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Post by greenmonkey on May 3, 2021 8:58:14 GMT -5
I have heard her name several times in person and seen it on the forum but I can not figure out which NK is the one I am looking for.
She has a summer camp and does personal training but is top notch for pushing players to identify their goals and self motivation? If anyone has PERSONAL FIRST HAND knowledge I would appreciate it as well.
She is either NK = Nkiru Okosieme at UFA
or NK = Nadine Kezebie at AFU
Thanks in Advance
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on May 3, 2021 9:02:11 GMT -5
I have heard her name several times in person and seen it on the forum but I can not figure out which NK is the one I am looking for. She has a summer camp and does personal training but is top notch for pushing players to identify their goals and self motivation? If anyone has PERSONAL FIRST HAND knowledge I would appreciate it as well. She is either NK = Nkiru Okosieme at UFA or NK = Nadine Kezebie at AFU Thanks in Advance NK is the one at UFA. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 3, 2021 9:31:40 GMT -5
I have heard her name several times in person and seen it on the forum but I can not figure out which NK is the one I am looking for. She has a summer camp and does personal training but is top notch for pushing players to identify their goals and self motivation? If anyone has PERSONAL FIRST HAND knowledge I would appreciate it as well. She is either NK = Nkiru Okosieme at UFA or NK = Nadine Kezebie at AFU Thanks in Advance One goes by NK and is usually Nkiru Okosieme at UFA, the other NK goes by Nadine and is Nadine Kezebie at AFU. NK is coaching fully at UFA and Nadine is taking a step back and is primarily doing privates and personal training. Hope that helps... |
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 3, 2021 9:40:20 GMT -5
I have heard her name several times in person and seen it on the forum but I can not figure out which NK is the one I am looking for. She has a summer camp and does personal training but is top notch for pushing players to identify their goals and self motivation? If anyone has PERSONAL FIRST HAND knowledge I would appreciate it as well. She is either NK = Nkiru Okosieme at UFA or NK = Nadine Kezebie at AFU Thanks in Advance You are looking for Nadine. I have personal first hand knowledge of both coaches. NK at UFA does not do camps and privates. Nadine does. PM with questions. |
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Post by Keeper on May 3, 2021 9:54:02 GMT -5
Nadine from AFU typically coached the older upper levels girls teams. She’s a hardass and very demanding. Extremely knowledgeable and helpful on the technical side of the game but usually out coached on the tactical. Which is why her ECNL teams typically finished in the bottom of the group. This is a coach too worried about playing her favorites to make appropriate subs. If you pay extra for her personal training and have a top athletic daughter she can make their touch and skills great. Don’t want to pay extra or your kid isnt an ECNL level athlete and she’ll probably make your kid want to quit too.
Nadine does push her players / scream at them until they figure it out. If that leads to self motivation for your kid then sure, otherwise there won’t be any motivation unless you open the wallet at. Again this is all from a non ECNL team experience so going for a couple training sessions or camps this summer may be okay.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 3, 2021 9:59:08 GMT -5
Nadine from AFU typically coached the older upper levels girls teams. She’s a hardass and very demanding. Extremely knowledgeable and helpful on the technical side of the game but usually out coached on the tactical. Which is why her ECNL teams typically finished in the bottom of the group. This is a coach too worried about playing her favorites to make appropriate subs. If you pay extra for her personal training and have a top athletic daughter she can make their touch and skills great. Don’t want to pay extra or your kid isnt an ECNL level athlete and she’ll probably make your kid want to quit too. Nadine does push her players / scream at them until they figure it out. If that leads to self motivation for your kid then sure, otherwise there won’t be any motivation unless you open the wallet at. Again this is all from a non ECNL team experience so going for a couple training sessions or camps this summer may be okay. She is not coaching teams next year so the opening the wallet issue for playing time is not an issue. She does push players. I have had my younger daughter cry a few times after sessions (she is a sensitive kid though) but she still wants to go back and she loves Nadine. She does also say good things to the kids so it is not only bad. Most of the time she has the knack of knowing when she is pushing too hard and makes sure she throws some positivity in there too. No question if your kid is sensitive then it may not be the right person for you. I should also mention that my younger kid is not ECNL level and is too young for that anyway. She started with her at U10. |
