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Post by allthingsoccer on Mar 9, 2021 19:03:16 GMT -5
Big games for AU this weekend. MLS Next
Orlando City vs Atlanta United (Sat)
Jacksonville FC vs Atlanta United (Sun)
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 9, 2021 22:14:47 GMT -5
Is this for all teams or just specific age groups...
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Post by hammertime on Mar 9, 2021 23:55:05 GMT -5
Of those 18 clubs, how many are MLS academies? Of the ones who are not MLS academies, do they have their top team in MLS Next or in ECNL? 6 of the 18 are MLS academies. I don't know which clubs have second teams in ECNL but I would expect all 18 the club's first teams to be in MLS Next. We will have to agree to disagree that 15% is "many"  but from what I have seen based on the teams AU has fielded in ECNL games it is not their second team playing in ECNL matches. Maybe a younger age group in some games but still their top player pool. That's all they have. They don't have a "second" team. I'll give that the second teams for Tampa and Orlando were probably the ECNL squads as those teams when we played them last year weren't very good. |
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Post by allthingsoccer on Mar 10, 2021 18:04:15 GMT -5
Is this for all teams or just specific age groups... I think all ages from what I can tell. |
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Post by allthingsoccer on Mar 10, 2021 18:06:50 GMT -5
6 of the 18 are MLS academies. I don't know which clubs have second teams in ECNL but I would expect all 18 the club's first teams to be in MLS Next. We will have to agree to disagree that 15% is "many" but from what I have seen based on the teams AU has fielded in ECNL games it is not their second team playing in ECNL matches. Maybe a younger age group in some games but still their top player pool. That's all they have. They don't have a "second" team. I'll give that the second teams for Tampa and Orlando were probably the ECNL squads as those teams when we played them last year weren't very good. Its for sure a mix of players, some that dont start in the bigger MLS matches with younger players. No true "2nd" team but not sure I have seen the same lineup week to week all year. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 10, 2021 19:22:33 GMT -5
It’s my understanding Orlando city mls academy is completely separate from Orlando city ecnl.
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Post by allthingsoccer on Mar 10, 2021 22:23:30 GMT -5
It’s my understanding Orlando city mls academy is completely separate from Orlando city ecnl. I was under the same assumption. They have MLS teams and ECNL. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 11, 2021 8:25:13 GMT -5
I've also heard a rumor -- that Orlando City was dropping their academy....
Now -- to clarify, i've heard the same rumor for the past 5 years.
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Post by bogan on Mar 11, 2021 8:27:30 GMT -5
I've also heard a rumor -- that Orlando City was dropping their academy.... Now -- to clarify, i've heard the same rumor for the past 5 years. I was going to say that this is a perennial rumor... |
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Post by footyfan on Mar 11, 2021 9:58:31 GMT -5
I've also heard a rumor -- that Orlando City was dropping their academy.... Now -- to clarify, i've heard the same rumor for the past 5 years. I was going to say that this is a perennial rumor... I've heard the same rumor that Orlando City was going to have a decent MLS team for 5 years. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 13, 2021 22:30:16 GMT -5
Big games for AU this weekend. MLS Next Orlando City vs Atlanta United (Sat) Jacksonville FC vs Atlanta United (Sun) This is what I'm hearing... 👏👏👏 U14: 3-2 AU U15: 5-2 AU U16: 3-2 AU U17: 2-1 AU U19: 3-1 AU Way to represent the ATL against the purple freaks south of us #OFYO |
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Post by localsoccernovice on Mar 14, 2021 12:02:06 GMT -5
What “many” teams have 2nd teams in boys Ecnl ? Will ECNL allow them to put their "second team" in boys ECNL? They did not allow that for girls Interesting rumors about UFA. For boys ECNL there are many clubs with their second team in ECNL. Clubs with MLS Next and ECNL often, if not every club, puts their second team in ECNL and first in MLS Next. I don't think ECNL on the boys side has the leverage to force an ultimatum of first team or nothing with a lot of big name clubs. For the girls there are also several second teams in ECNL but the difference is the first team is also in ECNL e.g. Concorde. For girls there are even a couple clubs with their first, second, and third teams in ECNL e.g. PDA |
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Post by hawkfan on Mar 14, 2021 13:59:43 GMT -5
We will never know who the first or second team is for MLS Next. Buddies kid played ECNL and lost 1 game to the local MLS Academy teams in 3 years in scrimmages. That was 1-0 with them being without 5 starters. If MLS is as careful with MLS Next playing only within their "league", this debate will never be settled.
