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Post by justwatching on Aug 10, 2020 10:52:03 GMT -5
The biggest difference for the Concorde Platinum 07 team is the new coach. You can have all the talent in the world but without having the right lineup, formation, adjustments, effective practices and respect of the coach - it means absolutely nothing. Last year, the team had plenty of talent, but a coach who failed to develop players - a frustrating year for girls and parents. The new team is comprised of 6 'original' Concorde players, along with Inter Atlanta and TH players (many of which were not homegrown). It's the right mix of talent with an exceptional and respected coach. It was the first weekend they've ever played games together, lineup and positions have not been solidified – so as the season goes on any kinks will be worked out. But regardless of where players came from - the team is now Concorde Fire 07 Platinum. Not sure about the coaching comments you made but, OK, obviously you have a kid there and know from experience. I will say the previous coaches the core had must have done a pretty good job if people were impressed with the way they played in this pre-season tournament. The post-Covid fall training/coaching have done so far haven't made any team extremely different from how they played last season. The majority of this team was together for at least a couple of years and migrated together for whatever reasons they had and added one player from Inter-Atlanta with their nine. I am pretty sure they played similar from styling, etc. standpoint from where they came from. The new coach may be fantastic for all I know, I don't know her, but her impact probably was not the "biggest difference" for the CF Platinum team this past weekend. The biggest difference for the CF Platinum team was that it has 10 new (very good) players this season  . |
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Aug 10, 2020 11:05:38 GMT -5
The new coach may help 5% but let’s just be honest, the team is an ALL Star team made up of some of the best girls from 3-4 clubs that all know each other and came together.
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Post by hattrick07 on Aug 10, 2020 11:22:53 GMT -5
The biggest difference for the Concorde Platinum 07 team is the new coach. You can have all the talent in the world but without having the right lineup, formation, adjustments, effective practices and respect of the coach - it means absolutely nothing. Last year, the team had plenty of talent, but a coach who failed to develop players - a frustrating year for girls and parents. The new team is comprised of 6 'original' Concorde players, along with Inter Atlanta and TH players (many of which were not homegrown). It's the right mix of talent with an exceptional and respected coach. It was the first weekend they've ever played games together, lineup and positions have not been solidified – so as the season goes on any kinks will be worked out. But regardless of where players came from - the team is now Concorde Fire 07 Platinum. Not sure about the coaching comments you made but, OK, obviously you have a kid there and know from experience. I will say the previous coaches the core had must have done a pretty good job if people were impressed with the way they played in this pre-season tournament. The post-Covid fall training/coaching have done so far haven't made any team extremely different from how they played last season. The majority of this team was together for at least a couple of years and migrated together for whatever reasons they had and added one player from Inter-Atlanta with their nine. I am pretty sure they played similar from styling, etc. standpoint from where they came from. The new coach may be fantastic for all I know, I don't know her, but her impact probably was not the "biggest difference" for the CF Platinum team this past weekend. The biggest difference for the CF Platinum team was that it has 10 new (very good) players this season . |
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Post by hattrick07 on Aug 10, 2020 11:23:40 GMT -5
@ Mightydog By original, I didn't mean Concorde 'homegrown' players, I meant players from last year's team. In the grand scheme of things, most players at this level have played at 2-3 different clubs.