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Post by Keeper on May 3, 2021 10:23:09 GMT -5
Nadine from AFU typically coached the older upper levels girls teams. She’s a hardass and very demanding. Extremely knowledgeable and helpful on the technical side of the game but usually out coached on the tactical. Which is why her ECNL teams typically finished in the bottom of the group. This is a coach too worried about playing her favorites to make appropriate subs. If you pay extra for her personal training and have a top athletic daughter she can make their touch and skills great. Don’t want to pay extra or your kid isnt an ECNL level athlete and she’ll probably make your kid want to quit too. Nadine does push her players / scream at them until they figure it out. If that leads to self motivation for your kid then sure, otherwise there won’t be any motivation unless you open the wallet at. Again this is all from a non ECNL team experience so going for a couple training sessions or camps this summer may be okay. She is not coaching teams next year so the opening the wallet issue for playing time is not an issue. She does push players. I have had my younger daughter cry a few times after sessions (she is a sensitive kid though) but she still wants to go back and she loves Nadine. She does also say good things to the kids so it is not only bad. Most of the time she has the knack of knowing when she is pushing too hard and makes sure she throws some positivity in there too. No question if your kid is sensitive then it may not be the right person for you. I should also mention that my younger kid is not ECNL level and is too young for that anyway. She started with her at U10. It’s not just the sensitive kids, a majority of both her 03 teams (ECNL and premier 1) told AFU they were gone if she returned. Add in most of the girls that played on the Comp team had no interest in playing for her either. She’s not a long term fit unless she learns to talk to people with a little more respect. We get it she didn’t have it easy like these girls growing up but that’s not a reason to be so negative so much. Hopefully her moving into personal training and small camps will work out. |
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Post by ecnlquestions on May 3, 2021 10:40:22 GMT -5
At some point you have to ask who these parents at AFU think they are. They seem to run off every coach and make unreasonable demands (we will leave if we get you as a coach again). At some point the club just need to say, "okay, leave." I've heard nothing but good things about coach Nadine and she seems to be coaching for the right reasons.
Where do these players think they are going to go exactly? Last time I looked there is only 5 ecnl teams in Georgia and AFU are often (not always) bottom of the pile. It's time to call these imbeciles out on their bluff and let the chips fall where they may.
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 3, 2021 10:49:46 GMT -5
Not arguing either side in this case, but I know some parents have related to me that their daughters were not appreciative of her approach to their daughters' weight and fitness level. IIRC there may have been some resultant eating disorders and depression issues. Well, that and the constant yelling. To each their own.
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Post by mightydawg on May 3, 2021 11:14:42 GMT -5
Not arguing either side in this case, but I know some parents have related to me that their daughters were not appreciative of her approach to their daughters' weight and fitness level. IIRC there may have been some resultant eating disorders and depression issues. Well, that and the constant yelling. To each their own. For teenage girls, talking about weight is off limits from a coach. Conditioning is fair game but not weight. Teenage girls have enough pressures on them about body image from society without a coach adding to the problem and defeating the reasons that many parents want their daughters involved in sports. |
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Post by atlantasoccerdad2020 on May 3, 2021 12:17:22 GMT -5
We are in a very fragile society these days. The truth can be a tough pill to swallow. Nadine is a hardass. She has turned some players into great players and made others quit the sport all together like some have said.
