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Sept 7, 2020 19:38:05 GMT -5
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 7, 2020 19:38:05 GMT -5
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Sept 7, 2020 20:03:08 GMT -5
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Post by SoccerMom on Sept 7, 2020 20:03:08 GMT -5
Isn't this old news?
I heard both them and LSA were granted the full academy. I heard it was due to lack of teams.
I also heard some other local clubs were offered it as well
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Sept 7, 2020 20:24:24 GMT -5
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Post by footyfan on Sept 7, 2020 20:24:24 GMT -5
I'm happy for the clubs if they have a solid plan to develop the boys(looks like boys only?). From reading up on it, it hardly seems like "Youth Soccer Reimagined" though www.mlssoccer.com/mlsnext |
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Sept 8, 2020 6:02:28 GMT -5
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Post by bogan on Sept 8, 2020 6:02:28 GMT -5
I'm happy for the clubs if they have a solid plan to develop the boys(looks like boys only?). From reading up on it, it hardly seems like "Youth Soccer Reimagined" though www.mlssoccer.com/mlsnextI agree-I wish them the best...but some of these clubs aren’t that strong-so I do hope they have a good [recruiting?] plan. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 8, 2020 10:39:31 GMT -5
I still have no faith in a league that can't properly align dots on map of the United States. They keep publishing the same image over and over. apparently Atlanta is in Macon & Charlotte MLS is in Raleigh  |
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Post by 04gparent on Sept 8, 2020 11:57:11 GMT -5
I think we underestimate how hard it is to actually start a nationwide league. Even if the league is copying everything from a current league like ECNL or state leagues, it still takes a ton of work. Not to mention getting buy in or approval from the member clubs...
Add on top of that deciding the competition platform for the year (while in a pandemic). This requires a lot of work by a lot of people...
Remember US Soccer administered the previous league for almost 20 years. No one knew how many people were behind the scenes running it. We as fans/parents saw how much it cost when US Soccer released financial info. My guess it will take a year or two for the new league to get its footing and hire all the necessary people from Commissioners to conference liaisons to social media persons.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 8, 2020 12:11:41 GMT -5
Buy in right now was a huge problem, and rightfully so --- the feds really should have a waited after covid, let 2020-2021 play out and announce this would be the last season of the DA.
Given the replacement league time etc, and what probably could of happened, was just handing the league over to a new "manager".
Big big problem still -- not sure people understand even though the feds failed at many levels, they offered a ton of scholarship money that currently the ecnl for example doesn't offer.
I have question about this as well -- do we know if fully funded programs, i.e. mls clubs -- did they also receive scholarship money for players when applied?
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Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 8, 2020 12:30:04 GMT -5
"...let 2020-2021 play out" was a 10 Million dollar annual expense.
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Post by allthingsoccer on Sept 8, 2020 13:18:47 GMT -5
Overall, I think in the long term this is going to be "the" league. Right now this bad boy has so so many moving parts its not funny. HUGE undertaking. MLS Covid guidelines must be followed and they are very strict as it is and very much enforced. So I'm sure its a little slower than normal regarding launch.
The MLS has wanted out of DA or at least some power on how to "run" their own DA program for years. Now that the DA is bye bye, MLS is going to do it right. First year, going to be very painful, by the 3rd year I think it will be a growing monster.
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Sept 8, 2020 15:37:31 GMT -5
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Post by bogan on Sept 8, 2020 15:37:31 GMT -5
Overall, I think in the long term this is going to be "the" league. Right now this bad boy has so so many moving parts its not funny. HUGE undertaking. MLS Covid guidelines must be followed and they are very strict as it is and very much enforced. So I'm sure its a little slower than normal regarding launch. The MLS has wanted out of DA or at least some power on how to "run" their own DA program for years. Now that the DA is bye bye, MLS is going to do it right. First year, going to be very painful, by the 3rd year I think it will be a growing monster. Maybe-hopefully-but weren’t the MLS clubs complaining about a lack of competitive matches so DA created brackets? Now that DA is gone, many of the top clubs went to ECNL...I’m not sure how this helps the MLS clubs except that they will have more control over programming. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 8, 2020 15:41:31 GMT -5
and in my opinion the boys ECNL has it right --- no Florida travel for regular season games.
The current ECNL southeast is very manageable and budget friendly for Atlanta teams
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Sept 8, 2020 15:46:21 GMT -5
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Sept 8, 2020 15:46:21 GMT -5
They obviously think the top players will migrate to the clubs in their league, which might take a few years if it ever happens at all. I wonder if clubs that went ECNL will even want to switch back or add their top teams if they are invited and allowed to by the ECNL which would get their second teams, ostensibly. Lots of work to do as the league is terribly unbalanced now.