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Post by hattrick07 on Aug 10, 2020 11:55:09 GMT -5
The biggest difference for the Concorde Platinum 07 team is the new coach. You can have all the talent in the world but without having the right lineup, formation, adjustments, effective practices and respect of the coach - it means absolutely nothing. Last year, the team had plenty of talent, but a coach who failed to develop players - a frustrating year for girls and parents. The new team is comprised of 6 'original' Concorde players, along with Inter Atlanta and TH players (many of which were not homegrown). It's the right mix of talent with an exceptional and respected coach. It was the first weekend they've ever played games together, lineup and positions have not been solidified – so as the season goes on any kinks will be worked out. But regardless of where players came from - the team is now Concorde Fire 07 Platinum. Not sure about the coaching comments you made but, OK, obviously you have a kid there and know from experience. I will say the previous coaches the core had must have done a pretty good job if people were impressed with the way they played in this pre-season tournament. The post-Covid fall training/coaching have done so far haven't made any team extremely different from how they played last season. The majority of this team was together for at least a couple of years and migrated together for whatever reasons they had and added one player from Inter-Atlanta with their nine. I am pretty sure they played similar from styling, etc. standpoint from where they came from. The new coach may be fantastic for all I know, I don't know her, but her impact probably was not the "biggest difference" for the CF Platinum team this past weekend. The biggest difference for the CF Platinum team was that it has 10 new (very good) players this season . |
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Post by hattrick07 on Aug 10, 2020 11:55:29 GMT -5
The biggest difference for the Concorde Platinum 07 team is the new coach. You can have all the talent in the world but without having the right lineup, formation, adjustments, effective practices and respect of the coach - it means absolutely nothing. Last year, the team had plenty of talent, but a coach who failed to develop players - a frustrating year for girls and parents. The new team is comprised of 6 'original' Concorde players, along with Inter Atlanta and TH players (many of which were not homegrown). It's the right mix of talent with an exceptional and respected coach. It was the first weekend they've ever played games together, lineup and positions have not been solidified – so as the season goes on any kinks will be worked out. But regardless of where players came from - the team is now Concorde Fire 07 Platinum. Not sure about the coaching comments you made but, OK, obviously you have a kid there and know from experience. I will say the previous coaches the core had must have done a pretty good job if people were impressed with the way they played in this pre-season tournament. The post-Covid fall training/coaching have done so far haven't made any team extremely different from how they played last season. The majority of this team was together for at least a couple of years and migrated together for whatever reasons they had and added one player from Inter-Atlanta with their nine. I am pretty sure they played similar from styling, etc. standpoint from where they came from. The new coach may be fantastic for all I know, I don't know her, but her impact probably was not the "biggest difference" for the CF Platinum team this past weekend. The biggest difference for the CF Platinum team was that it has 10 new (very good) players this season . |
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Post by hattrick07 on Aug 10, 2020 12:12:05 GMT -5
I know that most of these players were getting private training outside of their club. So, not sure if it's a fair assessment to say that 'the previous coach must have done a pretty good job, if people were impressed with the way they played in this pre-season tournament'
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 10, 2020 12:15:59 GMT -5
I know that most, of these players were getting private training outside of their club. So, not sure of it's a fair assessment to say that 'the previous coach must have done a pretty good job, if people were impressed with the way they played in this pre-season tournament' In my opinion the private training is great for technical training (whether done on their own using a program or with a trainer). In order for the player to be great at tactics that is due to coaching and/or studying the game (but really since tactics is very team dependent the coach really matters). |
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Post by hattrick07 on Aug 10, 2020 12:33:26 GMT -5
I know that most, of these players were getting private training outside of their club. So, not sure of it's a fair assessment to say that 'the previous coach must have done a pretty good job, if people were impressed with the way they played in this pre-season tournament' In my opinion the private training is great for technical training (whether done on their own using a program or with a trainer). In order for the player to be great at tactics that is due to coaching and/or studying the game (but really since tactics is very team dependent the coach really matters). |
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Post by hattrick07 on Aug 10, 2020 12:36:28 GMT -5
I don't disagree with your comment about coaching - it's critical. All I'm saying is they didn't get their tactics from last year's coaching - there was a lack of development. In fact, some of the players regressed.
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Aug 10, 2020 12:48:00 GMT -5
I don't disagree with your comment about coaching - it's critical. All I'm saying is they didn't get their tactics from last year's coaching - there was a lack of development. In fact, some of the players regressed. Is that coach still at Concorde? Didn't he have a daughter on that team? |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Aug 10, 2020 13:06:26 GMT -5
DunwoodySoccerDad yes he is still at CF, not sure what team he currently has. His daughter I think moved to AFU/GSA and his older daughter stayed at CF. In other news, can we collectively cool it on anointing these 12/13 year old girls National Champions. On paper they are a stacked and talented team, but like others have said, they still have to gel and they have to solidify where certain players are best suited based on growth physically and mentally. Additionally, that is a lot of pressure to put on these young ladies, based on some of the comments already, they truly have no where to go but down. If they win(oh they are supposed to win), if they lose(how can a talented team like that lose). Let's just be happy we have a locally sourced talented team that could maybe potentially represent ATL soccer...
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Post by hattrick07 on Aug 10, 2020 13:09:14 GMT -5
I don't disagree with your comment about coaching - it's critical. All I'm saying is they didn't get their tactics from last year's coaching - there was a lack of development. In fact, some of the players regressed. Is that coach still at Concorde? Didn't he have a daughter on that team? |
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Post by hattrick07 on Aug 10, 2020 13:19:06 GMT -5
Yes, he did have his daughter on the team. And that was one of the many reasons parents didn't bring their kids to Concorde last year, or the year before. This is not my opinion these are facts. When there was a coaching change - parents were excited to bring their kids over. I believe he is still at Concorde, but not sure what age group/level.