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Post by SoccerFirst on May 3, 2021 12:17:42 GMT -5
Not arguing either side in this case, but I know some parents have related to me that their daughters were not appreciative of her approach to their daughters' weight and fitness level. IIRC there may have been some resultant eating disorders and depression issues. Well, that and the constant yelling. To each their own. For teenage girls, talking about weight is off limits from a coach. Conditioning is fair game but not weight. Teenage girls have enough pressures on them about body image from society without a coach adding to the problem and defeating the reasons that many parents want their daughters involved in sports. This is a tough subject. I don’t have daughters (boy mom), so I won’t pretend to know what y’all go through with your players. From my experience as a former female player that suffered from anorexia athletica - once known as exercise induced anorexia - and a female coach, I have seen players where their fitness and body composition did impact the player’s ability to compete at the highest level. Whether it was not enough weight to compete and hold opponents off the ball or the player was carrying extra weight that limited her from playing her best for more than 20minutes. It’s up to parents and coaches to work as a team in helping the athlete to reach her goals, bc that’s who this is all about... the player/child. It’s never an easy conversation, and most coaches skirt around it by telling the player she is “out of shape”. Fitness can always be better, but if a coach says you are out of shape, there might be a little more work to be done. As parents, we are responsible for teaching our child to make good and healthy choices, but ultimately a teenage girl makes her own decisions on what she is eating. As a coach, I have asked a player for various reasons, what have you eaten today and you’d be shocked by some of the responses. 3pm before practice... “ugh... ugh... I guess I haven’t eaten anything” to “well I had a snickers, 2 airheads and some poptarts”. I will never and would never tell a player she is fat or even that she needs to lose weight, but I also won’t shy away from helping my player be the best she can be. The difference is tact, some have it and some don’t. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 3, 2021 12:28:23 GMT -5
We are in a very fragile society these days. The truth can be a tough pill to swallow. Nadine is a hardass. She has turned some players into great players and made others quit the sport all together like some have said. This is why I always look for the best coach for my kids. I care less about the club than the coach. Nadine has been great for private training my kids but I don't think either of them could take her intensity day in and day out. There are other coaches that are this way too. Many people have trouble with SP at UFA for being too hard and maybe not tactful. Velko can also be really hard from what I have heard (only done private training there, no team training). Every kid has a different reaction to different training methods. Try to know your kid and what works best for them. |
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Post by justhavefun on May 3, 2021 14:02:55 GMT -5
This is a funny post to read through. Kinda reminds me of he AFU post regarding Stephen George from a few weeks back. Once again AFU parents trying to “cancel” coaches.
Good & tough coaches being pushed out at AFU and they continue
to be a bottom level club. 🤔
For the original poster : Nadine is a very good trainer. Your child will become a better player if they train with her. You don’t need to have her over for dinner.
.....and If your child quits soccer because Nadine is too mean then you should thank Nadine as she probably saved you lots of money and time.
My daughter has been to many of Nadines sessions and there are plenty of top girls from around the state with representation from all clubs.
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Post by Keeperkeeper on May 3, 2021 15:28:00 GMT -5
This is a funny post to read through. Kinda reminds me of he AFU post regarding Stephen George from a few weeks back. Once again AFU parents trying to “cancel” coaches. Good & tough coaches being pushed out at AFU and they continue to be a bottom level club. 🤔 For the original poster : Nadine is a very good trainer. Your child will become a better player if they train with her. You don’t need to have her over for dinner. .....and If your child quits soccer because Nadine is too mean then you should thank Nadine as she probably saved you lots of money and time. My daughter has been to many of Nadines sessions and there are plenty of top girls from around the state with representation from all clubs. Agreed (on your whole statement)! We also have firsthand experience with Nadine. She has trained all of our kids, and they all have benefited from her training. She is extremely tough, and she doesn't mince words. But, she also encourages and praises when your child gets something right. She trains quite a few kids on the younger AU teams. She is working with JJ on a pre-tryout camp later this month. Feel free to DM for more information! |
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Post by dadofthree on May 3, 2021 17:12:45 GMT -5
My daughter went to Nadine for about a year she really did a good job of teaching footskills and fitness. The thing was my daughter always wanted to make sure that someone with less footskills was also doing it with her so Nadine would yell at them and not here...lol.
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Post by roki12 on May 3, 2021 17:42:27 GMT -5
My daughter went to Nadine for about a year she really did a good job of teaching footskills and fitness. The thing was my daughter always wanted to make sure that someone with less footskills was also doing it with her so Nadine would yell at them and not here...lol. Your daughter is clearly brilliant! |
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Post by realisemykiddoesntpl on May 3, 2021 17:59:42 GMT -5
Passionate! Love how she coaches
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Post by georgiatechalum on May 3, 2021 19:03:39 GMT -5
My daughter went to Nadine for about a year she really did a good job of teaching footskills and fitness. The thing was my daughter always wanted to make sure that someone with less footskills was also doing it with her so Nadine would yell at them and not here...lol. |
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Post by georgiatechalum on May 3, 2021 19:11:45 GMT -5
dadofthree: that’s funny .. and that’s the reason you take your
child to Coach N. ... she makes kids better cause they don’t want
to be at the bottom... that’s the whole point ...interesting how that works 🤔
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Post by oldtrafford on May 4, 2021 7:37:14 GMT -5
nk is an incredible trainer, coach, and a very good person. one of the few who actually does care about seeing each kid develop. she's not puppy dogs and ice cream all of the time, but no good coach is.