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Post by allthingsoccer on Sept 8, 2020 16:41:40 GMT -5
Overall, I think in the long term this is going to be "the" league. Right now this bad boy has so so many moving parts its not funny. HUGE undertaking. MLS Covid guidelines must be followed and they are very strict as it is and very much enforced. So I'm sure its a little slower than normal regarding launch. The MLS has wanted out of DA or at least some power on how to "run" their own DA program for years. Now that the DA is bye bye, MLS is going to do it right. First year, going to be very painful, by the 3rd year I think it will be a growing monster. Maybe-hopefully-but weren’t the MLS clubs complaining about a lack of competitive matches so DA created brackets? Now that DA is gone, many of the top clubs went to ECNL...I’m not sure how this helps the MLS clubs except that they will have more control over programming. Yes some complaining about the competitive matches and a lot about control or lack of freedom to do what ever they wanted...lol Lot of them went to ECNL because of the unknown and that they know it will take a few years to get established. I think you will find that some will do both in the future. |
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Post by allthingsoccer on Sept 8, 2020 16:46:05 GMT -5
They obviously think the top players will migrate to the clubs in their league, which might take a few years if it ever happens at all. I wonder if clubs that went ECNL will even want to switch back or add their top teams if they are invited and allowed to by the ECNL which would get their second teams, ostensibly. Lots of work to do as the league is terribly unbalanced now. Very true. If its working why throw in a wrench. Well I think the MLS Next will be that in a few years. The $$ that will be behind it will for sure get a lot of eyeballs and very eager beaver parents AU is doing both MLS and ECNL. |
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Post by allthingsoccer on Sept 8, 2020 16:50:04 GMT -5
They obviously think the top players will migrate to the clubs in their league, which might take a few years if it ever happens at all. I wonder if clubs that went ECNL will even want to switch back or add their top teams if they are invited and allowed to by the ECNL which would get their second teams, ostensibly. Lots of work to do as the league is terribly unbalanced now. Very true. If its working why throw in a wrench. Well I think the MLS Next will be that in a few years. The $$ that will be behind it will for sure get a lot of eyeballs and very eager beaver parents AU is doing both MLS and ECNL. Just a matter of time. MLS Next wants to be the path. Going to be harder and harder for ECNL on the boys side down the road. |
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Sept 8, 2020 17:04:59 GMT -5
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Sept 8, 2020 17:04:59 GMT -5
They obviously think the top players will migrate to the clubs in their league, which might take a few years if it ever happens at all. I wonder if clubs that went ECNL will even want to switch back or add their top teams if they are invited and allowed to by the ECNL which would get their second teams, ostensibly. Lots of work to do as the league is terribly unbalanced now. Very true. If its working why throw in a wrench. Well I think the MLS Next will be that in a few years. The $$ that will be behind it will for sure get a lot of eyeballs and very eager beaver parents AU is doing both MLS and ECNL. AU is trying to do ECNL - big disappointment with their lack of participation and enthusiasm thus far. AU is losing their luster across town among the top players anyway - of the 10 players that have over 2 years at AU and have since come back to club on teams my sons play on, only 1 has cracked the top 4-5 players on each team, and most of these highly motivated players came in woefully out of shape. After U14 nobody talks about AU academy - it’s all about playing abroad and college/superdraft. Now things would be quite different if MLS academies trashed their horrendous geographic recruitment radius rules and actually had to make an effort. |
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Sept 8, 2020 17:21:39 GMT -5
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Post by soccerdad76 on Sept 8, 2020 17:21:39 GMT -5
Very true. If its working why throw in a wrench. Well I think the MLS Next will be that in a few years. The $$ that will be behind it will for sure get a lot of eyeballs and very eager beaver parents AU is doing both MLS and ECNL. Just a matter of time. MLS Next wants to be the path. Going to be harder and harder for ECNL on the boys side down the road. I don’t know... see ECNL travel, manageable. Maybe the local competition will get better if they add more big-5 clubs. Is it tiered like DA last year? Did SSA and LSA get a big influx of talent? I’m not sure what’s in it for the non-MLS clubs. I’m pulling for ECNL, though  |
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Sept 8, 2020 17:25:15 GMT -5
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Post by bogan on Sept 8, 2020 17:25:15 GMT -5
I was thinking of the costs for this league. Guess-ta-mating this would cost more than my sons school tuition. I think we will just enjoy what’s left of Georgia Soccer or SCCL unless someone can convince me it’s worth it.
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Post by allthingsoccer on Sept 8, 2020 17:28:39 GMT -5
Yikes. Maybe thats why they where cut. Maybe thinking that 1.5 hrs a day is going to cut it on being the best at AU or any top level team for that matter.