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Post by mightydawg on Aug 10, 2020 13:19:21 GMT -5
I don't disagree with your comment about coaching - it's critical. All I'm saying is they didn't get their tactics from last year's coaching - there was a lack of development. In fact, some of the players regressed. Is that coach still at Concorde? Didn't he have a daughter on that team? Yes. Coach of 2008 SCCL team. |
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Post by 04gparent on Aug 10, 2020 13:27:01 GMT -5
Is that coach still at Concorde? Didn't he have a daughter on that team? Yes. Coach of 2008 SCCL team. I love the discussion!!! When I saw this chain start going in this direction, I knew it would go this way. Clearly they parents were upset with TH and took matters into their own hands, which is good for them. Was it about the coach or was it really about not having a league to play in? Probably a combination of both. Anyway that's old news... Hopefully there is a full fall/spring season to keep the debate going... |
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Post by BubbleDad on Aug 10, 2020 13:38:17 GMT -5
It's so funny b/c Rapinoe said it best. Soccer is an expensive, elitest sport in America.
Most of the most skilled players have parents that are willing to pay the time and money to have their kids be dope. When I watch these soccer games and I see these girls on the top level I just think to myself these parents are paying some good money for extra help more than once a week. Other than being a pain in the ass, we make these coaches' jobs pretty easy when it comes to players being techniquely developed.
Can you blame these coaches for pulling top kids from other clubs to create these dream teams? I wouldn't be surprised if these coach's actually network with soccer trainers to pull these kids into the super teams other than just seeing them when they play against an opposing team.
I admit, I'm a little bitter about not having the dough to get my daughter to this elite status that she deserves. I look at some of these kids that are in academy and they are amazing but how much are their parents paying for this to happen. This is what I hate about American soccer it's so disgusting it's ridiculous. I heard one kid actually has a Toca machine at their house on top of their father being a soccer coach. How can you compete with that?
My cousin plays collegiate soccer and I went to their game when they made it to the women's NCAA soccer tournament and I overheard some of the careers of these parents and was like... that explains a lot.
The crazy thing is that these elite kids a lot of times have a hard time transitioning into the collegiate ranks because they have to fight tooth-and-nail almost every practice to earn their spot which they're not used to doing because they've been playing on an elite team some times since they were damn near 10-12 yrs and we just move clubs if they didn't get the spot that they wanted on the current one.
Now you've paid all this money over all of these years only for them to get to college and have to fight for position and then they graduate from college and make it to the pros (very small %) and make less than $20,000 a year. If you think I'm joking, I heard this from the UNC Chapel Hill coach's mouth during one of his parent workshops at one of the summer camps last year.
So yes, a lot of these girls are elite but what's the price tag behind it all?
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Post by soccergurl on Aug 10, 2020 13:48:13 GMT -5
Yes, he did have his daughter on the team. And that was one of the many reasons parents didn't bring their kids to Concorde last year, or the year before. This is not my opinion these are facts. When there was a coaching change - parents were excited to bring their kids over. I believe he is still at Concorde, but not sure what age group/level. is not facts my friend + concorde was not who make coach change #PackageDeal |
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Post by soccergurl on Aug 10, 2020 13:50:22 GMT -5
The new coach may help 5% but let’s just be honest, the team is an ALL Star team made up of some of the best girls from 3-4 clubs that all know each other and came together. one parent set it all up #PackageDeal |
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Post by hattrick07 on Aug 10, 2020 13:51:24 GMT -5
Yes, he did have his daughter on the team. And that was one of the many reasons parents didn't bring their kids to Concorde last year, or the year before. This is not my opinion these are facts. When there was a coaching change - parents were excited to bring their kids over. I believe he is still at Concorde, but not sure what age group/level. is not facts my friend + concorde was not who make coach change #PackageDeal |
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Post by hattrick07 on Aug 10, 2020 13:52:19 GMT -5
I don't even know what you're trying to say. But I know I'm not the first one...
Can you elaborate? In non-gibberish speak?
