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Post by mistergrinch on Aug 17, 2020 19:34:21 GMT -5
In the world of statistics, this over reporting number is unacceptable. 25% of 175000 is much more than your number. Its actually closer to 45000. But its NOT 25% of the total number based on your arguments. Unless i totally misunderstood, you were arguing that the over reporting was making it look bad based on a typical flu year (the 35000 number). Also.. to reach 175000 with 25% over reporting would be 140000*1.25.. not 25% of 175000. Thats a 35000 difference, not 45000. So.. assuming all of the over reporting was 100% correct... would 140000 be ok? |
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Post by newposter on Aug 17, 2020 21:14:56 GMT -5
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Post by mistergrinch on Aug 17, 2020 21:29:50 GMT -5
Where are you getting that number? But lets work it based on that. 43000 over reported would be 33% over roughly 132000 deaths. You are now asserting that they are over reporting by a full third? |
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Post by newposter on Aug 17, 2020 21:37:49 GMT -5
175,000 deaths x .25 = 43000 +
-43,000
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132,000 actual deaths out of 378,000,000 US citizens which has 99.97% living through the "pandemic".
48,000 deaths per day is top cause. Covid nowhere near.
It's not going away. The flu comes back EVERY year.
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Post by mistergrinch on Aug 17, 2020 21:54:27 GMT -5
175,000 deaths x .25 = 43000 + -43,000 _______ 132,000 actual deaths out of 378,000,000 US citizens which has 99.97% living through the "pandemic". 48,000 deaths per day is top cause. Covid nowhere near. It's not going away. The flu comes back EVERY year. I already explained above that your math is wrong. You can't take a percentage off a number that you're claiming is wrong to get the right one. If you want to know how much over reporting gets you to 175000.. find the number that multiplied by 1.25 results in 175000. That number is 140000. An over reporting of 25% would be 175000. So what are you trying to say? We should ignore it and help it top the list? Do what we can to minimize it? Pretend it's a hoax? Still not really sure what angle you're arguing other than that the statistics are being over reported.. which even if correct, still puts it at almost 3x the casualties of Vietnam .. in a 6 month span. |
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Post by newposter on Aug 17, 2020 22:06:10 GMT -5
My point is that shuttering the greatest economy will do more harm than the virus.
Suicide rates up
Domestic violence up
Negative educational impact on students of all ages
Negative impact on future work force
Hunger
Homelessness due to people unable to pay rent or mortgage (government can only postpone this so long)
Bankruptcy of businesses (negative impact on jobs)
Should I go on?
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Post by newposter on Aug 17, 2020 22:08:08 GMT -5
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Post by Respect on Aug 17, 2020 22:50:57 GMT -5
Confirmation bias is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information that confirms or supports one's prior beliefs or values. It is an important type of cognitive bias that has a significant effect on the proper functioning of society by distorting evidence-based decision-making. People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. People also tend to interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing position. The effect is strongest for desired outcomes, for emotionally charged issues, and for deeply entrenched beliefs.
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Post by papacoach on Aug 17, 2020 23:52:02 GMT -5
Soooo the survival rate is what again per age group?
Out of the ppl dying from C19, what’s the average age and was there contributing factors to death of the individual?
Doesn’t deaths reported As C19 victims from medical facilities receive money for the federal government?
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Post by mistergrinch on Aug 18, 2020 7:40:11 GMT -5
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 18, 2020 7:40:18 GMT -5
My point is that shuttering the greatest economy will do more harm than the virus. Suicide rates up Domestic violence up Negative educational impact on students of all ages Negative impact on future work force Hunger Homelessness due to people unable to pay rent or mortgage (government can only postpone this so long) Bankruptcy of businesses (negative impact on jobs) Should I go on? Who is saying we should shutter the economy again? I did not hear anyone say that. I find it strange that people continue to argue the numbers when policies are not really changing at the moment. What is your point on the numbers? Is your point that we should go back to 100% normal? School in person without masks? Bars and nightclubs fully open? Huge parties and concerts and sporting events with 80k or more people allowed? Is that what you are saying? Answer yes or no so that we can understand just how bad your bias (that respect pointed out we all have) is. |
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Post by newposter on Aug 18, 2020 17:04:03 GMT -5
What news do you watch? Its everywhere. School closures...need I say more.
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Post by bogan on Aug 18, 2020 18:32:41 GMT -5
“Georgia reported the highest rate of new cases of the coronavirus in the country in the seven days ending on Friday, President Trump’s coronavirus task force said in its latest report, urging the state again to take stronger action to mitigate spread of COVID-19.“
-AJC
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Post by newposter on Aug 18, 2020 18:37:23 GMT -5
Latest data - rates down 22% week over week.
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Post by bogan on Aug 18, 2020 18:41:31 GMT -5
Latest data - rates down 22% week over week. So we are down but still the worst? |
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Post by ball2futbol on Aug 18, 2020 18:52:40 GMT -5
“If you ain’t first you’re last” - Ricky Bobby
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Post by bogan on Aug 18, 2020 19:30:09 GMT -5
“Georgia reported 216 cases per 100,000 people in the week ended Friday, a rate that is about double the national average, the White House report said. The report was not released publicly, and The Atlanta Journal-Constitution obtained a copy from a source.
