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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 5, 2021 14:23:37 GMT -5
The war is on, or continues. It's not about what is best for the kids -- its boys ecnl vs MLS next. who comes out on top will be interesting. I forsee ecnl sticking around for "eternity", MLS could close up shop in any minute with the mls academies and mls next is dunzo. I still think the future of mls next is an MLS only tier.... MLS NEXT adds five clubs for 2021-22 season outline.com/UuymP7MLS NEXT has added five clubs for its second season in 2021-22. The new members -- Hoover-Vestavia Soccer, Lou Fusz Athletic, Texas United, Tormenta FC and Wake Futbol Club -- cover five different states. Hoover-Vestavia Soccer is the first MLS NEXT club based in Alabama, which has produced three new U.S. internationals in the last year. Wake Futbol Club (top photo) is just the second club based in North Carolina. MLS NEXT's penetration is the weakest in the Mid-Atlantic (Virginia to Georgia), where most top clubs play in the ECNL Boys. |
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Post by cleansheet on Mar 5, 2021 15:18:23 GMT -5
The war is on, or continues. It's not about what is best for the kids -- its boys ecnl vs MLS next. who comes out on top will be interesting. I for see ecnl sticking around for "eternity", MLS could close up shop in any minute with the mls academies and mls next is dunzo. I still the future of mls next is an MLS only tier.... MLS NEXT adds five clubs for 2021-22 season outline.com/UuymP7MLS NEXT has added five clubs for its second season in 2021-22. The new members -- Hoover-Vestavia Soccer, Lou Fusz Athletic, Texas United, Tormenta FC and Wake Futbol Club -- cover five different states. Hoover-Vestavia Soccer is the first MLS NEXT club based in Alabama, which has produced three new U.S. internationals in the last year. Wake Futbol Club (top photo) is just the second club based in North Carolina. MLS NEXT's penetration is the weakest in the Mid-Atlantic (Virginia to Georgia), where most top clubs play in the ECNL Boys. Hoover, Tormenta and Wake are in the same NPL league as UFA. They are gone plus SSA and AFC are already leaving. What will UFA do? |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 5, 2021 15:19:44 GMT -5
The war is on, or continues. It's not about what is best for the kids -- its boys ecnl vs MLS next. who comes out on top will be interesting. I for see ecnl sticking around for "eternity", MLS could close up shop in any minute with the mls academies and mls next is dunzo. I still the future of mls next is an MLS only tier.... MLS NEXT adds five clubs for 2021-22 season outline.com/UuymP7MLS NEXT has added five clubs for its second season in 2021-22. The new members -- Hoover-Vestavia Soccer, Lou Fusz Athletic, Texas United, Tormenta FC and Wake Futbol Club -- cover five different states. Hoover-Vestavia Soccer is the first MLS NEXT club based in Alabama, which has produced three new U.S. internationals in the last year. Wake Futbol Club (top photo) is just the second club based in North Carolina. MLS NEXT's penetration is the weakest in the Mid-Atlantic (Virginia to Georgia), where most top clubs play in the ECNL Boys. Hoover, Tormenta and Wake are in the same NPL league as UFA. They are gone plus SSA and AFC are already leaving. What will UFA do? Are SSA and AFC leaving boys side NPL? I know they are leaving girls side. |
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Post by cleansheet on Mar 5, 2021 15:24:13 GMT -5
Hoover, Tormenta and Wake are in the same NPL league as UFA. They are gone plus SSA and AFC are already leaving. What will UFA do? Are SSA and AFC leaving boys side NPL? I know they are leaving girls side. Don’t know yet, but NPL in south Atlantic is falling apart. |
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Post by mightydawg on Mar 5, 2021 17:01:01 GMT -5
Can it be considered a war if a league is scooping up teams that are not affiliated with the other league? Right now, it seems like leagues are trying to strengthen their ranks. The first shot is not fired until a team leaves one league for the other.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 5, 2021 20:03:29 GMT -5
I agree - heard rumors of some clubs thinking of jumping from ecnl to mls next, at least for some top teams. I guess for now it won’t happen. I don’t think mls next is done though. I expect more announcements.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 5, 2021 20:21:00 GMT -5
Lou Fusz Athletic, isn't that the club that one of the current AU announcers is now head of - Dan Gargan
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 5, 2021 20:24:58 GMT -5
I don’t think mls next is done though. I expect more announcements. I concur, if you look at the wording of the announcement, this was an early shot. If there are going to new clubs added in May, I hope it's early may so as to allow parents, clubs, families to plan on making inroads into potential clubs n teams, if MLS Next is the route they choose to take as opposed to Boys ECNL... "MLS NEXT Expands; Announces Early Admissions Ahead of 2021-2022 Season Regular Admissions to be Announced in May" |
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Post by bogan on Mar 5, 2021 20:26:46 GMT -5
Lou Fusz Athletic, isn't that the club that one of the current AU announcers is now head of - Dan Gargan Yes, Dan is the GM. |
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Post by justwatching on Mar 6, 2021 0:43:08 GMT -5
You would have to expect MLS Next to be the eventual premier league for boys. Having the backing of MLS will allow it to grow in strength quickly. ECNL on the boys side was previously the clear cut number two so it is still trying to establish itself in the market. I would be surprised if here in Atlanta your big clubs don't join MLS Next on the boys side and Atl United completely exit ECNL.
