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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 20, 2021 13:09:52 GMT -5
I was asked this question and figured I'd punt it to the community as I've seen it done both ways and I'm not sure what the "correct" way is. The background is most of the tops teams in MLS-Next/ECNL/GAL are going to their post season in late June maybe even July. Regardless they occur after tryouts.
So you're on a team that makes it into the playoffs/post-season/showcase. You contributed to the team's success but you've decided to take your skills somewhere else. Do you still get to travel with what is now your old team into the post season? Is the answer no since you chose to leave, what if you were cut? What if you are no longer on the team cut/walk, are you still obligated to pay the fees required of all players and their families? What if you were added to the team for the next season during tryouts, can you go with your new team and claim a Nat'l Championship if you play? I'll sit back and listen in on what others who've gone to these myriad of scenarios think or have experience with...
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Post by mightydawg on May 20, 2021 13:16:03 GMT -5
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 20, 2021 13:18:04 GMT -5
Thanks for reminding this 'ol gal...
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Post by atldad1 on May 20, 2021 14:00:57 GMT -5
Heard / seen multiple scenarios already
1. Player told they weren’t making the cut next year and decided to not go to nationals. Still have to pay team/reg fees
2. Player told they weren’t making the cut and is still going to fulfill commitment
3. Player leaving for other club, still going to nationals to fulfill commitment to team and leave on good note
4. New player coming in and going to nationals with new team
I guess depends on the way the club, coach, parent & player handle the situation
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Post by justwatching on May 20, 2021 15:20:05 GMT -5
I think the expectation is the kids that got the team qualified for the event would/should be the kids playing regardless if you are leaving on your own or not being invited back. In reality that is not always the case hence why these events usually allow for a particular level of "guest players".
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Post by NotherSoccerParent on May 29, 2021 15:11:16 GMT -5
Still not sure if the question was ever fully answered in either forum. Here's the scenario. Kid plays for club A's 2020-2021 ECNL team. That team does not make it to Nationals. Accepted to Club B's ECNL team for the 2021-2022 season. Club B's 2020-2021 team made it to Nationals but some players from that team has been cut. If players who have been cut decide not to play (kind of awkward to practice all of June with your old team and some new teammates who won't be your teammates for the upcoming season), are the new incoming players allowed to play? Should only be allowed to play if they are filling in the roster IMO.
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 29, 2021 15:14:21 GMT -5
I’m under the impression anyone can play as long as they get added to the roster and there isn’t any roster continuity requirement.
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Post by mightydawg on May 29, 2021 17:44:56 GMT -5
There is some language about rosters being frozen as of May 1st in the ECNL rules. I don’t recall specifically what they say but are listed in rules. You can read and see what it says about new players after May 1.
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Post by soccerdad76 on May 30, 2021 11:57:59 GMT -5
I’ve asked a few coaches and they didn’t know. This has to happen every year, so unless the rules changed, it should be common knowledge what is allowed. What should happen is a different question.
My son’s team is facing this, and anyone leaving the team should be allowed (and encouraged) to play. If they need to make up numbers in the end, then (if allowed) add new players as needed.
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Post by mightydawg on May 30, 2021 12:05:44 GMT -5
I’ve asked a few coaches and they didn’t know. This has to happen every year, so unless the rules changed, it should be common knowledge what is allowed. What should happen is a different question. My son’s team is facing this, and anyone leaving the team should be allowed (and encouraged) to play. If they need to make up numbers in the end, then (if allowed) add new players as needed. Agreed. The way it should be is that the kids who qualified should be the ones playing. |
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Post by NotherSoccerParent on May 30, 2021 12:25:53 GMT -5
I’ve asked a few coaches and they didn’t know. This has to happen every year, so unless the rules changed, it should be common knowledge what is allowed. What should happen is a different question. My son’s team is facing this, and anyone leaving the team should be allowed (and encouraged) to play. If they need to make up numbers in the end, then (if allowed) add new players as needed. Agree as well. The way it is set up is ridiculous. Teams going to Nationals are going to be training in June. Should you include incoming players to get a head start on developing chemistry? I think that's great. At the same time, does it disrupt the team chemistry for the qualifying team? No way around it to some degree. It makes sense to allowing incoming players to play, but to be fair, ONLY to fill in for kids who don't want to or can't play. A team shouldn't be penalized if they for example cut 4 players and can only bring 14 players to Nationals as that would put them at a disadvantage as well. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 30, 2021 17:42:53 GMT -5
All very good thought out points. Let me add, so if you team makes nationals, but you get cut, but you're allowed to still train and play. What are the expectations of you actually getting playing time? I mean the coach just cut you, plus I don't know if you want to spend thousands of $$$ just to pull pine needles out your derriere. Flip side of the coin, you get cut and you've already paid team fees prior to tryout. Are you entitled to a refund? A piggy-back question is also, if you just got recruited or added to a team and you're asked to play with your new team who made it to nationals, are you required to pay your share of the team fees that have already been paid?
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Post by soccerdad76 on May 30, 2021 17:56:30 GMT -5
for our team, fees have not been paid to support nationals, so no refund needed. The balance at the end of the year went to a coach’s gift. And I’d agree the $1M (or cost of travel) question is is it worth it? Weird, possibly reduced playing time, just want to move on. It’s an unenviable position and it’s too bad it’s setup this way.
I would expect any new additions to pay their share, otherwise you could have 12-15 “originals” paying instead of the full roster of 16-18 that go (just making up numbers of course).
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on May 30, 2021 18:33:00 GMT -5
All very good thought out points. Let me add, so if you team makes nationals, but you get cut, but you're allowed to still train and play. What are the expectations of you actually getting playing time? I mean the coach just cut you, plus I don't know if you want to spend thousands of $$$ just to pull pine needles out your derriere. Flip side of the coin, you get cut and you've already paid team fees prior to tryout. Are you entitled to a refund? A piggy-back question is also, if you just got recruited or added to a team and you're asked to play with your new team who made it to nationals, are you required to pay your share of the team fees that have already been paid? If handing team off to new coach, player could be cut by new coach based on incoming personnel at tryouts and no hard feelings against previous coach and team heading to nationals. Well, maybe no exceptionally hard feelings. My experience has been that months prior to tryouts Coach has the hard meeting with team & parents laying out the possible scenarios and getting post tryout commitments from everyone going into it with open eyes with the goal that the entire team stays together for the playoff push regardless of how team selections go for the following year. After that meeting some players/parents have private discussions with coach at which time they make their own specific decisions. Maybe 1 or 2 end up leaving before playoff training, but it’s out in the open. The problem occurs when a player (or parents) split after they said they’re committed. |
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