'wearing a mask' Look, I'm all for playing soccer and going to school (and my kid is doing both). But no one is really thinking this through based on the guidelines we have and the impacts it could have especially if someone is forced into self quarantine and my gut tells me some people want to play so badly, they'll ignore the signs and symptoms and sit on the sidelines sick or put their kid on the field. I think all that you have said is valid including people willing to put themselves, their kids and others at risk. One of the local tournaments that I signed our team to play has on their COVID policy that they "suggest" one parent per player attend. Whether this will happen with a suggestion I seriously doubt. I DO think it could work at fields if people do not sit all in a straight line next to the sideline. If people stagger it could work. I think to forfeit games due to COVID exposure would be a very bad idea because it is a disincentive to be respectful of the safety of your team and others. I do not think the public health authorities will get involved directly in determining the quarantining policies for "exposed" teammates and the like because of the fact that they are overwhelmed with the numbers and can't do contact tracing etc. They can help set the policies that the teams, leagues etc follow. The enforcement of such is probably on the league and the club. We already had to do the quarantine due to a positive teammate. Let me give you some info as to how it went down without giving names or the correct dates but I will give you the scenario. Day 1 teammates all together at a training. Day 6 teammate gets tested because her dad is positive. Day 10 teammate finds out she is positive and we are told. Now luckily the last time the kids were together was day 1 because they had the following week off training together. Day 11 my kid gets her rapid test (done because if she was positive I did not want her spreading it to everyone and because on day 10 when we got the email we were eating dinner with her grandparents). Luckily my kid is negative. She forgoes her scheduled private trainer until day 15 (her team's trainings were canceled until day 22 which was 2 weeks after teammate got tested). Next week is team camp. I do not know if the positive teammate, who was asymptomatic, is allowed back yet because I do not know if they are making her have two negative tests or just wait out the 2 weeks without symptoms. There are several issues with this story, but one of my biggest is that the results need to be immediate like they were for my kid. No one should have to wait 4 days (or longer) to know if they are positive. Secondly I don't know the story on this girl's dad, but the team lost training and two scrimmages and it was very possible that the girl did not even have the virus at the training where the other girls and coach were theoretically exposed. The privacy issues make it hard for anyone to even know the background on that (maybe the coach and DOC do) so we may have canceled all of that stuff for no reason. It is definitely better to be safe but wow it is a convoluted mess to consider all of the possible exposures from one situation!!! Or Thanks for sharing. Testing is a big issue right now. It can take up to 2 days to get Covid Test. Then it can take up to 7 or 8 days to get results. My question for you is how did you get a rapid test? Is there a certain provider / clinic that does it? This would be very helpful to share. Thanks! |
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Jul 25, 2020 11:53:56 GMT -5
New CDC Guidelines:
“For most persons with COVID-19 illness, isolation and precautions can generally be discontinued 10 days after symptom onset and resolution of fever for at least 24 hours, without the use of fever-reducing medications, and with improvement of other symptoms,”
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Post by atlutd17 on Jul 25, 2020 12:13:21 GMT -5
The leagues should come up with a clear plan before season start on what happens to cancelled or forfeited games due to COVID-19 (when is which) and how they affect the standings whether is playoffs or for promotion/relegation.
Maybe they should go by point average per game (ECNL has that) instead on point totals with the caveat that say at least 50% of the games are played.
