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Post by baller84 on Sept 2, 2021 2:01:47 GMT -5
Not so sure about that. There was a time we had only one league, Georgia Soccer. The people running it were voted in by all the clubs. Like all associations it belonged to everyone and noone. Different problems then at different times. The schedules however were not an issue, available long before this time and didn't change either unless both teams or coaches agreed or was a rainout. When was that? 1960? I played through the 80s and 90s and you always had multiple leagues, if not Ga Soccer you’ve got AYSO, church leagues, Hispanic leagues, county & city leagues. GaSoccer became a major player but they failed at what they did and thus why nearly every major club has left it. Not saying SCCL is much better but you trade one group of headaches for another. Headaches well deserved. |
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Post by nole95 on Sept 2, 2021 8:10:29 GMT -5
Our team moved from P1 to club and we were given all away games. Yep no home games, 10 away games. You can imagine the complaints. That's crazy. On the flip side, our SCCL Club team has 7 home games and 2 away games. I have never seen that before. Every year we have played, it has been an even split between home and away games. As of the updated schedule from yesterday, we also have a game against an Atlanta team in December. I don't recall ever playing regular season games that late before unless there was a makeup game due to weather. |
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Post by mccarthy78 on Sept 2, 2021 8:56:48 GMT -5
I've never seen this before. The team my child plays for has been bracketed a division down from what they were promised when they committed. While that happens pretty frequently, and things get worked out and players move around, the season starts in NINE DAYS, and no one has told the team or the players yet.
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Post by flamengo100 on Sept 2, 2021 9:28:56 GMT -5
Meanwhile some boys teams in the South Atlantic NPL League have already played 5 games.
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Post by mightydawg on Sept 2, 2021 10:51:43 GMT -5
Meanwhile some boys teams in the South Atlantic NPL League have already played 5 games. Is there a South Atlantic NPL girls' league this year? |
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Post by soccernotfootball on Sept 2, 2021 10:57:02 GMT -5
Meanwhile some boys teams in the South Atlantic NPL League have already played 5 games. Is there a South Atlantic NPL girls' league this year?
Just poked around the new site and schedule... there does not seem to be a schedule for South Atlantic Girls. I guess all those clubs dropped NPL for other leagues. ___ Supposedly... yes. 2021-22 boys clubs:
AFC Lightning (GA) Barça Academy Charlotte (NC) Charleston SC (SC) Charlotte Soccer Academy (NC) Hoover Vestavia (AL) SC Surf (SC) SSA (GA) Tormenta FC (GA) Triangle United (NC) UFA (GA) Wake FC (NC) Wake FC North (NC) 2021-22 girls clubs:
Triangle United (NC) Wake FC North (NC) SC Surf (SC) AFC Lightning (GA) SSA (GA) UFA (GA) Hoover Vestavia (AL) |
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Post by Keeper on Sept 2, 2021 11:21:10 GMT -5
I've never seen this before. The team my child plays for has been bracketed a division down from what they were promised when they committed. While that happens pretty frequently, and things get worked out and players move around, the season starts in NINE DAYS, and no one has told the team or the players yet. That only hurts the players when the coaches and club directors can’t even be honest with players. For the most part I’ve heard that SCCL placed teams where they declared so sounds like the higher ups did not want you all in the higher bracket for whatever reason. Is the club new to SCCL? Guessing this team was not around last year. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 2, 2021 11:35:21 GMT -5
2021-22 girls clubs:
Triangle United (NC) - ? Wake FC North (NC) - DPL? SC Surf (SC) - GA AFC Lightning (GA) - GA SSA (GA) - GA UFA (GA) - ECNL-R Hoover Vestavia (AL) - DPL |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Sept 2, 2021 11:52:14 GMT -5
2021-22 girls clubs:
Triangle United (NC) - ? Wake FC North (NC) - DPL? SC Surf (SC) - GA AFC Lightning (GA) - GA SSA (GA) - GA UFA (GA) - ECNL-R Hoover Vestavia (AL) - DPL I believe Triangle United went DPL too. Honestly SAPL/NPL should have been an adjunct league like it was years ago. They just kept adding and losing clubs left and right. It was an inconsistent mess |
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Post by nole95 on Sept 2, 2021 11:56:52 GMT -5
This is all starting to seem a little bush league to me.
Schedules released and then changed two days later.
Teams getting moved down a level from what they were promised and never told about it.
