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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 9, 2020 15:50:13 GMT -5
Dunno how sexist it all is...
Football gets the preference MAINLY because they draw in MUCH more $$$ in terms of boosters and attendance than all of the other sports. Biggest revenue sport gets the lion's share of the attention and space. Makes complete sense to me.
Rarely are football teams scrimmaging much during the week. You have the running backs doing their work on one part of the field and QB's and receivers on another part and defensive backs on another part of the field, then there's the linemen, etc. Then there's the offense running plays against 2nd team defense often. They usually need 50-yards for field for many plays. Now add the JV. And don't forget punters and kickers.
Usually the soccer and lacrosse players are the rich ones...
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Post by bogan on Nov 9, 2020 16:00:25 GMT -5
Dunno how sexist it all is... Football gets the preference MAINLY because they draw in MUCH more $$$ in terms of boosters and attendance than all of the other sports. Biggest revenue sport gets the lion's share of the attention and space. Makes complete sense to me. Rarely are football teams scrimmaging much during the week. You have the running backs doing their work on one part of the field and QB's and receivers on another part and defensive backs on another part of the field, then there's the linemen, etc. Then there's the offense running plays against 2nd team defense often. They usually need 50-yards for field for many plays. Now add the JV. And don't forget punters and kickers. Usually the soccer and lacrosse players are the rich ones... Punters and kickers don’t count😅🤣 |
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Post by sailingaway on Nov 10, 2020 21:46:15 GMT -5
This is so unfortunate. How irresponsible of the clubs and their staff to allow the creation of a makeshift stories to protect their rankings. There's one word for what you've outlined, CHEATING. What are they teaching the kids??? Part of the reason you put kids in sports should be to teach them how to manage in real life situations in a team setting. Adversity is part of life. So what they have H.S. soccer! Learn how to walk and chew gum. Balance your responsibilities and don't take advantage of the current climate so that you can get ahead! Parents are paying far too much money to have games canceled unnecessarily. Maybe the GA and FL Departments of Health should be alerted to make sure contact tracing has taken place. Since the teams are unknown, Public Health can reach out to ECNL and find out where the possible exposure has occurred. How do any of us know that our kids haven't played against this kid with a potential case of COVID!? And your point of rapid testing is so telling. There are rapid testing sites all over. In a situation of high level sports and mass exposure, the club should have required one to ensure everyone's health is protected. Contact tracing and quarantining is required when a POSSIBLE COVID case has been identified. That whole team better be at home until the results come back! Not one player should be at a high school game or classroom. Shame on anyone who is involved in being dishonest and sacrificing the season of other players to protect their own. All valid points! I'm not sure about current announcements, but as of yesterday wen they cancelled the trip, there were no team/club announcements of a possible exposure, they just said the weekend was cancelled with no reason, but they did have an SSCL kid train with them this past week who claim was not feeling well. That should be the priority, not because your ECNL players are injured and want to protect ranking. IMO, very SUS, just suspecting. Sad to say but the “Covid Excuse” is being used broadly across multiple sports from youth to adult leagues to cancel and reschedule at whim and not get questioned. Teams and leagues everywhere are taking advantage of the situation when they are down players, or don’t have their best available. I’m not saying everyone, but it’s real and it’s out there. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Nov 11, 2020 10:52:13 GMT -5
I’ve got kids in both footballs. It’s not just a game time availability question it’s also practice space. In fall you have 9th grade, JV, varsity football plus flag football and the marching band all vying for practice space. So five practice spaces needed. In spring you have girls soccer, boys soccer, girls lacrosse, boys lacrosse and track with space demands. Also five spaces needed (track being the only one who can practice in the game day stadium and baseball/softball usually have separate spaces). If you look at numbers there are more fall players than spring. Okay one, do not classify marching band as a sport and they don’t need grass. They can (and often do) practice in the student parking lots. Second, football which last time I checked has 11 players on the field (same as soccer) yet needs 100 paying customers on the sidelines needs all that field space is for money. If we stop with this sexist nonsense of 9th/JV/Var teams and treat them like the other sports because we all know almost all schools have about 50 true football players between JV/Var and the rest are just there to look cool. The only reason football has more numbers is because we put them on a pedestal and make them gods, stop the enabling and focus on all students not just the rich ones.
Not exactly. Most schools don't have too many two-way players.. so you're looking at 11 offense, 11 defense, and usually a handful more that only play special teams.. Plus, there's free substitution and a lot of positions get rolled constantly.
