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Post by onekickpop on May 14, 2021 15:11:33 GMT -5
True story. Offered in January. Gave 3 days notice. Wanted my son to quit HS and be enrolled in virtual in a matter of 3 days. Left it to my son. He declined. They suck because they have known him since U12. He was brought in multiple times throughout the years. Then they decide to take him, but only on 3 days notice. Left the decision to my son and his final answer was no. Does that give you enough info to figure out who I am? ohhh! I’ll guess. Are you Liam Neeson? 😂 (Sorry. Friday humor and it started to sound like you were about to say that you possess a “certain set of skills”) |
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Post by ursu22 on May 14, 2021 15:14:06 GMT -5
That is the exact scenario here. He has tortured them every year we play them and then poof we want you now immediately. Turning his life upside was the reason that we let him decide. We told them to reach out in the summer and now they are mad and said they didn't want him now. It is ok, because my son said he wouldn't have accepted their offer again. I think he likes his club and his HS. guys this is the real standing of AU U 14 -9 PLACE 17 POINT U-15 --4--33 U16 --6 -23 U18,19---9--22 NOT PP POINTS WTF IS THAT |
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Post by ursu22 on May 14, 2021 15:21:21 GMT -5
So let me gets this straight, teams that beat Atl get to lose points they already won, while teams that lost to Atl have no consequences since they had no points anyway. This will skew results in a strange way. Why not just have the forfeit rules apply and Atl loses all remaining games 3-0 so all current results still apply. Joking? No, NASA 07s or whomever, you don’t get to keep your win over AU 08s while others just eliminate the loss to AU 07s. But look on the bright side NASA 05s would move from 3rd to 1st. It’s the same thing up and down the age groups. AU skewed the standings across them all. With the exception of their 05s, AU can not win playing up against mid to top table ECNL teams. They won’t be able to finish their league game schedules at this point and you can’t just have them say bye-bye and pick and choose which games to count. If their out, they should be all out. |
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Post by onekickpop on May 14, 2021 15:24:15 GMT -5
True story. Offered in January. Gave 3 days notice. Wanted my son to quit HS and be enrolled in virtual in a matter of 3 days. Left it to my son. He declined. They suck because they have known him since U12. He was brought in multiple times throughout the years. Then they decide to take him, but only on 3 days notice. Left the decision to my son and his final answer was no. Does that give you enough info to figure out who I am? You know, this could all be fixed with some education. I really believe the best time to join AU is U17 - U18/19. They’ve likely watched him develop all of these years and felt he was getting good development right where he was, especially if he was competitive in games against AU. At 17/18 and playing his best soccer, fully developed, healthy and athletic. They probably had a vision for him, but after years of playing with his current team and doing well, he’s probably shifted his desires elsewhere and lost the passion. Shame on AU. That commitment is a significant one for sure. You will see U12/13 rockstars eventually burn out, and in some cases you’ll see them toss older age kids aside who may eventually come to just not want to play soccer at all. Just because someone is a great club player it doesn’t mean they are prepared or will be successful in an MLS academy environment. I think the Academy should help to educate the local community more. Kudos to your son for taking ownership of that decision. I always wonder about the kids who do join half-heartedly because it’s the “logical” thing to do and either don’t find success or get spit right out of the system. While my responses may sound somewhat negative, I truly hope we someday see homegrowns in Atlanta from area clubs playing at the highest level. As a side comment, is anyone aware of how many local players have actually made it to the MLS (rostered on first teams)? |
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 14, 2021 15:39:38 GMT -5
True story. Offered in January. Gave 3 days notice. Wanted my son to quit HS and be enrolled in virtual in a matter of 3 days. Left it to my son. He declined. They suck because they have known him since U12. He was brought in multiple times throughout the years. Then they decide to take him, but only on 3 days notice. Left the decision to my son and his final answer was no. Does that give you enough info to figure out who I am? You know, this could all be fixed with some education. I really believe the best time to join AU is U17 - U18/19. They’ve likely watched him develop all of these years and felt he was getting good development right where he was, especially if he was competitive in games against AU. At 17/18 and playing his best soccer, fully developed, healthy and athletic. They probably had a vision for him, but after years of playing with his current team and doing well, he’s probably shifted his desires elsewhere and lost the passion. Shame on AU. That commitment is a significant one for sure. You will see U12/13 rockstars eventually burn out, and in some cases you’ll see them toss older age kids aside who may eventually come to just not want to play soccer at all. Just because someone is a great club player it doesn’t mean they are prepared or will be successful in an MLS academy environment. I think the Academy should help to educate the local community more. Kudos to your son for taking ownership of that decision. I always wonder about the kids who do join half-heartedly because it’s the “logical” thing to do and either don’t find success or get spit right out of the system. While my responses may sound somewhat negative, I truly hope we someday see homegrowns in Atlanta from area clubs playing at the highest level. As a side comment, is anyone aware of how many local players have actually made it to the MLS (rostered on first teams)? Concorde and UFA's run's from a few years ago was the example -- both were superior to AUs side, one won the southeast the other lost in PKs in the national championship -- during that run, all of a sudden AU was interested in those players, some of which had been released previously. And honestly these were kids whose level of play was always top notch, its not like they developed into those top tier players, these kids were ballers since u13/u14. Selfish asks, UFA would have a big game against a southeastern opponent the up and coming Saturday/sunday, and AU would request for 3-4 player to attend their sessions during the week vs attending their teams. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 14, 2021 15:49:49 GMT -5
This sounds like almost Tophat level hubris...almost.