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Post by liverpoolfc on May 4, 2021 14:36:52 GMT -5
She is not coaching teams next year so the opening the wallet issue for playing time is not an issue. She does push players. I have had my younger daughter cry a few times after sessions (she is a sensitive kid though) but she still wants to go back and she loves Nadine. She does also say good things to the kids so it is not only bad. Most of the time she has the knack of knowing when she is pushing too hard and makes sure she throws some positivity in there too. No question if your kid is sensitive then it may not be the right person for you. I should also mention that my younger kid is not ECNL level and is too young for that anyway. She started with her at U10. It’s not just the sensitive kids, a majority of both her 03 teams (ECNL and premier 1) told AFU they were gone if she returned. Add in most of the girls that played on the Comp team had no interest in playing for her either. She’s not a long term fit unless she learns to talk to people with a little more respect. We get it she didn’t have it easy like these girls growing up but that’s not a reason to be so negative so much. Hopefully her moving into personal training and small camps will work out. This is just a wrong mentality lol...You think to play in the highest level or even college level is a pat on the shoulder and talk nice to me so i can play better...This is what is wrong with some American parents/soccer children. Y'all can't take a hard lesson, positive criticism, demands to be better. Too soft parents. Yes she is cameroun and she didnt have it easy like your children but i tell you this, she does have the best interest for your kids. If she can make it out through from Cameroun to America with size 5 soccer ball...imagine what she can do to help your kids to achieve if you are't too soft ... Just my two cents..I have heard of the same story from some teams around. TH? |
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Post by atlantasoccerdad2020 on May 4, 2021 15:34:16 GMT -5
It’s not just the sensitive kids, a majority of both her 03 teams (ECNL and premier 1) told AFU they were gone if she returned. Add in most of the girls that played on the Comp team had no interest in playing for her either. She’s not a long term fit unless she learns to talk to people with a little more respect. We get it she didn’t have it easy like these girls growing up but that’s not a reason to be so negative so much. Hopefully her moving into personal training and small camps will work out. This is just a wrong mentality lol...You think to play in the highest level or even college level is a pat on the shoulder and talk nice to me so i can play better...This is what is wrong with some American parents/soccer children. Y'all can't take a hard lesson, positive criticism, demands to be better. Too soft parents. Yes she is cameroun and she didnt have it easy like your children but i tell you this, she does have the best interest for your kids. If she can make it out through from Cameroun to America with size 5 soccer ball...imagine what she can do to help your kids to achieve if you are't too soft ... Just my two cents..I have heard of the same story from some teams around. TH? This has been brewing in America for a long time. Wussification of a nation. People don’t like to hear the truth especially when it’s harsh. There is always basketweaving for these softies. I am talking about the parents not the kids. They are the ones responsible for making kids soft. |
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Post by oldtrafford on May 4, 2021 15:46:53 GMT -5
it seems more of an AFU issue than an american youth sports issue. TH parents let TC emotionally destroy their kids and don't think twice about it. sickos. and you don't hear much about 'wussification' at other clubs. american parents meddle too much though and it often comes back to bite them in the butt (looking at you, cf platinum 07g parents!)
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Post by dadofthree on May 5, 2021 10:47:01 GMT -5
I think there is a fine line though that needs to be maintained. I take AW at UFA he will yell, bench, make u run more, and tell them exactly what they are defficent with etc. But he will also say he made a mistake, and talk and listen to the players. Opposing parents and some who dont like hearing the actual truth hate him for it, but to most girls they will run through a brick wall for him. I have said many times my daughter wouldnt be playing in college without his tough love. Its that old addage that you hope your coach has that he is respected rather than liked.
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 5, 2021 11:36:48 GMT -5
This "wussification" talk needs to stop.