So.. it's definitely more than soccer. Does it warrant as much space as it gets? Maybe.. maybe not. I've seen plenty of soccer teams (15-16 person rosters) get 1/4 or less of a field to practice on (go to Fowler on a busy weeknight). That's not really ideal, either.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 12, 2020 0:19:26 GMT -5
There's a lot you can do with 18 players on a quarter field, but hopefully that doesnt happen 3x a wwek. Speaking of which, almost every time I've driven by South Forsyth on a weeknight its either completely empty or has 1 team in the whole park.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Nov 12, 2020 2:37:10 GMT -5
There's a lot you can do with 18 players on a quarter field, but hopefully that doesnt happen 3x a wwek. Speaking of which, almost every time I've driven by South Forsyth on a weeknight its either completely empty or has 1 team in the whole park. Honestly, it couldn't survive true daily use without completely converting it to Turf... |
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Post by flix on Nov 12, 2020 12:08:34 GMT -5
I’m curious. Are most teams just practicing until the spring starts? Or are teams having scrimmages? Most teams look like they had their last ECNL match In October. So what are teams doing until matches pick back up in January?
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Post by hammertime on Nov 12, 2020 12:29:34 GMT -5
I’m curious. Are most teams just practicing until the spring starts? Or are teams having scrimmages? Most teams look like they had their last ECNL match In October. So what are teams doing until matches pick back up in January? This only applies to the 2008s and 2007s that don't play high school in spring. The older boys play three of the next four weekends with the off weekend being Thanksgiving. Plus Greenville Dec 11-13 weekend. |
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Post by soccerdad76 on Nov 12, 2020 12:39:56 GMT -5
I’m curious. Are most teams just practicing until the spring starts? Or are teams having scrimmages? Most teams look like they had their last ECNL match In October. So what are teams doing until matches pick back up in January? Most 2007 and 2008 ECNL teams seem to have late November or early December local tournaments, so probably still practicing... we are at least. Still waiting for training plans from early December until late January / early February ECNL showcases, assuming those don’t get canceled. |
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Post by guest on Nov 12, 2020 22:01:43 GMT -5
Okay one, do not classify marching band as a sport and they don’t need grass. They can (and often do) practice in the student parking lots. Second, football which last time I checked has 11 players on the field (same as soccer) yet needs 100 paying customers on the sidelines needs all that field space is for money. If we stop with this sexist nonsense of 9th/JV/Var teams and treat them like the other sports because we all know almost all schools have about 50 true football players between JV/Var and the rest are just there to look cool. The only reason football has more numbers is because we put them on a pedestal and make them gods, stop the enabling and focus on all students not just the rich ones.
Not exactly. Most schools don't have too many two-way players.. so you're looking at 11 offense, 11 defense, and usually a handful more that only play special teams.. Plus, there's free substitution and a lot of positions get rolled constantly.
So.. it's definitely more than soccer. Does it warrant as much space as it gets? Maybe.. maybe not. I've seen plenty of soccer teams (15-16 person rosters) get 1/4 or less of a field to practice on (go to Fowler on a busy weeknight). That's not really ideal, either.
We are at a small-medium sized HS in Gwinnett and we have roughly 190 players between all three squads. Add flag football and the marching band who also practice everyday and that is a lot of practice space needed. Not sure how we could host another sport that needs field space in the fall. In the spring we have 40 players each for girls and boys soccer and girls and boys lacrosse (jv and varsity combined). That’s 160 spring field athletes. Again just not sure how the math works with fall soccer. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 16, 2021 20:04:39 GMT -5
This story isn't about shenanigans but didn't want to start a brand new thread just to let folks know that ECNL is expanding and will be adding another team to the Southeastern Conference. Personally, if it is true that South Carolina Surf does play out of Charleston, I see this as a great opportunity to make a weekend of it. Love me some Charleston... www.soccerwire.com/news/ecnl-boys-accepts-trio-of-new-member-clubs-for-2021-2022-season/ |
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Post by Keeper on Mar 16, 2021 22:25:48 GMT -5
This story isn't about shenanigans but didn't want to start a brand new thread just to let folks know that ECNL is expanding and will be adding another team to the Southeastern Conference. Personally, if it is true that South Carolina Surf does play out of Charleston, I see this as a great opportunity to make a weekend of it. Love me some Charleston... www.soccerwire.com/news/ecnl-boys-accepts-trio-of-new-member-clubs-for-2021-2022-season/Well there’s already the NPL thread about this. Are they adding just SC Surf to the Southeast Conf, or will they move CESA and SC United too?? |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 17, 2021 4:04:08 GMT -5
Good points. I guess we should start off by asking, is Atlanta United staying within the ECNL programming past this year with the MLS-Next expanding and the potential of an MLS-only specific sub-league on the horizon? So is adding SC Surf a pre-emptive move to buttress the loss of AU? I think it would make sense to add CESA and SC United, remove AU giving the conference a robust 13 teams and each team gets 24 games in a home/away schedule...