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 16, 2021 18:31:50 GMT -5
Anyone have a copy of the email sent out about Altanta United games being dropped?
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Post by soccergator on May 17, 2021 8:53:18 GMT -5
It does suck though that my kids have most likely played their last "competitive' game ever against Atlanta United. My kids teams have always had some decent results against AU and always make for an enjoyable competitive game. We've won a few, tied a few, lost a few, blew them out once and got blown out once (that one got very ugly at u13).
I personally never was a fan of the rumors we heard early about biobanding players down in league games and randomly changing teams vs opponents. I think any league has to have integrity and standards of play, and honestly no league should allow 18 new players to play on a given day -- there always should be core group of players from the age appropriate roster.
If they wanted to play their teams up all season, they should have just done it.
It's going to be very interesting to watch the academy over the next few years. Am I correct that when Tony departs for South Carolina, there will be no original coaches remaining?
I'll take UFA's coaches all day -- Velko, Dan Dawson, Jason Smith and Robin Dixon. That's a mighty fine coaching list in my opinion.
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Post by mightydawg on May 17, 2021 9:36:22 GMT -5
Reading the ECNL rules, I do not see anything that Atlanta United did wrong. It seems like the problem is with the way that ECNL wrote the rules and AU took advantage of the rules. You can read for yourself to see if I missed anything: docs.google.com/document/d/1HHmt_Bk1MU-JXhvgW_XL78Hwquwd7rqaKYrUK1lL2lc/editMaximum roster of 30 players. ECNL registered players may participate in any age group of ECNL competition. Players that play for more than one team do not count against the roster maximum for other teams. |
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Post by Brinker on May 19, 2021 21:40:21 GMT -5
Can anyone confirm the rumor that AU played CF in an ECNL U14 game tonight? If that is true, that seems to conflict with original rumors that AU wasn’t going to complete the ECNL season and ECNL was going to vacate all AU games even though they had already played the majority of their season.
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Post by flamengo100 on May 19, 2021 21:48:20 GMT -5
Yes, AU 08 Boys played CF 07 Premier and lost 2-0
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Post by Brinker on May 19, 2021 21:54:27 GMT -5
Yes, AU 08 Boys played CF 07 Premier and lost 2-0 Do you know if AU plans to complete the ECNL season? If yes, then no need to vacate all their games. |
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Post by flamengo100 on May 19, 2021 21:56:47 GMT -5
I don't know. I just saw the score on Instagram stories on one of their players. I would be interested to see how the true Atl u-14 team does against GSA. looks like they are scheduled to play this weekend.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 19, 2021 22:15:59 GMT -5
Yes, AU 08 Boys played CF 07 Premier and lost 2-0 Do you know if AU plans to complete the ECNL season? If yes, then no need to vacate all their games. Don't know about completing the entire season, but I hear some of the make up games are on the schedule. For example, the 15s and 16s played their counterparts from UFA this past Saturday and on Sunday were supposed to play their NASA counterparts but oddly enough the NASA fixtures did not occur. I think the make-up schedule is internal to AU and the corresponding club being available to play the games only, especially for those looking to play high level games to stay in game mode for the playoffs... |
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on May 20, 2021 0:30:36 GMT -5
Our games spanning two clubs and 2 age groups were flat canceled. Brinker has a big dog in the fight as 07 NASA is out of the playoffs if games are wiped but in if they stand. And idiotically, AU does it again by playing their 08s against 07s! With the exception of the their 05s, I don’t think AU has won a single game playing up in any age group in ECNL competitions.