(removed all mentions of sex abuse scandals) Honestly, the reason parents are so involved is because of everything that's come before us. Everything from the Junction Boys to Jeremy Wisten. The sports world is rife with stories of mental, emotional and physical abuse. Some kids will be toughened up by a micromanaging coach who assesses every part of their life and some will be left broken. I'd rather my kid be alive and healthy and happy than broken or dead, its better to not risk breaking the spirit and mind of a child...over a game. Once they are adults they can speak for themselves (but you even hear about abuse in the NFL that comes out years after the fact).
I know my kid might not be the one to say anything if she had an abusive coach (and my kid is a talker), but she has also determined she will never play for a local ECNL club for a couple reasons, not the least of which was seeing an 05G ECNL coach from that club cussing at and berating his players at halftime one day in Houston (these were 13-14 year old girls). No telling what sort of damage might have been done that day (I had heard that guy was let go...but no idea if true). It was interesting in this year's SCCL Cup there was an eventual championship game-losing goal given up by a player who was pulled and came to the bench crying and was lectured by the coach (which likely made things worse). No coach should ever say worse things to my kid than I would say myself (and I'm pretty critical). If it did happen, there would be consequences. The point is, there's a moderately fine line between effective, inspiring coaching and abuse. ANd we parents are the ONLY ONES watching that line. For those who are pro-abuse...maybe that changes the day its you who gets a phone call and it's not someone else's kid? Or perhaps you'll just say "my kid deserved it, he/she was a wussy" (and I'm not being hyperbolic). www.espn.com/olympics/story/_/id/22562745/us-gymnasts-say-sport-rife-verbal-emotional-abuseen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junction_Boyswww.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nfl-legend-bruce-smith-speaks-out-against-youth-coach-who-hit-player-recalls-his-own-abuse/ar-BB1bRxkc |
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Post by justhavefun on May 5, 2021 12:58:41 GMT -5
Wow- this is what’s wrong with this forum. Someone asked about a coach and then the usual 3-4 people pile on with their opinions which are just that “ their opinions” that are usually not backed up by the facts or even first hand experiences. So we have gone from a simple inquiry about a Coach to Sandusky and Girls Gymnastics. I don’t think anyone does not have complete disgust with those scenarios and I would hope we aren’t comparing a tough coach to sexual predators. If we are let’s change the subject title.
I wonder if this forum would not be more productive if it was not Anonymous?
(I’d bet many would be shocked to find out who people are are based on their posts)
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Post by oldtrafford on May 5, 2021 13:56:48 GMT -5
atlfutboldad certainly escalated things quickly!
not saying there aren't coaches (many) who need to dial it back a bit. and some (cough T cough C) who shouldn't be coaching young kids at all. but let's keep sandusky talk out of a thread about a coach who from what i understand does a ton of good charitable work and get kids she trains into college.
the people you link to are monsters. maybe you're justifying your own helicopter parenting, but that linkage in the context of this thread and to that individual is a step too far don't you think?
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 5, 2021 14:02:06 GMT -5
(I removed both references to those sex abuse situations...because that's apprently the only thing anyone read)
You can dismiss helicopter parenting all you want, but if you ask any parent in any abuse situation, I'll bet they will say they wish they had paid more attention.
None of my last post had anything to do with the coaches being discussed, rather to address the people bizatching about the state sports in the US ("wussification"). Take it as you will. I was merely presenting the large variety of abuse issues in the sports world (in the US), which is the reason why IMO this helicopter parenting started in the first place. The US gymnastics scandal is primarily a mental/emotional abuse scandal (see the link). Those parents put their children in the hands of coaches and an organization and sorely paid a price for it, which no amount of suing and jail time will actually address. Every coach in every sport should HAVE TO BE responsible to parents FIRST.
If people want to let coaches emotionally/mentally abuse their kids, they can deal with the after effects with their own children later. |
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Post by oldtrafford on May 5, 2021 14:12:50 GMT -5
think we all know that's not why helicopter parenting began in the first place. it began because parents won't let their kids fail or face adversity--they believe it's a poor reflection on them as parents. social media plays a role in that too (hey everyone look at my kid getting straight A's!). of course parents should be vigilant in watching out for people like who you mention, but crossing a line dropping it in this thread. let's all chill now and play some frisbee.  |
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