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Post by bogan on Dec 5, 2020 19:18:06 GMT -5
Anyone know why?
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Post by mistergrinch on Dec 5, 2020 20:39:35 GMT -5
Another 21yo on the roster?
(I kid, I kid)
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Post by bogan on Dec 5, 2020 21:43:41 GMT -5
Another 21yo on the roster? (I kid, I kid) Update: have heard there was an issue verifying a players age. 🙄 |
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Post by newposter on Dec 5, 2020 22:33:02 GMT -5
Imagine that....
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Dec 5, 2020 23:04:19 GMT -5
Honestly, this is like a bad rerun of the same story, with different actors but the same Director. Bruno truly detracts from all the good he and his club is trying to accomplish only to take two steps back with the same integrity issue that has dogged him now for what seems like FOREVER!!! If that stench hung over my program, I would double, triple and even quadruple check paperwork before we allow you to play. Then I'd check it again...
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Post by bogan on Dec 6, 2020 7:16:09 GMT -5
Honestly, this is like a bad rerun of the same story, with different actors but the same Director. Bruno truly detracts from all the good he and his club is trying to accomplish only to take two steps back with the same integrity issue that has dogged him now for what seems like FOREVER!!! If that stench hung over my program, I would double, triple and even quadruple check paperwork before we allow you to play. Then I'd check it again... For me it begs the question: How long do you continue to allow this guy to coach in the league? At best, he’s proven that he’s incompetent at running a legitimate club. At worst he’s a cheater who will do anything to win games. If he’s truly trying to be charitable...and this isn’t about his ego...perhaps he needs to leave running the club to someone better suited and he should focus on coaching? |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Dec 6, 2020 17:57:38 GMT -5
Wonder how That went down? They registered over aged players in Georgia soccer or played over age players under different name.
Shady.
If this is true - lifetime ban...
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Post by bogan on Dec 6, 2020 18:04:07 GMT -5
Wonder how That went down? They registered over aged players in Georgia soccer or played over age players under different name. Shady. If this is true - lifetime ban... Nope-just couldn’t coach in today’s finals for u17 and u18... But, to be fair, no one knows how old the kid is...he could be legitimate... There’s no paperwork. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Dec 6, 2020 19:33:15 GMT -5
Was the team still allowed to play?
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Post by bogan on Dec 6, 2020 19:41:22 GMT -5
Was the team still allowed to play? Not the 06s-the team in question. KSA had other teams in semifinals/finals-other than Bruno not being able to coach them, I was told nothing else happened. Maybe it’s under investigation? 🤷🏻♂️ I don’t know. I feel for the kids who did nothing wrong. It’s a shame for them. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Dec 7, 2020 7:46:39 GMT -5
Was the team still allowed to play? Not the 06s-the team in question. KSA had other teams in semifinals/finals-other than Bruno not being able to coach them, I was told nothing else happened. Maybe it’s under investigation? 🤷🏻♂️ I don’t know. I feel for the kids who did nothing wrong. It’s a shame for them. While I might feel bad a little for those kids there is no doubt parents and the team manager of that team knew something was up and just willfully turned a blind eye to it instead of addressing it, so ultimately I don't feel that bad because if the other parents cared that much about their kids getting to play they would have had it addressed and fixed before it was an issue. I've been in this too long to not believe at least a few parents knew what was going on about age verification and this kid. |
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Post by bogan on Dec 7, 2020 8:14:50 GMT -5
Not the 06s-the team in question. KSA had other teams in semifinals/finals-other than Bruno not being able to coach them, I was told nothing else happened. Maybe it’s under investigation? 🤷🏻♂️ I don’t know. I feel for the kids who did nothing wrong. It’s a shame for them. While I might feel bad a little for those kids there is no doubt parents and the team manager of that team knew something was up and just willfully turned a blind eye to it instead of addressing it, so ultimately I don't feel that bad because if the other parents cared that much about their kids getting to play they would have had it addressed and fixed before it was an issue. I've been in this too long to not believe at least a few parents knew what was going on about age verification and this kid. I can’t speak for that particular team as I don’t know anyone on it; however, I do know parents at other age groups. From what I understand: 1. The training is second to none 2. The organizational side of things is a complete shizat show. There are many immigrants who play for KSA-it is an open secret that all the paperwork is not necessarily in order. Does it mean they are playing kids that are too old? I don’t know-no one does because birth certificates are non existent. That’s definitely an issue. There are more issues at that club than I care to write about...but like I said, some are willing to role the dice because of the training and put up with it. Someone on here called it “Bruno style.” Probably an accurate assessment. As an aside, i only had a passing interest in it-my sons team lost to them in the second round of the Cup (2-0). I was curious as to why the game was a scratch when they were supposed to play Red Star in the semis. That’s when I posted asking questions. I talked to a parent from an older age group at KSA and a parent from Red Star. |
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Post by justwatching on Dec 7, 2020 8:58:45 GMT -5
I don't know anything about this situation and very little about KSA but like someone else said the kid could have been of legitimate age and just couldn't verify the age via documentation. I don't think people should automatically jump to a conclusion that they are trying to cheat.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Dec 7, 2020 8:59:56 GMT -5
exactly --- if age verification is an issue, you get that all worked out prior to entering the tournament and figure out what the appropriate steps are.