Nine days away from the first games and no times or field locations set for at least the first weekend.
In my mind, these schedules should have been in club hands weeks ago. Let the clubs then work together on finalizing schedules based on field availability, coach conflicts, etc., and the release to the players/parents. The fact that schedules were changed two days after we received them makes me think no advance planning was done at all.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Sept 2, 2021 12:12:19 GMT -5
This is all starting to seem a little bush league to me. Schedules released and then changed two days later. Teams getting moved down a level from what they were promised and never told about it. Nine days away from the first games and no times or field locations set for at least the first weekend. In my mind, these schedules should have been in club hands weeks ago. Let the clubs then work together on finalizing schedules based on field availability, coach conflicts, etc., and the release to the players/parents. The fact that schedules were changed two days after we received them makes me think no advance planning was done at all. I think advanced planning as far as SCCL goes was done, but they waited too long to release the schedule and divisions to the clubs. Then once the clubs saw them, there were errors with placement of teams and the directors requested teams to move up or down based on the mistake. It got changed just a few days after release, so it seems that these changes were just errors on SCCL admin part and got fixed. As far as the person who said their team got put in a lower division than they were told at tryouts.... well that is between you, the coach, the director, and the club. I know for a fact the clubs put in for what they think their team is qualified to play in, and with very little exceptions SCCL puts them in the division requested. So I assume the club requested the division that parent's child is in and lied to the parents or reevaluated the team once training and tournaments started and realized the team would be better suited in a lower division. |
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Post by coffee on Sept 2, 2021 12:55:10 GMT -5
…So I assume the club requested the division that parent's child is in and lied to the parents or reevaluated the team once training and tournaments started and realized the team would be better suited in a lower division. There also could’ve been some wishful thinking on the part of the coach and the parents. If you hear some possibly very exciting news, to some people they remember it as a promise. I obviously can’t say what happened in any person’s specific circumstance, but I will repeat this, Caveat emptor. During tryouts in years passed when talking to coaches about what Athena or SCCL level he is/will be coaching I’ve been told things like: - ‘I’ve requested that we’re placed in…’
- ‘we expect to be in…’
- ‘I’m told that we’ll probably be…’
- ‘we’re pretty sure that this year we’ll be…’ or
- ‘it looks like we’ll be placed in…’
I’m sure that there are some coaches that are not careful about the language they use when talking to players and parents — essentially selling hopes and intentions as actual facts. Also, a few coaches may be doing so intentionally. Yet, IMO the majority of coaches are honest and walking a fine line and let people believe what they will. Especially when talking to key, possibly game-changing players. Also understand that the same thing happens between the directors and the coaches; and between the league and the clubs. Each may believe the information that they’re passing along. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Sept 2, 2021 14:00:21 GMT -5
It would not surprise me that a reason for the late schedules is due to higher level leagues also not have schedules in until later. You can't set up games if you don't know when the fields will be available or coaches will be available. Then there is a trickle down effect.
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Post by mccarthy78 on Sept 2, 2021 14:14:28 GMT -5
I've never seen this before. The team my child plays for has been bracketed a division down from what they were promised when they committed. While that happens pretty frequently, and things get worked out and players move around, the season starts in NINE DAYS, and no one has told the team or the players yet. That only hurts the players when the coaches and club directors can’t even be honest with players. For the most part I’ve heard that SCCL placed teams where they declared so sounds like the higher ups did not want you all in the higher bracket for whatever reason. Is the club new to SCCL? Guessing this team was not around last year. Very reputable club. Has been a part of SCCL since the beginning. Reputable coach as well. Very puzzled and upset by this. Like i said, I've never seen this done so late in the game. |
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Post by bogan on Sept 2, 2021 14:34:09 GMT -5
That only hurts the players when the coaches and club directors can’t even be honest with players. For the most part I’ve heard that SCCL placed teams where they declared so sounds like the higher ups did not want you all in the higher bracket for whatever reason. Is the club new to SCCL? Guessing this team was not around last year. Very reputable club. Has been a part of SCCL since the beginning. Reputable coach as well. Very puzzled and upset by this. Like i said, I've never seen this done so late in the game. Did your team lose players? It is strange they’d just lower your level. It won’t be much fun for anyone if teams are mismatched. |
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Post by greenmonkey on Sept 2, 2021 15:25:07 GMT -5
I believe Triangle United went DPL too. Honestly SAPL/NPL should have been an adjunct league like it was years ago. They just kept adding and losing clubs left and right. It was an inconsistent mess Frankly SCCL Club should be an adjunct league by that definition “adding and losing club level teams left and right and an inconsistent mess” Absolutely DISAPPOINTED in every single club who is treating SCCL Club level like repository for teams that “we have no other high level league to place you in at our club” And another thing let’s space these games out just inconveniently enough on dates so that teams have no other tournament options available to fill in and supplemental games oh and friendlies? Sure how everyone else at the appropriate competition level has FULL SCHEDULES and SHOWCASES they don’t have time or inclination to schedule friendlies And y’all who know me know ME and know I drank ALL the SCCL Koolaid |
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Post by soccerspin on Sept 2, 2021 15:40:52 GMT -5
I think it was mentioned in a different thread as well, but anyone know why SCCL plays every team one time and then only one of those teams twice? (At least for u16B) And how would that work exactly in terms of a division winner at the end of the season given not all teams are equally strong? Would one of those games not count in the standings?