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Post by soccerfutbolfam on Jul 25, 2020 12:19:07 GMT -5
The leagues should come up with a clear plan before season start on what happens to cancelled or forfeited games due to COVID-19 (when is which) and how they affect the standings whether is playoffs or for promotion/relegation. Maybe they should go by point average per game (ECNL has that) instead on point totals with the caveat that say at least 50% of the games are played. I agree. But from what I have read, they are leaving it to “local guidelines”. That leaves them safe from providing guidelines and leaves it to local clubs. If your club only plays teams in your city or one local government that works. But if you cross over into another city, county or state- it isn’t easy. I guess then each game has to follow the “home team” local guidance. It is a shame clubs are still silent. My gut says - they are waiting for more than 50% of fees to be paid, some practices to happen before they reduce, modify or cancel. Which, I get in a way. From a business perspective they still have overhead. Honestly, I would rather pay and know I am helping the local community - especially to a club who is being open and honest with me than one waiting and being silent. (Not saying I would “like it” because I don’t like spending money for nothing - but honesty goes a long way with me) |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 25, 2020 12:24:59 GMT -5
04gparent If I say where specifically I got that I will be letting many people know who I am. I will say that my kids' pediatrician has them. Given that I am a physician and well-known enough to her that I have her cellphone I just texted her. She felt like it was so low risk to contact it at a soccer practice she felt like it wasn't necessary to test until she found out my parents were around my children. Here is a place that has some info for others. gov.georgia.gov/press-releases/2020-04-06/cvs-health-opens-drive-thru-rapid-covid-19-testing-site-georgia-tech |
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Post by 04gparent on Jul 25, 2020 13:14:48 GMT -5
04gparent If I say where specifically I got that I will be letting many people know who I am. I will say that my kids' pediatrician has them. Given that I am a physician and well-known enough to her that I have her cellphone I just texted her. She felt like it was so low risk to contact it at a soccer practice she felt like it wasn't necessary to test until she found out my parents were around my children. Here is a place that has some info for others. gov.georgia.gov/press-releases/2020-04-06/cvs-health-opens-drive-thru-rapid-covid-19-testing-site-georgia-tech Ok understood. I was hoping there was a provider that has quick test. The CVS option is booked up for weeks. Its good to hear that some PCP'ers / PEDs have it. I attempted to help a friend get a test who was exhibiting symptoms. Added this. The Georgia Tech site I think is shut down now... |
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Post by atlsoccerdad on Jul 25, 2020 18:40:20 GMT -5
04gparent If I say where specifically I got that I will be letting many people know who I am. I will say that my kids' pediatrician has them. Given that I am a physician and well-known enough to her that I have her cellphone I just texted her. She felt like it was so low risk to contact it at a soccer practice she felt like it wasn't necessary to test until she found out my parents were around my children. Here is a place that has some info for others. gov.georgia.gov/press-releases/2020-04-06/cvs-health-opens-drive-thru-rapid-covid-19-testing-site-georgia-tech Ok understood. I was hoping there was a provider that has quick test. The CVS option is booked up for weeks. Its good to hear that some PCP'ers / PEDs have it. I attempted to help a friend get a test who was exhibiting symptoms. Added this. The Georgia Tech site I think is shut down now... I signed up for the CVS drive-through test and had to wait 2 days for the first available slot to take it. It was self-administered with something that resembled a silicon toothpick (definitely NOT a Q-tip). That was 11 days ago. No results yet. |
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Post by BubbleDad on Jul 25, 2020 18:47:08 GMT -5
That’s very disappointing. I know my kids will react the same way if it happens to them which seems very likely the way it’s been trending. Looks like it may not be possible to have many games or many days at school without the ability to have a rapid test. Hopefully I’m wrong 🤞 That’s why I’m so excited my girl is playing in a 3v3 tomorrow!!! How did your daughter's team do today in Calhoun? My daughter ended up reffing. After watching some of the games, I wish she would have played. Any one else's kid did the 3v3 tourney today? |
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Post by bogan on Jul 25, 2020 18:52:53 GMT -5
oraclesfriend Ok understood. I was hoping there was a provider that has quick test. The CVS option is booked up for weeks. Its good to hear that some PCP'ers / PEDs have it. I attempted to help a friend get a test who was exhibiting symptoms. Added this. The Georgia Tech site I think is shut down now... I signed up for the CVS drive-through test and had to wait 2 days for the first available slot to take it. It was self-administered with something that resembled a silicon toothpick (definitely NOT a Q-tip). That was 11 days ago. No results yet. It really is almost worthless if you have to wait that long for results. As I mentioned before, it was 10 days for me. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jul 25, 2020 18:58:47 GMT -5
And as Maxx posted above, if you have no or mild symptoms and the start was 10 days ago and you're fever free for 24 hours, you're good. So they must know something they haven't released.