I'm not sure what the standard is, but I know kids adopted from out side of the country who are "assigned" an age and birthdate and life moves forward.
Too bad, that 2006 team is a good team. This has been an issue since the start with KSA, same ole story it sounds like.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Dec 7, 2020 9:00:50 GMT -5
I don't know anything about this situation and very little about KSA but like someone else said the kid could have been of legitimate age and just couldn't verify the age via documentation. I don't think people should automatically jump to a conclusion that they are trying to cheat. No I agree, and I'm not saying it was knowingly cheating, but obviously you know the age verification is an issue with certain players. I'm sorry if it isn't fair on that player, but as an organization, coach, director, team manger, etc... you don't allow that kid to play (whether he is legal age or not) and jeopardize the whole team. |
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Post by kidsocceruber on Dec 7, 2020 10:53:30 GMT -5
My child played a KSA team at a U9 league game with kids that certainly looked a couple of years older and a couple that were clearly around 5 or 6. I'm not even talking about State Cup here, but when you stand a full head over the next biggest child in that age group I think you should expect to at least be questioned. Is it really worth cheating U9 children to get a win in an academy game?
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Post by mistergrinch on Dec 7, 2020 10:55:16 GMT -5
*Danny Almonte has entered the chat
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Post by putmeincoach on Dec 7, 2020 11:20:59 GMT -5
From my understanding they used the brother of another player on the team (actually had the kid give his jersey to his older brother after check in while the brother was on the sidelines) and someone recognized the kid who was a senior at a local Atlanta HS and snapped a picture of him in the game. This picture made its way to GA soccer who was forced to act on it. Not sure if accurate but that is what was told to me.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Dec 7, 2020 11:36:04 GMT -5
sounds like a legit bio banded player to me...nothing to see here, move along....
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Post by atlfutboldad on Dec 7, 2020 11:50:45 GMT -5
From my understanding they used the brother of another player on the team (actually had the kid give his jersey to his older brother after check in while the brother was on the sidelines) and someone recognized the kid who was a senior at a local Atlanta HS and snapped a picture of him in the game. This picture made its way to GA soccer who was forced to act on it. Not sure if accurate but that is what was told to me.
If true, based on past infractions, I'd think a permanent sendoff is in order from Georgia Soccer.
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Post by atlutd17 on Dec 7, 2020 18:54:20 GMT -5
From my understanding they used the brother of another player on the team (actually had the kid give his jersey to his older brother after check in while the brother was on the sidelines) and someone recognized the kid who was a senior at a local Atlanta HS and snapped a picture of him in the game. This picture made its way to GA soccer who was forced to act on it. Not sure if accurate but that is what was told to me.
If true, based on past infractions, I'd think a permanent sendoff is in order from Georgia Soccer.
I wonder if the big clubs would welcome KSA into SCCL. Or do they have to have girls teams too? |
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Post by bogan on Dec 7, 2020 19:29:41 GMT -5
If true, based on past infractions, I'd think a permanent sendoff is in order from Georgia Soccer.
I wonder if the big clubs would welcome KSA into SCCL. Or do they have to have girls teams too? Probably not based on his alliance with Georgia Storm and Bill Rucker but you never know. |
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Post by Keeper on Dec 7, 2020 19:50:56 GMT -5
If true, based on past infractions, I'd think a permanent sendoff is in order from Georgia Soccer.
I wonder if the big clubs would welcome KSA into SCCL. Or do they have to have girls teams too? Not. A. Chance. Bruno’s falling out at GSA would be the main reason. I doubt they’d be accepted into the Premier divisions if they applied. |
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Post by papacoach on Dec 7, 2020 21:47:03 GMT -5
It’s differently the Bruno experience over there from losing Playing fields, paying parents being the minority and then shelling out the majority of team funds, testy, unprofessional parent interaction and team meetings with Bruno and staff, horrible club communications, logistics, planning, and supervision with away games, little to no sponsorship, poor lower team numbers and performances. When a team shows up with only 8 in mismatched uniforms, assuming Ga Soccer took notice too.