I guess its a matter of opinion and the flock that you are around. I still hear lots of chatter at U17 but it does get a lot harder to get in after U14 so maybe thats why you dont hear much. (not sure).
Many different paths for sure to hit the goal. Tons of kids went on to College before AU started, I wouldnt expect that to change.
For a very few the Pro path is closer at AU. I'm not sure on the College Pro path yet for AU. I think in the next couple of years you should start seeing some data on that. They do have 30+ at the moment in D1. I expect that to increase every year.
Agree on recruitment radius rules. So stupid if you ask me. On the flip side, that does make room for Georgia players.
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Post by allthingsoccer on Sept 8, 2020 17:38:44 GMT -5
I was thinking of the costs for this league. Guess-ta-mating this would cost more than my sons school tuition. I think we will just enjoy what’s left of Georgia Soccer or SCCL unless someone can convince me it’s worth it. No clue on costs. What was the avg cost for ECNL? Travel etc... 5 years ago Academy club (5 tournaments) was around $5k If you make playoffs (top teams) whats the cost for ECNL? |
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Sept 8, 2020 17:39:12 GMT -5
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Post by bogan on Sept 8, 2020 17:39:12 GMT -5
“Yikes. Maybe thats why they where cut. Maybe thinking that 1.5 hrs a day is going to cut it on being the best at AU or any top level team for that matter.”
The sad fact is a lot of these kids could work out four hours a day, six days week and they wouldn’t make the Pros. A baseball buddy of mine that played for the Marlins system threw at 94 MPH...I could never do that no matter how much I practiced. So, reality has to set in at some point.
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Sept 8, 2020 17:40:17 GMT -5
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Post by bogan on Sept 8, 2020 17:40:17 GMT -5
I was thinking of the costs for this league. Guess-ta-mating this would cost more than my sons school tuition. I think we will just enjoy what’s left of Georgia Soccer or SCCL unless someone can convince me it’s worth it. No clue on costs. What was the avg cost for ECNL? Travel etc... 5 years ago Academy club (5 tournaments) was around $5k If you make playoffs (top teams) whats the cost for ECNL? A lot. Last year I think we spent north of $8k on NPL but I may be lumping in ODP with that. I imagine ECNL would be about the same.I was just thinking of all the FL travel for the MLS league-you’d be adding airfare. |
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Post by allthingsoccer on Sept 8, 2020 17:41:17 GMT -5
Just a matter of time. MLS Next wants to be the path. Going to be harder and harder for ECNL on the boys side down the road. I don’t know... see ECNL travel, manageable. Maybe the local competition will get better if they add more big-5 clubs. Is it tiered like DA last year? Did SSA and LSA get a big influx of talent? I’m not sure what’s in it for the non-MLS clubs. I’m pulling for ECNL, though Manageable in what regards? I thought they had lots of travel to FL/ Carolina's and if in playoff those where pretty far away. pre-Covid. |
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Sept 8, 2020 18:55:11 GMT -5
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Sept 8, 2020 18:55:11 GMT -5
Yikes. Maybe thats why they where cut. Maybe thinking that 1.5 hrs a day is going to cut it on being the best at AU or any top level team for that matter. I guess its a matter of opinion and the flock that you are around. I still hear lots of chatter at U17 but it does get a lot harder to get in after U14 so maybe thats why you dont hear much. (not sure). Many different paths for sure to hit the goal. Tons of kids went on to College before AU started, I wouldnt expect that to change. For a very few the Pro path is closer at AU. I'm not sure on the College Pro path yet for AU. I think in the next couple of years you should start seeing some data on that. They do have 30+ at the moment in D1. I expect that to increase every year. Agree on recruitment radius rules. So stupid if you ask me. On the flip side, that does make room for Georgia players. Actually it hurts Georgia players. There is a ton of territory that does not “belong” to an MLS club and those kids can go anywhere. Around here and in other territories if it’s not a good fit for your kid, he’s just SOL instead of the possibility of a good fit at a neighboring MLS club. So the kid can’t go to another MLS academy and can’t go abroad until 18 unless 1 of 3 FIFA circumstances are met, so they just have to prepare for college/abroad when graduate HS. |
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Post by allthingsoccer on Sept 8, 2020 20:46:46 GMT -5