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Post by bogan on Sept 2, 2021 16:05:24 GMT -5
I believe Triangle United went DPL too. Honestly SAPL/NPL should have been an adjunct league like it was years ago. They just kept adding and losing clubs left and right. It was an inconsistent mess Frankly SCCL Club should be an adjunct league by that definition “adding and losing club level teams left and right and an inconsistent mess” Absolutely DISAPPOINTED in every single club who is treating SCCL Club level like repository for teams that “we have no other high level league to place you in at our club” And another thing let’s space these games out just inconveniently enough on dates so that teams have no other tournament options available to fill in and supplemental games oh and friendlies? Sure how everyone else at the appropriate competition level has FULL SCHEDULES and SHOWCASES they don’t have time or inclination to schedule friendlies And y’all who know me know ME and know I drank ALL the SCCL Koolaid Admission is the first step to recovery… 😬😉 |
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Post by nole95 on Sept 2, 2021 19:43:35 GMT -5
I think it was mentioned in a different thread as well, but anyone know why SCCL plays every team one time and then only one of those teams twice? (At least for u16B) And how would that work exactly in terms of a division winner at the end of the season given not all teams are equally strong? Would one of those games not count in the standings? Same thing going on at 03/04G SCCL Club. Makes no sense. |
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Post by soccerdad23 on Sept 2, 2021 21:02:34 GMT -5
I believe Triangle United went DPL too. Honestly SAPL/NPL should have been an adjunct league like it was years ago. They just kept adding and losing clubs left and right. It was an inconsistent mess Frankly SCCL Club should be an adjunct league by that definition “adding and losing club level teams left and right and an inconsistent mess” Absolutely DISAPPOINTED in every single club who is treating SCCL Club level like repository for teams that “we have no other high level league to place you in at our club” And another thing let’s space these games out just inconveniently enough on dates so that teams have no other tournament options available to fill in and supplemental games oh and friendlies? Sure how everyone else at the appropriate competition level has FULL SCHEDULES and SHOWCASES they don’t have time or inclination to schedule friendlies And y’all who know me know ME and know I drank ALL the SCCL Koolaid This is one the most on point posts out there.. The Rush, Ambush, Roswell(Boys) that fall into the SCCL Club couldn't have been more played with the SCCL story. The leaders of those clubs should absolutely ashamed as to what they are offering as a product. Those DOC should be on the chopping block ASAP. Those DOC lack foresight to improve their clubs situation except through dumb luck. |
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Post by nole95 on Sept 3, 2021 13:13:12 GMT -5
Eight days out and our schedule continues to change.
Finally got times added in for next week, but a game has now been added for Sunday, that was just moved off from that Sunday two days ago.
They also moved a game from December to back in November and at the moment have saddled us with a weekend where the girls play one game on Satuday and two on Sunday. This despite the fact that there are five weekends where they play no games at all. I mean, could they not look and see that their was plenty of open dates to put a game without doubling up on the same day?
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Post by ga3v3 on Sept 3, 2021 13:36:48 GMT -5
Now that the Sccl club teams are the 3rd and 4th teams of the clubs that run it - they couldn’t give two s@$t’s. They have completely destroyed the youth soccer environment in Ga, ruined ODP, drove some of the best people involved into retirement(Jacob Daniels), and cornered the market from any other non big 5 club having access to competitive leagues.