Rain, snow, or shine, it’s practice time until lights go out.
It’s true, their practices are second to none, their teams are prepared, conditioned, talented and accustomed to winning games.
Be warned, off the field, KSA is a HOT, steaming mess with everything pulling at your pulse strings, mental fatigue, and lots of patience.. On the pitch, nothing is better in team and individual player development.
Didn’t KSA boys nearly sweep the diluted state cup competition this year?
Last I heard which is calendar dated, few GA teams want to challenge them on the pitch even as a friendly.
It’s the best (on the pitch) and the worst (off the pitch) of Ga soccer.
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Post by bogan on Dec 7, 2020 22:19:11 GMT -5
It’s differently the Bruno experience over there from losing Playing fields, paying parents being the minority and then shelling out the majority of team funds, testy, unprofessional parent interaction and team meetings with Bruno and staff, horrible club communications, logistics, planning, and supervision with away games, little to no sponsorship, poor lower team numbers and performances. When a team shows up with only 8 in mismatched uniforms, assuming Ga Soccer took notice too. Rain, snow, or shine, it’s practice time until lights go out. It’s true, their practices are second to none, their teams are prepared, conditioned, talented and accustomed to winning games. Be warned, off the field, KSA is a HOT, steaming mess with everything pulling at your pulse strings, mental fatigue, and lots of patience.. On the pitch, nothing is better in team and individual player development. Didn’t KSA boys nearly sweep the diluted state cup competition this year? Last I heard which is calendar dated, few GA teams want to challenge them on the pitch even as a friendly. It’s the best (on the pitch) and the worst (off the pitch) of Ga soccer. I agree-but will add-when they get DQd from the cup-even if it’s just one team-it casts a cloud over the whole program. Sad too, b/c , after my sons team lost to them, I was rooting for them. We also scrimmaged them in the summer (I think the old Bruno van died in our parking lot)-they were good enough to win it all without the shenanigans. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Dec 7, 2020 23:42:25 GMT -5
Doesn't US Club insist on birth certificates?
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Post by georgiasoccerdad on Dec 8, 2020 8:50:48 GMT -5
Our club had a scholarship player whose family immigrated as refugees from Ethiopia or Sudan IIRC. Parents worked all the time and never made a game- other parents on the team took turns getting her to and from practice.
As I recall- we had a hard time registering her because we didn't know/couldn't prove her birthday. I was unaware that many cultures don't keep tight track of the actual birthday but rather just the year of birth. No chance at all of any government documentation even remotely resembling a birth certificate.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Dec 8, 2020 9:21:11 GMT -5
Our club had a scholarship player whose family immigrated as refugees from Ethiopia or Sudan IIRC. Parents worked all the time and never made a game- other parents on the team took turns getting her to and from practice. As I recall- we had a hard time registering her because we didn't know/couldn't prove her birthday. I was unaware that many cultures don't keep tight track of the actual birthday but rather just the year of birth. No chance at all of any government documentation even remotely resembling a birth certificate. I was also unaware of this issue in today's world. I can tell you that a lot of immigrants into the US have birthdays assigned as the first of whatever month they were born in. This happened to my husband's grandparents as well as many Russian immigrants that I saw at hospitals in Miami. I was not aware that it is still an issue but it does make sense. Many places don't keep those kinds of records and in many war torn countries if there were records they were often destroyed. |
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Post by soccerparentx on Dec 8, 2020 9:23:52 GMT -5
At the end of the day, I hate to those kids NOT get a chance to compete and play a sport that they love.
Would this be a topic of conversation if KSA had terrible teams? Ultimately maybe KSA could learn from how these bigger clubs run their operations and bigger clubs could learn how Bruno trains his kids to create some hella good teams.
It'd be interesting to see how a SCCL Club (not that they ever would considering the demographics) would deal a pool of highly talented kids with parents that immigrated with no money and little paperwork.
If it meant dominating other clubs for Georgia Soccer supremacy, I'd bet they make it work -- its just all the i's would be dotted and the t's crossed....
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Post by soccerspin on Dec 8, 2020 9:27:48 GMT -5
Don’t they need some sort of paperwork proving a birthdate (even if it is an assigned one upon reaching this country) for school? So why can’t that same paperwork be used for soccer?
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