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Post by bogan on Mar 14, 2021 14:58:51 GMT -5
We will never know who the first or second team is for MLS Next. Buddies kid played ECNL and lost 1 game to the local MLS Academy teams in 3 years in scrimmages. That was 1-0 with them being without 5 starters. If MLS is as careful with MLS Next playing only within their "league", this debate will never be settled. Isn’t that the idea? |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 14, 2021 17:09:10 GMT -5
Heard rumors again about a tiered MLS next league..
If it goes that direction, I wouldn’t look for many more clubs to make the jump.
And I’d go as far to say it would be the death of the league as well.
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Post by bogan on Mar 14, 2021 17:46:24 GMT -5
Heard rumors again about a tiered MLS next league.. If it goes that direction, I wouldn’t look for many more clubs to make the jump. And I’d go as far to say it would be the death of the league as well. Didn’t they do that with DA before it collapsed? |
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Post by newposter on Mar 15, 2021 19:48:11 GMT -5
I believe they did. Doubt that this will work. Look at the failure the old system had at developing USMNT. It didnt.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 15, 2021 19:54:55 GMT -5
Yep - last year DA tiered the older age group and pissed off a lot of people.
And if I’m not mistaken they did the same thing pretty much for the DA cup during the regular season for the 17s
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 15, 2021 20:33:05 GMT -5
I believe they did. Doubt that this will work. Look at the failure the old system had at developing USMNT. It didnt. I disagree with this statement. Let's wait and see how the men's team does at the next World Cup. We currently have more players than ever before playing Champions League and lots of other young guys breaking into rosters at other top European leagues like Matthew Hoppe and Brendan Aaronson. Everyone in the US is so damn impatient! All these guys are 18-23 and are doing amazing in European leagues! Yes many of them played in Europe starting at 16 or 17 if they had passports but a number did not. Plus they had to get good enough to trial out there by their US clubs. I think DA did what it was supposed to do for the guys. Pool the best talent and get them playing against each other. Not saying that MLS Next will replicate. But I think DA was good for the guys. |
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Post by mightydawg on Mar 15, 2021 20:44:49 GMT -5
I believe they did. Doubt that this will work. Look at the failure the old system had at developing USMNT. It didnt. I disagree with this statement. Let's wait and see how the men's team does at the next World Cup. We currently have more players than ever before playing Champions League and lots of other young guys breaking into rosters at other top European leagues like Matthew Hoppe and Brendan Aaronson. Everyone in the US is so damn impatient! All these guys are 18-23 and are doing amazing in European leagues! Yes many of them played in Europe starting at 16 or 17 if they had passports but a number did not. Plus they had to get good enough to trial out there by their US clubs. I think DA did what it was supposed to do for the guys. Pool the best talent and get them playing against each other. Not saying that MLS Next will replicate. But I think DA was good for the guys. That is the odd part about it. Just as DA was starting to pay dividends, US Soccer shut it down. There is a strong group of young American players at the moment. |
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Post by footyfan on Mar 16, 2021 7:20:37 GMT -5
I disagree with this statement. Let's wait and see how the men's team does at the next World Cup. We currently have more players than ever before playing Champions League and lots of other young guys breaking into rosters at other top European leagues like Matthew Hoppe and Brendan Aaronson. Everyone in the US is so damn impatient! All these guys are 18-23 and are doing amazing in European leagues! Yes many of them played in Europe starting at 16 or 17 if they had passports but a number did not. Plus they had to get good enough to trial out there by their US clubs. I think DA did what it was supposed to do for the guys. Pool the best talent and get them playing against each other. Not saying that MLS Next will replicate. But I think DA was good for the guys. That is the odd part about it. Just as DA was starting to pay dividends, US Soccer shut it down. There is a strong group of young American players at the moment. It would be great to see a bio of the uSMNT/USMNT "starting IX" with the same detail they had for Cal Jennings in another thread to see where kids played U8-U12, U12-U15, U16+. But also show what primary leagues they played in each year(USYS/USCS level) and if their teams and clubs were the best in the area at the time. Maybe that can be somebody's sports management master's thesis showing what actual keys to success/failure are in youth soccer. |