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Post by hattrick07 on Aug 10, 2020 13:57:30 GMT -5
It's so funny b/c Rapinoe said it best. Soccer is an expensive, elitest sport in America. Most of the most skilled players have parents that are willing to pay the time and money to have their kids be dope. When I watch these soccer games and I see these girls on the top level I just think to myself these parents are paying some good money for extra help more than once a week. Other than being a pain in the ass, we make these coaches' jobs pretty easy when it comes to players being techniquely developed. Can you blame these coaches for pulling top kids from other clubs to create these dream teams? I wouldn't be surprised if these coach's actually network with soccer trainers to pull these kids into the super teams other than just seeing them when they play against an opposing team. I admit, I'm a little bitter about not having the dough to get my daughter to this elite status that she deserves. I look at some of these kids that are in academy and they are amazing but how much are their parents paying for this to happen. This is what I hate about American soccer it's so disgusting it's ridiculous. I heard one kid actually has a Toca machine at their house on top of their father being a soccer coach. How can you compete with that? My cousin plays collegiate soccer and I went to their game when they made it to the women's NCAA soccer tournament and I overheard some of the careers of these parents and was like... that explains a lot. The crazy thing is that these elite kids a lot of times have a hard time transitioning into the collegiate ranks because they have to fight tooth-and-nail almost every practice to earn their spot which they're not used to doing because they've been playing on an elite team some times since they were damn near 10-12 yrs and we just move clubs if they didn't get the spot that they wanted on the current one. Now you've paid all this money over all of these years only for them to get to college and have to fight for position and then they graduate from college and make it to the pros (very small %) and make less than $20,000 a year. If you think I'm joking, I heard this from the UNC Chapel Hill coach's mouth during one of his parent workshops at one of the summer camps last year. So yes, a lot of these girls are elite but what's the price tag behind it all? |
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Post by mightydawg on Aug 10, 2020 13:59:06 GMT -5
It's so funny b/c Rapinoe said it best. Soccer is an expensive, elitest sport in America. Most of the most skilled players have parents that are willing to pay the time and money to have their kids be dope. When I watch these soccer games and I see these girls on the top level I just think to myself these parents are paying some good money for extra help more than once a week. Other than being a pain in the ass, we make these coaches' jobs pretty easy when it comes to players being techniquely developed. Can you blame these coaches for pulling top kids from other clubs to create these dream teams? I wouldn't be surprised if these coach's actually network with soccer trainers to pull these kids into the super teams other than just seeing them when they play against an opposing team. I admit, I'm a little bitter about not having the dough to get my daughter to this elite status that she deserves. I look at some of these kids that are in academy and they are amazing but how much are their parents paying for this to happen. This is what I hate about American soccer it's so disgusting it's ridiculous. I heard one kid actually has a Toca machine at their house on top of their father being a soccer coach. How can you compete with that? My cousin plays collegiate soccer and I went to their game when they made it to the women's NCAA soccer tournament and I overheard some of the careers of these parents and was like... that explains a lot. The crazy thing is that these elite kids a lot of times have a hard time transitioning into the collegiate ranks because they have to fight tooth-and-nail almost every practice to earn their spot which they're not used to doing because they've been playing on an elite team some times since they were damn near 10-12 yrs and we just move clubs if they didn't get the spot that they wanted on the current one. Now you've paid all this money over all of these years only for them to get to college and have to fight for position and then they graduate from college and make it to the pros (very small %) and make less than $20,000 a year. If you think I'm joking, I heard this from the UNC Chapel Hill coach's mouth during one of his parent workshops at one of the summer camps last year. So yes, a lot of these girls are elite but what's the price tag behind it all? Private training has exploded across all sports. Look at all of the athletic training centers that have opened to help kids be stronger and faster. Football has position specific training, 7 v. 7 teams and the like. Baseball has pitching trainers, hitting trainers, and fielding trainers. I actually think that soccer was kind of late to the party. Until recently, most trainers in soccer were club coaches picking up a few extra dollars for private training. Now, there is Toca, which has exploded, with a number of groups wanting to copy what Toca is doing. |
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Post by hattrick07 on Aug 10, 2020 14:08:52 GMT -5
bubbledad I agree with you 100%. American youth soccer is completely elitist. The best players go undiscovered because they don't have the means to compete. I'm still not sure why kids have to start traveling by plane at U13 to play high level soccer. I would bet there are plenty of talented players and teams within a short distance from Atlanta. But parents will keep on paying, and clubs will keep on taking the money. But it is their business. There's a boy at my daughter's school who she plays with at recess. He's a really great player despite never having any 'formal' training, but because his family can't afford club soccer, or have the ability to get him to practices - he doesn't get to compete and grow into the exceptional player he could be. My daughter has probably become a better player because she gets to play with him. So, like you, I wish it were different. Your daughter deserves to play if she has the passion, and skills - it's completely absurd to think only the top kids whose parents can afford it - get to play at a high level.