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Post by ga3v3 on Mar 6, 2021 9:08:59 GMT -5
I thought ufa was getting mls next? They were offered last year so why not again? Forsyth premier will move to ecnl and they will drop NPL altogether
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 6, 2021 9:33:17 GMT -5
I thought ufa was getting mls next? They were offered last year so why not again? Forsyth premier will move to ecnl and they will drop NPL altogether Will ECNL allow them to put their "second team" in boys ECNL? They did not allow that for girls Interesting rumors about UFA. |
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Post by bogan on Mar 6, 2021 9:52:01 GMT -5
You would have to expect MLS Next to be the eventual premier league for boys. Having the backing of MLS will allow it to grow in strength quickly. ECNL on the boys side was previously the clear cut number two so it is still trying to establish itself in the market. I would be surprised if here in Atlanta your big clubs don't join MLS Next on the boys side and Atl United completely exit ECNL. With one caveat-they don’t arbitrarily assign league strata with no pro rel possibility. |
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Post by justwatching on Mar 6, 2021 11:52:18 GMT -5
I thought ufa was getting mls next? They were offered last year so why not again? Forsyth premier will move to ecnl and they will drop NPL altogether Will ECNL allow them to put their "second team" in boys ECNL? They did not allow that for girls Interesting rumors about UFA. For boys ECNL there are many clubs with their second team in ECNL. Clubs with MLS Next and ECNL often, if not every club, puts their second team in ECNL and first in MLS Next. I don't think ECNL on the boys side has the leverage to force an ultimatum of first team or nothing with a lot of big name clubs. For the girls there are also several second teams in ECNL but the difference is the first team is also in ECNL e.g. Concorde. For girls there are even a couple clubs with their first, second, and third teams in ECNL e.g. PDA |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 6, 2021 14:02:25 GMT -5
Will ECNL allow them to put their "second team" in boys ECNL? They did not allow that for girls Interesting rumors about UFA. For boys ECNL there are many clubs with their second team in ECNL. Clubs with MLS Next and ECNL often, if not every club, puts their second team in ECNL and first in MLS Next. I don't think ECNL on the boys side has the leverage to force an ultimatum of first team or nothing with a lot of big name clubs. For the girls there are also several second teams in ECNL but the difference is the first team is also in ECNL e.g. Concorde. For girls there are even a couple clubs with their first, second, and third teams in ECNL e.g. PDA Yeah I know about the girls side. The PDA situation was interesting to me. 3 teams is a lot. That just started this year but that is a big club and they put one of the teams in a different conference. Thanks for the info on boys ECNL. I was not aware of clubs with second teams in boys ECNL. |
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Post by allthingsoccer on Mar 7, 2021 17:49:49 GMT -5
So if you play in MLS Next you elect to not play High School.
What is the penalty if caught?
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Post by bogan on Mar 7, 2021 18:04:53 GMT -5
So if you play in MLS Next you elect to not play High School. What is the penalty if caught? The parents of said player will be tarred, feathered, drawn and quartered...😉 |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 7, 2021 18:24:23 GMT -5
So if you play in MLS Next you elect to not play High School. What is the penalty if caught? Yessir, since it's a yearlong (10-month) league, as opposed to the traditional league like ECNL, where you get a break in the spring season, to play High School ball. Thankfully, we don't have to worry about soccer jail but again I think like with all "infractions" in soccer it wholly depends on the playing level of your player and what the club or the DOC is willing to allow. I've heard of 3 players at AU playing other sports with the wink wink blessings of the club. Regardless, I would say clear it with your club first, as hiding it will eventually get out and put your kid in an untenable situation which will warrant a conversation you may not appreciate... |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 7, 2021 18:25:46 GMT -5
So if you play in MLS Next you elect to not play High School. What is the penalty if caught? The parents of said player will be tarred, feathered, drawn and quartered...😉 Depends how good the kid is.... Kids a baller - no punishment Kids player 14-18, given life time ban. Was their a punishment in DA - I knew kids that played high school while playing DA.... shhh don’t tell anyone. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 7, 2021 18:45:17 GMT -5
So if you play in MLS Next you elect to not play High School. What is the penalty if caught? The parents of said player will be tarred, feathered, drawn and quartered...😉 Due to the restrictions of Covid, you may be Air-Slapped too 😊 |
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Post by bogan on Mar 7, 2021 19:01:39 GMT -5
The parents of said player will be tarred, feathered, drawn and quartered...😉 Due to the restrictions of Covid, you may be Air-Slapped too 😊 🤣 |
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Post by onekickpop on Mar 8, 2021 14:57:04 GMT -5
The best competition still remains in ECNL for now. MLS NEXT seems to have their work cut out for them. Once you see big clubs like NCFC or others jump in I can see the pendulum swinging towards MLS NEXT.