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Post by justwatching on Mar 16, 2021 15:51:36 GMT -5
I believe they did. Doubt that this will work. Look at the failure the old system had at developing USMNT. It didnt. I disagree with this statement. Let's wait and see how the men's team does at the next World Cup. We currently have more players than ever before playing Champions League and lots of other young guys breaking into rosters at other top European leagues like Matthew Hoppe and Brendan Aaronson. Everyone in the US is so damn impatient! All these guys are 18-23 and are doing amazing in European leagues! Yes many of them played in Europe starting at 16 or 17 if they had passports but a number did not. Plus they had to get good enough to trial out there by their US clubs. I think DA did what it was supposed to do for the guys. Pool the best talent and get them playing against each other. Not saying that MLS Next will replicate. But I think DA was good for the guys. DA did a great job getting more Americans to European clubs and YNT groups better than the have ever been. Hopefully MLS Next can pick it back up because I think not having 10 month training and competition will significantly hurt the US's chances to close the gap with the rest of the world |
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Post by firedragon on Mar 16, 2021 16:59:49 GMT -5
MLS Next has potential. I suspect some of the clubs that initially joined the league will be weeded out if they don’t start building up talent fast.
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Post by messindreams on Jun 11, 2021 11:24:07 GMT -5
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Post by mightydawg on Jun 11, 2021 12:04:04 GMT -5
Interesting that they do not list which age groups these clubs are getting. Just younger teams (13, 14) or all ages.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jun 11, 2021 12:13:02 GMT -5
Interesting that they do not list which age groups these clubs are getting. Just younger teams (13, 14) or all ages. who is OCSS south? |
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Post by bogan on Jun 11, 2021 12:18:24 GMT -5
Interesting that they do not list which age groups these clubs are getting. Just younger teams (13, 14) or all ages. who is OCSS south? Orlando City |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jun 11, 2021 12:21:06 GMT -5
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Post by onekickpop on Jun 11, 2021 12:34:30 GMT -5
When I look at the teams in MLSNEXT here in GA, I can’t see any of them being competitive against AU or any other MLS team. Are these teams joining MLSNEXT because they are not getting accepted into ECNL? Competition in the SE for MLSNEXT has to be limited. Give this program another 5 years. For now, the better competition and quality games are elsewhere.
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Post by Brinker on Jun 11, 2021 13:40:52 GMT -5
When I look at the teams in MLSNEXT here in GA, I can’t see any of them being competitive against AU or any other MLS team. Are these teams joining MLSNEXT because they are not getting accepted into ECNL? Competition in the SE for MLSNEXT has to be limited. Give this program another 5 years. For now, the better competition and quality games are elsewhere. It certainly feels like (in GA) the MLSNEXT league is for the leftover teams that don’t make ECNL. UFA, NASA, GSA, and CF all chose ECNL and ECRL. AU will dominate those other MLSNEXT teams. |
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but from what I have seen based on the teams AU has fielded in ECNL games it is not their second team playing in ECNL matches. Maybe a younger age group in some games but still their top player pool. That's all they have. They don't have a "second" team. I'll give that the second teams for Tampa and Orlando were probably the ECNL squads as those teams when we played them last year weren't very good. 