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 17, 2021 7:20:12 GMT -5
Charleston is a an issue for Tenn (especially Nashville) and Alabama teams -- that is a long way to travel.
Their a problem for the midatlantic as well -- maybe midatlantic splits into 2 divisions.
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Post by Keeper on Mar 17, 2021 10:14:34 GMT -5
Charleston is a an issue for Tenn (especially Nashville) and Alabama teams -- that is a long way to travel. Their a problem for the midatlantic as well -- maybe midatlantic splits into 2 divisions. Yeah if you’re Tenn SC and Alabama FC you’re being very nice to ECNL right now. Wonder if there’s any chance TSC gets moved into a new conference with Louisville, Cincy and Indianapolis clubs. |
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Post by hammertime on Mar 17, 2021 10:28:45 GMT -5
Charleston is a an issue for Tenn (especially Nashville) and Alabama teams -- that is a long way to travel. Their a problem for the midatlantic as well -- maybe midatlantic splits into 2 divisions. Yeah if you’re Tenn SC and Alabama FC you’re being very nice to ECNL right now. Wonder if there’s any chance TSC gets moved into a new conference with Louisville, Cincy and Indianapolis clubs. Kentucky and Ohio play high school soccer in the fall so wouldn't work to have them paired up with TN and AL and GA clubs. My guess is that there is a new Carolinas conference and the VA teams shift to a conference with some of the southern Northeast clubs. |
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Post by mightydawg on Mar 17, 2021 10:58:32 GMT -5
The ECNL press release is pretty clear about what conferences each of the teams is joining. Bayside is joining Northeast conference, Skyline is joining Mid-Atlantic conference and South Carolina Surf is joining Southeast conference.
The ECNL Boys is excited to announce that Bayside FC (RI), Skyline Elite Soccer Club (VA) and South Carolina Surf (SC) will join the nation’s most comprehensive and competitive league platform for the 2021-22 season. The addition of these three clubs will elevate competition within the Northeast, Mid-Atlantic and Southeast conferences, respectively.
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Post by diamondmid on Mar 17, 2021 11:09:44 GMT -5
I would bet some sort of realignment will be forthcoming. It's yet to be seen if Atlanta United will remain in ECNL with MLS Next expanding. They don't even participate in all ages now. My guess is the SC teams will all be part of the Southeast Conference. From the SC Surf website:
"What Conference will South Carolina Surf participate in and who are the clubs/teams?
We will be joining the Southeast Conference, while the conference map is not yet finalized, our opponents likely will include: Alabama FC (AL), Atlanta Fire (GA), Atlanta United (GA), CESA (SC) Chattanooga Red Wolves (TN), Concorde Fire(GA), FC Alliance (TN), GSA (GA), NTH-NASA (GA), South Carolina United (SC), Tennessee SC (TN), and UFA (GA)."
Seems they expect (or maybe were told) that the other SC teams will be part of the Southeast.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 17, 2021 11:48:27 GMT -5
I would bet some sort of realignment will be forthcoming. It's yet to be seen if Atlanta United will remain in ECNL with MLS Next expanding. They don't even participate in all ages now. My guess is the SC teams will all be part of the Southeast Conference. From the SC Surf website: "What Conference will South Carolina Surf participate in and who are the clubs/teams? We will be joining the Southeast Conference, while the conference map is not yet finalized, our opponents likely will include: Alabama FC (AL), Atlanta Fire (GA), Atlanta United (GA), CESA (SC) Chattanooga Red Wolves (TN), Concorde Fire(GA), FC Alliance (TN), GSA (GA), NTH-NASA (GA), South Carolina United (SC), Tennessee SC (TN), and UFA (GA)." Seems they expect (or maybe were told) that the other SC teams will be part of the Southeast. I know for Alabama and TN teams SC is a bit far but is that any worse than Florida? Nope. |
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Post by mightydawg on Mar 17, 2021 11:56:21 GMT -5
Assuming SC United is moving into ECNL Southeast conference, could very easily play in Charleston late on Saturday and Columbia on Sunday and vice versa. Just a 2 hour drive between Charleston and Columbia.