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on May 20, 2021 7:21:14 GMT -5
The small number of teams put on the bubble by the whole thing should all make the playoffs. Easy solution and everybody’s happy.
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Post by Brinker on May 20, 2021 7:25:05 GMT -5
Most teams have just one game left on the schedule against AU, while other teams have completed all 20 games. For example, instead of wiping out all 13 AU U14 games already played, just have AU forfeit any of the 7 remaining games they don’t wish to play (3-0 forfeit rules). AU rostered like 30 kids on their U14 team which apparently is within the rules and they brought different groups of those kids to different games. This is stupid and should not have been allowed by ECNL but they did allow it all season long and it fits within their rules.
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Post by bogan on May 20, 2021 7:33:19 GMT -5
AU = NOT worried about wins/losses (development).
Everyone Else = ONLY concerned about wins and losses.
Putting everyone in the same league without a clear message = “What could possibly go wrong?”
🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 20, 2021 7:56:38 GMT -5
AU = NOT worried about wins/losses (development). Everyone Else = ONLY concerned about wins and losses. Putting everyone in the same league without a clear message = “What could possibly go wrong?” 🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ you mean this: AU = NOT worried about wins/losses, unless of course they win |
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Post by Brinker on May 20, 2021 8:51:34 GMT -5
AU = NOT worried about wins/losses (development). Everyone Else = ONLY concerned about wins and losses. Putting everyone in the same league without a clear message = “What could possibly go wrong?” 🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ you mean this: AU = NOT worried about wins/losses, unless of course they win AU certainly cared about winning the Unite Cup. They brought some impressive players to those finals games, as they should, since they have access to the best players in the region. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 20, 2021 8:58:44 GMT -5
I know I'm over exaggerating, but it's almost more for the 2s. Team had a big win last night, and all of sudden wins matter....
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Post by Upper90 on May 20, 2021 10:52:57 GMT -5
Much like this forum doesn't care about AU when they DO win, but rather only cares about them when they lose.
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Post by rifle on May 20, 2021 11:36:46 GMT -5
Much like this forum doesn't care about AU when they DO win, but rather only cares about them when they lose. See? We’re clearly ready for promotion and relegation! 😉 |
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Post by soccergurl on May 20, 2021 12:56:52 GMT -5
|AU field development team - everybody whine|
|AU follow ECNL rules - GameOfThrow-ins whine|
|AU field best players - Brinker whine|
|AU only play MLS teams - everybody whine|
me thinks cheese only ting missing
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Post by bogan on May 20, 2021 12:58:37 GMT -5
|AU field development team - everybody whine| |AU follow ECNL rules - GameOfThrow-ins whine| |AU field best players - Brinker whine| |AU only play MLS teams - everybody whine| me thinks cheese only ting missing 🤣 they are the team everyone loves to hate. |
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on May 20, 2021 13:36:32 GMT -5
|AU field development team - everybody whine| |AU follow ECNL rules - GameOfThrow-ins whine| |AU field best players - Brinker whine| |AU only play MLS teams - everybody whine| me thinks cheese only ting missing Hahahahaha! Love it! |
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on May 20, 2021 13:40:27 GMT -5
Missed opportunity: every damn club should have pulled the same crap and played up a year against AU! I would have loved to have seen that reaction!
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 20, 2021 15:51:30 GMT -5
Missed opportunity: every damn club should have pulled the same crap and played up a year against AU! I would have loved to have seen that reaction! Especially when they got wind they would be facing the younger teams, they should have done this. |
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Post by mightydawg on May 20, 2021 15:56:19 GMT -5
Except that none of the clubs truly care which team they were playing. They want to win the game, improve in the standings and qualify for the playoffs. If that is against 3rd graders, it is fine. The points still count the same in the standings.
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Post by soccergurl on May 20, 2021 20:48:36 GMT -5
Missed opportunity: every damn club should have pulled the same crap and played up a year against AU! I would have loved to have seen that reaction! |me thinks you lose more games| |you no able to win against younger team| |how you win against same age or older team|
|no playoffs is result|
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