I will go out on a limb and say that the clubs jumping in early are looking for a home and likely would not be super competitive in ECNL.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 8, 2021 15:21:34 GMT -5
MLS next's big problem is they have the top tier, but are missing that big 2nd group, at least in the southeast. the CSAs, NCFCs, UFAs, Concordes etc. the website needs some work to, using gotsoccer makes it look like a 3rd tier local youth soccer tournament. What happened to the fall schedules and results, are they no longer shown? Is the fall and spring results not combined? system.gotsport.com/org_event/events/3398 |
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Post by onekickpop on Mar 8, 2021 15:53:57 GMT -5
How annoying. Unless I am missing something, are they intentionally using check marks in the GotSoccer link you shared vs advertising the game scores? Who sits on top of each age group? Do they also do the same with their Unite Cup games?
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 8, 2021 16:12:08 GMT -5
How annoying. Unless I am missing something, are they intentionally using check marks in the GotSoccer link you shared vs advertising the game scores? Who sits on top of each age group? Do they also do the same with their Unite Cup games? yea, the matrix is a challenge to interpret, you have to click on schedule vs results. |
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Post by hammertime on Mar 8, 2021 18:58:31 GMT -5
For boys ECNL there are many clubs with their second team in ECNL. Clubs with MLS Next and ECNL often, if not every club, puts their second team in ECNL and first in MLS Next. I don't think ECNL on the boys side has the leverage to force an ultimatum of first team or nothing with a lot of big name clubs. For the girls there are also several second teams in ECNL but the difference is the first team is also in ECNL e.g. Concorde. For girls there are even a couple clubs with their first, second, and third teams in ECNL e.g. PDA Yeah I know about the girls side. The PDA situation was interesting to me. 3 teams is a lot. That just started this year but that is a big club and they put one of the teams in a different conference. Thanks for the info on boys ECNL. I was not aware of clubs with second teams in boys ECNL. I would be interested to see the list of boys clubs with their second team in ECNL. It shouldn't take long to compile....because it is far cry from "many." In the Mid-Atlantic, Southwest and Florida conferences in ECNL I believe it is just Atlanta United, Orlando City and Tampa Bay that also are in MLS Next. That's like 3 out of 35 clubs. Not to mention that AU wasn't playing their "second" team in ECNL. They would just play their first teams up an age group against certain opponents...mainly the non-Atlanta clubs. That was well documented here as some believed, rightfully so, it skewed the standings when NASA or Concorde U15s played and lost to the AU U15s but then ALFC or the TN teams played the AU U14s. Speaking of second teams. So Wake, Tormenta and Vestavia were in a league (NPL) with UFA's second team and think they can compete with MLS academies? What a joke. D.C. United isn't going to want to trot out their residency kids against a team from Statesboro. There might be enough players in North Carolina for Wake to compete. But South Georgia and Birmingham? Vestavia isn't even the best club in Alabama. The GA teams in MLS Next are going to be Atlanta United, Inter Atlanta, LSA, SSA and Tormenta. I'd prefer my kid to play against Concorde x2, GSA, AFU, NASA and UFA's best team over that lot. And get to play high school as well. That probably hasn't set in to the members of those clubs. |
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Post by cleansheet on Mar 8, 2021 23:01:46 GMT -5
Yeah I know about the girls side. The PDA situation was interesting to me. 3 teams is a lot. That just started this year but that is a big club and they put one of the teams in a different conference. Thanks for the info on boys ECNL. I was not aware of clubs with second teams in boys ECNL. I would be interested to see the list of boys clubs with their second team in ECNL. It shouldn't take long to compile....because it is far cry from "many." In the Mid-Atlantic, Southwest and Florida conferences in ECNL I believe it is just Atlanta United, Orlando City and Tampa Bay that also are in MLS Next. That's like 3 out of 35 clubs. Not to mention that AU wasn't playing their "second" team in ECNL. They would just play their first teams up an age group against certain opponents...mainly the non-Atlanta clubs. That was well documented here as some believed, rightfully so, it skewed the standings when NASA or Concorde U15s played and lost to the AU U15s but then ALFC or the TN teams played the AU U14s. Speaking of second teams. So Wake, Tormenta and Vestavia were in a league (NPL) with UFA's second team and think they can compete with MLS academies? What a joke. D.C. United isn't going to want to trot out their residency kids against a team from Statesboro. There might be enough players in North Carolina for Wake to compete. But South Georgia and Birmingham? Vestavia isn't even the best club in Alabama. The GA teams in MLS Next are going to be Atlanta United, Inter Atlanta, LSA, SSA and Tormenta. I'd prefer my kid to play against Concorde x2, GSA, AFU, NASA and UFA's best team over that lot. And get to play high school as well. That probably hasn't set in to the members of those clubs. Tormenta senior USL 2 side is based in Statesboro but the academy seems to be located in the HHI/Savannah area. More kids to draw from. |