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Post by footyfan on Mar 17, 2021 12:03:56 GMT -5
Assuming SC United is moving into ECNL Southeast conference, could very easily play in Charleston late on Saturday and Columbia on Sunday and vice versa. Just a 2 hour drive between Charleston and Columbia. What about CESA? |
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Post by Keeper on Mar 17, 2021 12:29:02 GMT -5
Assuming SC United is moving into ECNL Southeast conference, could very easily play in Charleston late on Saturday and Columbia on Sunday and vice versa. Just a 2 hour drive between Charleston and Columbia. What about CESA? It’s only 2 hours from CESA to Gsa and AFU too. While it’s almost 3 hours from Tenn SC / Nashville to BUSA which is a current travel partner. |
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Post by footyfan on Mar 17, 2021 12:47:32 GMT -5
It’s only 2 hours from CESA to Gsa and AFU too. While it’s almost 3 hours from Tenn SC / Nashville to BUSA which is a current travel partner. So realign 3 SC teams to Southeast might make sense. Will there be a SE ECRL for the second teams? Or will the SC teams stay in Carolinas ECRL and SE just have SCCL? |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 17, 2021 14:54:31 GMT -5
I've always wondered if the Metro/SE teams would actually get an ECRL league separate from the SCCL. Knowing the clubs and DOCs that created the SCCL, they are not going to want to give up the gravy train and loss of control to the US Club folks by merging the two into one...
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Post by Keeper on Mar 17, 2021 16:55:23 GMT -5
I've always wondered if the Metro/SE teams would actually get an ECRL league separate from the SCCL. Knowing the clubs and DOCs that created the SCCL, they are not going to want to give up the gravy train and loss of control to the US Club folks by merging the two into one... Would it be a merge? Or would USClub come in and just say we are starting this and are excepting applications from all interested clubs. I mean Club to Club becomes less competitive but it’s still club ran like academy. So like Premier 1 was the first year. |
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Post by ball2futbol on Mar 17, 2021 20:25:35 GMT -5
I've always wondered if the Metro/SE teams would actually get an ECRL league separate from the SCCL. Knowing the clubs and DOCs that created the SCCL, they are not going to want to give up the gravy train and loss of control to the US Club folks by merging the two into one... I'm hearing the Metro/SE ECRL announcement is coming this spring! These ECNL additions, in particular SC and Ohio Valley makes the case on that pending announcement and a realignment that much more likely. Picture comes into focus and the gravy train keeps rolling, as most predicted SCCL becomes Athena reincarnated. NPL(?) |
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Post by messindreams on Mar 18, 2021 13:40:59 GMT -5
I've always wondered if the Metro/SE teams would actually get an ECRL league separate from the SCCL. Knowing the clubs and DOCs that created the SCCL, they are not going to want to give up the gravy train and loss of control to the US Club folks by merging the two into one... Looks like GSA is announcing ECRL www.gsasoccer.com/programs/camps/id-camps/ecnl-id-campECNL & ECNL Regional League ID Clinic Join top GSA staff, including current and expected ECNL and ECNL Regional League coaches for the coming seasonal year, for this high level, high energy ECNL and ECNL Regional League ID session. This camp is open to any individuals born in 2009 thru 2003 (they do not have to be a member of GSA to participate). This camp is intended as a first step towards identification for the Elite Clubs National League (ECNL) and Elite Clubs National League - Regional League (ECNL-RL) programs. |
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Post by dadofthree on Mar 18, 2021 14:29:16 GMT -5
I would assume that means all 4 ecnl teams in town and maybe Busa and the north florida ecnl teams will be part of it. Makes for more fun at tryout time. For UFA probably a pretty easy swap out npl for ercl but for the SCCL 2nd team clubs that will drop SCCL down a peg.
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Post by Keeper on Mar 18, 2021 15:33:15 GMT -5
I've always wondered if the Metro/SE teams would actually get an ECRL league separate from the SCCL. Knowing the clubs and DOCs that created the SCCL, they are not going to want to give up the gravy train and loss of control to the US Club folks by merging the two into one... Looks like GSA is announcing ECRL www.gsasoccer.com/programs/camps/id-camps/ecnl-id-campECNL & ECNL Regional League ID Clinic Join top GSA staff, including current and expected ECNL and ECNL Regional League coaches for the coming seasonal year, for this high level, high energy ECNL and ECNL Regional League ID session. This camp is open to any individuals born in 2009 thru 2003 (they do not have to be a member of GSA to participate). This camp is intended as a first step towards identification for the Elite Clubs National League (ECNL) and Elite Clubs National League - Regional League (ECNL-RL) programs. Makes sense as Drew typically gossips the most out of SCCL clubs. |
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Post by greenmonkey on Mar 18, 2021 16:39:26 GMT -5
I would assume that means all 4 ecnl teams in town and maybe Busa and the north florida ecnl teams will be part of it. Makes for more fun at tryout time. For UFA probably a pretty easy swap out npl for ercl but for the SCCL 2nd team clubs that will drop SCCL down a peg. RIP Norcross |
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