I think the PCR tests are not 100% accurate btw, and the rapid tests are a little less acurate. For whatever that's worth.
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Post by baller84 on Jul 25, 2020 21:40:04 GMT -5
Tests by now should be easily available to all, and results produced on the same day. No excuse for this. We're worse than a 3rd world country. It didn't have to be this way.
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Post by atlsoccerdad on Jul 26, 2020 10:54:16 GMT -5
Tests by now should be easily available to all, and results produced on the same day. No excuse for this. We're worse than a 3rd world country. It didn't have to be this way. I don't know if they work on weekends, but I checked today anyway. Nothing yet. Day 12 |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 26, 2020 10:56:39 GMT -5
Tests by now should be easily available to all, and results produced on the same day. No excuse for this. We're worse than a 3rd world country. It didn't have to be this way. I don't know if they work on weekends, but I checked today anyway. Nothing yet. Day 12 Shameful. What is the point of results that are 12 days old especially if you have no symptoms?!? |
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Post by guerillaman on Jul 26, 2020 19:45:33 GMT -5
So back to the thread - sounds like teams will be playing a full schedule with out of town travel -
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 26, 2020 20:36:40 GMT -5
So back to the thread - sounds like teams will be playing a full schedule with out of town travel - Didn't sound like that on the girls ECNL side. One poster mentioned 16 games instead of 22. I would expect Florida games may be set for a little later in the season, not August and early September. I could be wrong though... Has anyone heard anything about NL, NPL or GA? |
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Jul 26, 2020 20:50:33 GMT -5
Crickets
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Post by atlsoccer on Jul 26, 2020 21:42:17 GMT -5
So back to the thread - sounds like teams will be playing a full schedule with out of town travel - Didn't sound like that on the girls ECNL side. One poster mentioned 16 games instead of 22. I would expect Florida games may be set for a little later in the season, not August and early September. I could be wrong though... Has anyone heard anything about NL, NPL or GA? ENCL has already canceled or moved some Florida trips, NPL has move all early season games to in state. NL as usually, I believe is the last to act. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jul 27, 2020 7:54:26 GMT -5
I think the big one most folks want to know about is Labor Day Weekend --- do parents need to plan to travel or stay home that weekend? That is one that always should be shared as soon as possible:
most soccer families are used to not having a labor day/memorial day off, but folks want to be informed. I don't recall the time table from previous seasons on schedules, but my guess is this season is no different than others with regards to releasing schedules, we just all have too much time on our hands. Some teams have been practicing 3-4 times a week for the past 6 weeks so it feels like we've started the season when in reality for most it starts today.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Jul 27, 2020 8:04:16 GMT -5
I don't see a point in a whole team quarantining because one kid got the virus. I work at a mission critical job. We are mostly distant from each other all day at work, but we all wear masks in the common areas. National Guard came to our employer to test if you wanted a test. I showed no symptoms and with a lag time of 6-7 days to get results there was really no point in getting tested. A few in my section did and 1 that had worked closely with me for a few minutes at a time for a couple days found out she was positive 6 days after she tested while still working with all of us. Now she had no reason to be tested other than curiosity. She was not exposed to anyone, etc.... She had no symptoms as of the last time I spoke with her last Thursday. Our employer's procedures is to completely sanitize/fumigate the section, so we were all told to go home, and they did so. Then we come back the next day. No mandate to test or self-quarantine. Granted we sanitize more than most places of employment because we work with biologicals every day.