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Post by justwatching on Mar 9, 2021 10:08:43 GMT -5
Yeah I know about the girls side. The PDA situation was interesting to me. 3 teams is a lot. That just started this year but that is a big club and they put one of the teams in a different conference. Thanks for the info on boys ECNL. I was not aware of clubs with second teams in boys ECNL. I would be interested to see the list of boys clubs with their second team in ECNL. It shouldn't take long to compile....because it is far cry from "many." In the Mid-Atlantic, Southwest and Florida conferences in ECNL I believe it is just Atlanta United, Orlando City and Tampa Bay that also are in MLS Next. That's like 3 out of 35 clubs. Not to mention that AU wasn't playing their "second" team in ECNL. They would just play their first teams up an age group against certain opponents...mainly the non-Atlanta clubs. That was well documented here as some believed, rightfully so, it skewed the standings when NASA or Concorde U15s played and lost to the AU U15s but then ALFC or the TN teams played the AU U14s. Speaking of second teams. So Wake, Tormenta and Vestavia were in a league (NPL) with UFA's second team and think they can compete with MLS academies? What a joke. D.C. United isn't going to want to trot out their residency kids against a team from Statesboro. There might be enough players in North Carolina for Wake to compete. But South Georgia and Birmingham? Vestavia isn't even the best club in Alabama. The GA teams in MLS Next are going to be Atlanta United, Inter Atlanta, LSA, SSA and Tormenta. I'd prefer my kid to play against Concorde x2, GSA, AFU, NASA and UFA's best team over that lot. And get to play high school as well. That probably hasn't set in to the members of those clubs. There are 18 clubs in both MLS Next and ECNL on the Boys side so roughly 15% of the MLS membership (and 14% of ECNL membership). I would say 18 is "many". Not close to the majority but not an insignificant number  . |
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Post by mightydawg on Mar 9, 2021 10:44:47 GMT -5
I would be interested to see the list of boys clubs with their second team in ECNL. It shouldn't take long to compile....because it is far cry from "many." In the Mid-Atlantic, Southwest and Florida conferences in ECNL I believe it is just Atlanta United, Orlando City and Tampa Bay that also are in MLS Next. That's like 3 out of 35 clubs. Not to mention that AU wasn't playing their "second" team in ECNL. They would just play their first teams up an age group against certain opponents...mainly the non-Atlanta clubs. That was well documented here as some believed, rightfully so, it skewed the standings when NASA or Concorde U15s played and lost to the AU U15s but then ALFC or the TN teams played the AU U14s. Speaking of second teams. So Wake, Tormenta and Vestavia were in a league (NPL) with UFA's second team and think they can compete with MLS academies? What a joke. D.C. United isn't going to want to trot out their residency kids against a team from Statesboro. There might be enough players in North Carolina for Wake to compete. But South Georgia and Birmingham? Vestavia isn't even the best club in Alabama. The GA teams in MLS Next are going to be Atlanta United, Inter Atlanta, LSA, SSA and Tormenta. I'd prefer my kid to play against Concorde x2, GSA, AFU, NASA and UFA's best team over that lot. And get to play high school as well. That probably hasn't set in to the members of those clubs. There are 18 clubs in both MLS Next and ECNL on the Boys side so roughly 15% of the MLS membership (and 14% of ECNL membership). I would say 18 is "many". Not close to the majority but not an insignificant number . Of those 18 clubs, how many are MLS academies? Of the ones who are not MLS academies, do they have their top team in MLS Next or in ECNL? |
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Post by justwatching on Mar 9, 2021 11:18:52 GMT -5
There are 18 clubs in both MLS Next and ECNL on the Boys side so roughly 15% of the MLS membership (and 14% of ECNL membership). I would say 18 is "many". Not close to the majority but not an insignificant number . Of those 18 clubs, how many are MLS academies? Of the ones who are not MLS academies, do they have their top team in MLS Next or in ECNL? 6 of the 18 are MLS academies. I don't know which clubs have second teams in ECNL but I would expect all 18 the club's first teams to be in MLS Next. |
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