It should have been obvious to more folks from the beginning but I guess that’s the way it goes when people can’t read the writing on the walls. And to think that they said the Sccl was formed as a competitive league to replace RPL- laughable.
Youth soccer in Ga has been on the decline for the last 5 years. This forum has turned into one big bizatch session and no one has the balls to do anything about it. People- You reap what you sow. Now enjoy the fruits of your labor - you’ve earned it
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Post by thip3636 on Sept 3, 2021 18:04:26 GMT -5
I have a high level U19 (04/03) team. We left usys ga soccer two years ago for better local competition in SCCL. . Both my teams in P1 boys kicked the crap out of all our teams. Goal diff of U19 was I think 36. Anyways my team last year was 03’a but played U19 bc no U18 division. Again very little completion. Also had a lot of success in National Showcase tournaments such as Raleigh etc. Same tram returns this season and we request club. They deny request with no explanation or reply back . Played club teams in Nike cup winning 6-2. Anyways we pulled them from SCCL and doing tournaments, college games and friendlies. Brutal.
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Post by ball2futbol on Sept 3, 2021 22:40:13 GMT -5
If things don’t get better on the admin side, I can see future tourneys being privatized or run all together by recruitment agencies. who needs a regular season when the goal is exposure.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 4, 2021 13:09:21 GMT -5
There's a lot of truth to this. Especially for a U17+ team. Join whatever league you want for some "practice games" and then do travel tourneys and showcases.
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Post by atlsoccerdad on Sept 4, 2021 15:46:03 GMT -5
No real communication, no schedules published going into September other than private links, then we find schedules with like 9 games, more and more shiny leagues, diluted competitions, lack of parity, "travel" soccer as some chose to call it, and no responses to questions except some nice folks here in the forum. Top to bottom, is this really progress compared to the leagues and competitive environment we had five years ago? Horrible. Horrible. Only playing (PAYING) 8 games, and not playing each team home and away?? I get that scheduling is tough, especially with team movement, but the lack of communication is adding insult to injury. Wasn't the problem with schedules coming out so late one of the reasons cited for the break from GA Soccer in the first place? It looks like SCCL is going downhill fast... I would be surprised if parents didn't explore other options next year en masse. |
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Post by dad on Sept 8, 2021 3:00:49 GMT -5
Time to scrap it and go back to Georgia Soccer where teams are promoted and relegated and promoted due to ability? Travel to Savanah Augusta for some but most games local.
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Post by bolo on Sept 8, 2021 9:13:51 GMT -5
Time to scrap it and go back to Georgia Soccer where teams are promoted and relegated and promoted due to ability? Travel to Savanah Augusta for some but most games local. My son's team supposedly earned promotion to a higher Premier level this fall based on their top-2 finish in their division last fall. But this fall they were placed in the same division as last fall and told it was because too many new clubs came into SCCL from Georgia Soccer. His team has 10 games this fall whereas as the division below him has 12 and one of the divisions above him has 13. Such an arbitrary mess. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Sept 8, 2021 9:20:09 GMT -5
Time to scrap it and go back to Georgia Soccer where teams are promoted and relegated and promoted due to ability? Travel to Savanah Augusta for some but most games local. My son's team supposedly earned promotion to a higher Premier level this fall based on their top-2 finish in their division last fall. But this fall they were placed in the same division as last fall and told it was because too many new clubs came into SCCL from Georgia Soccer. His team has 10 games this fall whereas as the division below him has 12 and one of the divisions above him has 13. Such an arbitrary mess. Well the number of games in Georgia soccer was not even either so that is not a reason to go back to it. Some divisions had 7 teams and some had 14. The pro/rel issues were also contingent in Georgia Soccer. Adding or losing players from your team or others changed placement there too. However it seems to be a bit of a mess this year in SCCL. I think the first year when it was only club level was run well but the more levels they added the worse the organization got. I don't have any kids that played SCCL ever including now, but I do have a younger kid that is getting to that age so I hope they fix it. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 8, 2021 10:30:37 GMT -5
Glad we got in and out when we did. Their goal should be to be the anti-Georgia Soccer; better organized (early brackets/schedules), higher standards (birth certificates), etc. But it seems like they're in over their heads just like GA Soccer. IMO pro-rel rules should be WRITTEN IN STONE, no politicking allowed.
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