I talked to my PCP, and he agreed that at this point with the waiting period to get a test and to get results there is no point in me getting tested if I do not have symptoms.
That being said in reference to a player getting it, I think the same thing should happen with the whole team. Unless you are showing symptoms there is really no reason to get tested. The distancing requirements I am seeing these tournament documents should be sufficient to be low-risk for spreading it. The studies are showing that there are not as many asymptomatic people as first thought and that most people eventually show some symptom of covid-19 (even if mild and just a headache, etc...) at some point during their infection.
It's time to get on with it and I will be glad with the big clubs go forward with their tournaments.
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Jul 27, 2020 8:45:50 GMT -5
I think the big one most folks want to know about is Labor Day Weekend --- do parents need to plan to travel or stay home that weekend? That is one that always should be shared as soon as possible: most soccer families are used to not having a labor day/memorial day off, but folks want to be informed. I don't recall the time table from previous seasons on schedules, but my guess is this season is no different than others with regards to releasing schedules, we just all have too much time on our hands. Some teams have been practicing 3-4 times a week for the past 6 weeks so it feels like we've started the season when in reality for most it starts today. All the main leagues are behind schedule compared to last season in confirming Labor Day as even the ones who put out tentative schedules have not confirmed them |
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Post by soccergurl on Jul 27, 2020 9:12:52 GMT -5
anyone peeped at the gal schedule? is nth going to FL to play or is season on hold for spring? asking for my good buddy slickdaddy96 |
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Post by mistergrinch on Jul 27, 2020 9:17:24 GMT -5
anyone peeped at the gal schedule? is nth going to FL to play or is season on hold for spring? asking for my good buddy slickdaddy96 AFAIK - GAL hasn't released schedules yet |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Jul 27, 2020 9:44:41 GMT -5
anyone peeped at the gal schedule? is nth going to FL to play or is season on hold for spring? asking for my good buddy slickdaddy96 Well considering I have no one in that league, I couldn't care less..., but thanks for your concern. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jul 28, 2020 13:07:32 GMT -5
Seriously, WTF is going on with SCCL scheduling???
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Post by Keeper on Jul 28, 2020 13:27:53 GMT -5
Seriously, WTF is going on with SCCL scheduling??? What do you mean??? |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jul 28, 2020 13:36:32 GMT -5
Assume official boys ecnl schedule should be shared end of this week?
Heard the mid-atlantic region was thrown for a loop with the DC travel ban, apparently the travel ban also applies to some of the VA soccer teams -- which I was surprised to hear. Others might be able to verify this.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jul 28, 2020 15:01:43 GMT -5
Seriously, WTF is going on with SCCL scheduling??? What do you mean???
Currently we have no idea if we will have games on Labor Day weekend. Pretty sure tentative schedules were out by this point last year. I don't understand why they wouldn't simply schedule as though everything is normal and then adjust schedules as delays come up. At least for the club league.
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Post by lsagoalie on Jul 28, 2020 15:05:12 GMT -5
Currently we have no idea if we will have games on Labor Day weekend. Pretty sure tentative schedules were out by this point last year. I don't understand why they wouldn't simply schedule as though everything is normal and then adjust schedules as delays come up. At least for the club league.
I feel your pain, the NL is supposed to have North Carolina vs Georgia aug 22 and then Georgia vs South Carolina in Labor Day weekend based off of “tentative schedule” but neither have been confirmed. This was all known last year by July 17 so yeah they are behind. |
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Post by crazzzy4soccer on Jul 28, 2020 15:05:36 GMT -5
That’s why I’m so excited my girl is playing in a 3v3 tomorrow!!! How did your daughter's team do today in Calhoun? My daughter ended up reffing. After watching some of the games, I wish she would have played. Any one else's kid did the 3v3 tourney today? It was hot but went well, they ended up winning and went home happy ! Great to see them back on the pitch! |
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Post by greenmonkey on Jul 28, 2020 15:07:58 GMT -5
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