Yikes. Maybe thats why they where cut. Maybe thinking that 1.5 hrs a day is going to cut it on being the best at AU or any top level team for that matter. I guess its a matter of opinion and the flock that you are around. I still hear lots of chatter at U17 but it does get a lot harder to get in after U14 so maybe thats why you dont hear much. (not sure). Many different paths for sure to hit the goal. Tons of kids went on to College before AU started, I wouldnt expect that to change. For a very few the Pro path is closer at AU. I'm not sure on the College Pro path yet for AU. I think in the next couple of years you should start seeing some data on that. They do have 30+ at the moment in D1. I expect that to increase every year. Agree on recruitment radius rules. So stupid if you ask me. On the flip side, that does make room for Georgia players. Actually it hurts Georgia players. There is a ton of territory that does not “belong” to an MLS club and those kids can go anywhere. Around here and in other territories if it’s not a good fit for your kid, he’s just SOL instead of the possibility of a good fit at a neighboring MLS club. So the kid can’t go to another MLS academy and can’t go abroad until 18 unless 1 of 3 FIFA circumstances are met, so they just have to prepare for college/abroad when graduate HS. If you choose an MLS club and dont live in the area you can go to that MLS club. Not sure where you are hearing where its that MLS club or nothing. You just cant be scouted from that area so you wont see out of state or zone scouts. Even at AU, you you wanted to leave in good standing TA will set up a trial for you. I heard about 3 cuts that got full rides at IMG. |
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Sept 8, 2020 21:19:09 GMT -5
Actually it hurts Georgia players. There is a ton of territory that does not “belong” to an MLS club and those kids can go anywhere. Around here and in other territories if it’s not a good fit for your kid, he’s just SOL instead of the possibility of a good fit at a neighboring MLS club. So the kid can’t go to another MLS academy and can’t go abroad until 18 unless 1 of 3 FIFA circumstances are met, so they just have to prepare for college/abroad when graduate HS. If you choose an MLS club and dont live in the area you can go to that MLS club. Not sure where you are hearing where its that MLS club or nothing. You just cant be scouted from that area so you wont see out of state or zone scouts. Even at AU, you you wanted to leave in good standing TA will set up a trial for you. I heard about 3 cuts that got full rides at IMG. Gee thanks, TA! IMG is not an MLS club, last I checked. I’m saying if you’re under 18 and live in an MLS academy territory you can not go to another MLS academy. Even if the MLS academy in your area doesn’t want you. Imagine if college football was run like that. If I’m wrong on this or if they’ve finally gotten rid of this monopolistic rule, please let me know. |
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Post by soccerdad76 on Sept 8, 2020 22:09:49 GMT -5
I don’t know... see ECNL travel, manageable. Maybe the local competition will get better if they add more big-5 clubs. Is it tiered like DA last year? Did SSA and LSA get a big influx of talent? I’m not sure what’s in it for the non-MLS clubs. I’m pulling for ECNL, though Manageable in what regards? I thought they had lots of travel to FL/ Carolina's and if in playoff those where pretty far away. pre-Covid. For the boys at least, no more regular travel to Florida as there are now separate Southeast and FL divisions. SE includes Atlanta teams and 4 in AL/TN. One weekend trip for Birmingham/Nashville and another for Chattanooga/Knoxville. Saturday night hotel for each trip and a no need to fly. We’re doing a winter showcase in Florida, but most teams tend to go out of town for tournament(s). Since it varies by team/club, the apples-to-apples comparison would be regular season only. |
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Post by allthingsoccer on Sept 9, 2020 7:58:33 GMT -5
If you choose an MLS club and dont live in the area you can go to that MLS club. Not sure where you are hearing where its that MLS club or nothing. You just cant be scouted from that area so you wont see out of state or zone scouts. Even at AU, you you wanted to leave in good standing TA will set up a trial for you. I heard about 3 cuts that got full rides at IMG. Gee thanks, TA! IMG is not an MLS club, last I checked. I’m saying if you’re under 18 and live in an MLS academy territory you can not go to another MLS academy. Even if the MLS academy in your area doesn’t want you. Imagine if college football was run like that. If I’m wrong on this or if they’ve finally gotten rid of this monopolistic rule, please let me know. IMG still pretty good. Never seen that or heard that. I know of an AU player that wanted out and went to a different MLS. (live in Atlanta) |
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Post by allthingsoccer on Sept 9, 2020 8:07:44 GMT -5
Manageable in what regards? I thought they had lots of travel to FL/ Carolina's and if in playoff those where pretty far away. pre-Covid. For the boys at least, no more regular travel to Florida as there are now separate Southeast and FL divisions. SE includes Atlanta teams and 4 in AL/TN. One weekend trip for Birmingham/Nashville and another for Chattanooga/Knoxville. Saturday night hotel for each trip and a no need to fly. We’re doing a winter showcase in Florida, but most teams tend to go out of town for tournament(s). Since it varies by team/club, the apples-to-apples comparison would be regular season only. Thats good on FL in own division. Helps a lot for sure. Yeah, out side of regular season play most teams play in quite a few tournaments. |
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Post by justwatching on Sept 9, 2020 8:14:51 GMT -5
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