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Post by justwatching on Aug 10, 2020 15:14:50 GMT -5
Anyone see or have thoughts on the GSA 06G ECNL team against the CF Platinum 05G ECNL team? I saw score was 1-1. I know GSA 06 was at the top of the standings for 06s and I assume CF Plat 05s were at the top for their age group. Was the game fairly even? A true 1-1 deserving game?
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Aug 10, 2020 15:25:39 GMT -5
Anyone see or have thoughts on the GSA 06G ECNL team against the CF Platinum 05G ECNL team? I saw score was 1-1. I know GSA 06 was at the top of the standings for 06s and I assume CF Plat 05s were at the top for their age group. Was the game fairly even? A true 1-1 deserving game? actually Concorde 05 premier is the top Concorde team in the 05 Girls age bracket |
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Post by BubbleDad on Aug 10, 2020 15:38:10 GMT -5
Anyone see or have thoughts on the GSA 06G ECNL team against the CF Platinum 05G ECNL team? I saw score was 1-1. I know GSA 06 was at the top of the standings for 06s and I assume CF Plat 05s were at the top for their age group. Was the game fairly even? A true 1-1 deserving game? I'm sure it's hard to judge considering it's a preseason game. It seems like these games are just there to knock the dust off and earn some money for the club. It's like NFL teams playing in preseason games. You can't gauge the quality of a team based on that. It was like the SSA tournament back in February where the games were shortened because a snow storm came through. Some good teams played each other but you couldn't say one was better than the other because one of them happened to win especially by a small margin. |
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Post by justwatching on Aug 10, 2020 15:39:13 GMT -5
Anyone see or have thoughts on the GSA 06G ECNL team against the CF Platinum 05G ECNL team? I saw score was 1-1. I know GSA 06 was at the top of the standings for 06s and I assume CF Plat 05s were at the top for their age group. Was the game fairly even? A true 1-1 deserving game? actually Concorde 05 premier is the top Concorde team in the 05 Girls age bracket OK gotcha. I knew they (Premier) were at one point in time but thought I remembered Platinum being ahead of them in the last season standings but I couldn't find last years results anymore. Either way I assume Platinum is still towards the top of the standings for that age group. Seemed like a good result for GSA 06 if it was even with an age group one year up with a team near the top of the division. |
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Post by justwatching on Aug 10, 2020 15:50:35 GMT -5
Anyone see or have thoughts on the GSA 06G ECNL team against the CF Platinum 05G ECNL team? I saw score was 1-1. I know GSA 06 was at the top of the standings for 06s and I assume CF Plat 05s were at the top for their age group. Was the game fairly even? A true 1-1 deserving game? I'm sure it's hard to judge considering it's a preseason game. It seems like these games are just there to knock the dust off and earn some money for the club. It's like NFL teams playing in preseason games. You can't gauge the quality of a team based on that. It was like the SSA tournament back in February where the games were shortened because a snow storm came through. Some good teams played each other but you couldn't say one was better than the other because one of them happened to win especially by a small margin. Yep. I'm not really concerned with which team was/is better or worse just curious in the play of the game and how even or uneven the play looked mainly because these are two of the top teams in their respective age groups in the SE ECNL. And NFL pre-season is probably not a great comparison considering that's the time where teams are still cutting rosters and only playing starters in one of two series, if at all at times. Pre-season youth soccer there is definitely some experimentation and results don't necessarily mean everything but rosters are set so your team is your team. Positions/tactics/playing time may and probably will change throughout the season but you can still get a very good idea of what kind of team is playing on the field. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 10, 2020 16:24:24 GMT -5
actually Concorde 05 premier is the top Concorde team in the 05 Girls age bracket OK gotcha. I knew they (Premier) were at one point in time but thought I remembered Platinum being ahead of them in the last season standings but I couldn't find last years results anymore. Either way I assume Platinum is still towards the top of the standings for that age group. Seemed like a good result for GSA 06 if it was even with an age group one year up with a team near the top of the division. You were correct that 05 Platinum was the better team last season with a higher standing at the end than 05 Premier however it was close. 05 Platinum also has several new players this year from NTH who probably need to gel with the rest of the team and learn the coach's philosophy. |
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