A team of Georgia Tech and Stanford University researchers, meanwhile, rated Georgia through Sunday as having the highest per-capita circulating infection rate in the nation, followed by Florida and Louisiana.”
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 18, 2020 19:34:08 GMT -5
Latest data - rates down 22% week over week. Look. We are going in the right direction this last week, but people need to be smart. Opening bars and nightclubs was just stupid. Like most things, there is a happy medium. |
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Post by bogan on Aug 18, 2020 19:40:28 GMT -5
Latest data - rates down 22% week over week. Look. We are going in the right direction this last week, but people need to be smart. Opening bars and nightclubs was just stupid. Like most things, there is a happy medium. ☝️☝️☝️☝️ |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 18, 2020 20:20:21 GMT -5
Heard anecdote of local pediatrician sending 4 unused swabs for testing. All 4 came back positive. The testing is garbage.
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Post by ncsoccerparent on Aug 18, 2020 21:10:01 GMT -5
“Georgia reported 216 cases per 100,000 people in the week ended Friday, a rate that is about double the national average, the White House report said. The report was not released publicly, and The Atlanta Journal-Constitution obtained a copy from a source. A team of Georgia Tech and Stanford University researchers, meanwhile, rated Georgia through Sunday as having the highest per-capita circulating infection rate in the nation, followed by Florida and Louisiana.” And GA and FL are having soccer tournaments every weekend like they just don't care. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Aug 18, 2020 21:39:54 GMT -5
Heard anecdote of local pediatrician sending 4 unused swabs for testing. All 4 came back positive. The testing is garbage. There sure seem to be a lot of these anecdotes. Like cow tipping. I heard a guy on tv from the Sturgis rally telling an anecdote that was almost verbatim to the one honey was spouting.. so either A. honeys a biker and was on tv, B. they know the same people.. or C. they get the same BS on Facebook. Im going out on a limb for C. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Aug 18, 2020 21:41:00 GMT -5
What news do you watch? Its everywhere. School closures...need I say more. Yes.. how about the yes or no response to the yes or no question you were asked? |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 19, 2020 7:46:34 GMT -5
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Post by mistergrinch on Aug 19, 2020 10:46:12 GMT -5
So is it false positives, false negatives.. or both? Seems like you're saying 'both'?
NO question that the testing has been a major cluster.. still is, really.
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Post by kidsocceruber on Aug 19, 2020 13:52:55 GMT -5
If we assume there are false positives there have to be false negatives, can't have one without the other if the test isn't 100% reliable which we know it isn't to date. Maybe the saliva tests being developed will be better...
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Post by soccerloafer on Aug 19, 2020 14:43:25 GMT -5
I think Alyssa was actually getting a chlamydia test, not Covid. Could have been a misunderstanding. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 19, 2020 16:58:44 GMT -5
Hey, I know Alyssa is a nut. False positives are pretty harmless, spend a couple weeks in quarantine. But if you're asymptomatic and get a negative test result...that's basically a license to kill (assuming there is asymptomatic spread as they suggest). Part of it goes back to the fact PCR was not developed to test for presence of a virus.
If we can't get the damn test right over 6 months...people think we can make an effective and safe vaccine in 6 months??? My strawman says that's akin to assuming Taco Bell can make gourmet food.
This also makes sense as to why sailors from the USS Teddy Roosevelt were testing positive-then-negative-then-positive-then-negative-then positive again. Its not a mystery stealth virus, the tests are garbage.
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Post by mistergrinch on Aug 19, 2020 17:16:29 GMT -5
Hey, I know Alyssa is a nut. False positives are pretty harmless, spend a couple weeks in quarantine. But if you're asymptomatic and get a negative test result...that's basically a license to kill (assuming there is asymptomatic spread as they suggest). Part of it goes back to the fact PCR was not developed to test for presence of a virus. If we can't get the damn test right over 6 months...people think we can make an effective and safe vaccine in 6 months??? My strawman says that's akin to assuming Taco Bell can make gourmet food. This also makes sense as to why sailors from the USS Teddy Roosevelt were testing positive-then-negative-then-positive-then-negative-then positive again. Its not a mystery stealth virus, the tests are garbage. I think you may be on to something. |
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Post by soccerloafer on Aug 19, 2020 17:50:43 GMT -5
Hey, I know Alyssa is a nut. False positives are pretty harmless, spend a couple weeks in quarantine. But if you're asymptomatic and get a negative test result...that's basically a license to kill (assuming there is asymptomatic spread as they suggest). Part of it goes back to the fact PCR was not developed to test for presence of a virus. If we can't get the damn test right over 6 months...people think we can make an effective and safe vaccine in 6 months??? My strawman says that's akin to assuming Taco Bell can make gourmet food. This also makes sense as to why sailors from the USS Teddy Roosevelt were testing positive-then-negative-then-positive-then-negative-then positive again. Its not a mystery stealth virus, the tests are garbage. Theodore. He actually hated being called Teddy. USS Theodore Roosevelt, CVN-71, call sign Big Stick. |
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