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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 14, 2021 16:57:16 GMT -5
Georgia has a total of 22,577 staffed beds in hospitals As of July 26, 1390 Covid patients were hospitalized with another 299 considered under investigation. Grady’s 7 day average of Covid patients is 56. Out of a possible 458 hospital beds. These are numbers published and easily found. Don’t let facts get in the way of a good story though. (As an aside, Grady in 2019 had several hundred more beds available but due to a water pipe burst they lost these and have not replaced them due to budget issues.) A typical hospital runs between 81-84% capacity at all times. Hospitals are for profit. If they have 50% of their beds free they will not be in business very long. You are citing alleged data with no sources from July 26th. Here is an article from today: www.fox5atlanta.com/news/grady-hospital-reaches-full-capacity-as-delta-variant-surgesAnd Vanderbilt is full as well. Limiting elective cases and not taking transfers in (called going on diversion). Plus not all hospitals are for profit. |
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Post by 3clubsoccermom on Aug 14, 2021 16:59:10 GMT -5
Exactly. Funny how no one is mentioning that hospitals across the country and here in Atlanta (i.e., Grady) are at capacity. They are full of unvaccinated patients, not vaccinated ones. So if little Susie breaks her leg during a game or God forbid a family have a car accident or other medical emergency like a heart attack or stroke there isn’t going to be any beds left and that is squarely and solely on the shoulders of the unvaccinated. I am not talking about those who have medical conditions preventing them from getting vaccinated but those who let partisan tribalism stand between them and getting a vaccine. I just cannot understand. Like the perfectly fit 49 year old I know who just left his three kids fatherless because of ignorance. Or the lawyer I know in the ICU fighting for his life who has four children. Little Suzie and her parents made the personal choice to play in that soccer game, family members make the choice to drive or ride in a car, dumb masses make the choice to eat crap food and not exercise as well but when someone chooses to not put an experimental concoction into their own personal bodies you say that’s a problem. Hospitals can build new buildings and hire more staff as well and if COVID sticks around like it looks like it will I’d guess that’s what will be happening Susie breaking her leg or Susie’s family having a car accident or Susie’s dad having a heart attack or stroke does not have the potential of killing innocent children too young to be vaccinated or immunocompromised cancer patients. That is the difference. There are private health decisions and ones that effect the public health but carry on with your inept analogies. |
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Post by hotspur1 on Aug 14, 2021 17:00:13 GMT -5
Georgia has a total of 22,577 staffed beds in hospitals As of July 26, 1390 Covid patients were hospitalized with another 299 considered under investigation. Grady’s 7 day average of Covid patients is 56. Out of a possible 458 hospital beds. These are numbers published and easily found. Don’t let facts get in the way of a good story though. (As an aside, Grady in 2019 had several hundred more beds available but due to a water pipe burst they lost these and have not replaced them due to budget issues.) A typical hospital runs between 81-84% capacity at all times. Hospitals are for profit. If they have 50% of their beds free they will not be in business very long. You are citing alleged data with no sources from July 26th. Here is an article from today: www.fox5atlanta.com/news/grady-hospital-reaches-full-capacity-as-delta-variant-surgesAnd this is the info I hate because the media only reports certain things. For example a 400% increase sounds terrible, unless the starting point is 1 case. Bear with me while I try to figure out how to include a chart. But I will post a link that show real numbers - not just a click-bait story that hospitals are full due to covid. www.google.com/amp/s/www.fox5atlanta.com/news/at-atlantas-grady-hospital-the-number-of-covid-19-patients-is-rising-again.ampThis news story shows the number of Covid patients in late July at Grady was 32. Less than 10% of beds. (Also remember Grady is a trauma center - they are always full) According to the dph website there is a seven day rolling average of 3600 Covid patients across all Georgia hospitals. Just over 10% of beds. I’ll link the Grady chart once I figure out how to sync it with this message board … |
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Post by 3clubsoccermom on Aug 14, 2021 17:05:53 GMT -5
And this is the info I hate because the media only reports certain things. For example a 400% increase sounds terrible, unless the starting point is 1 case. Bear with me while I try to figure out how to include a chart. But I will post a link that show real numbers - not just a click-bait story that hospitals are full due to covid. www.google.com/amp/s/www.fox5atlanta.com/news/at-atlantas-grady-hospital-the-number-of-covid-19-patients-is-rising-again.ampThis news story shows the number of Covid patients in late July at Grady was 32. Less than 10% of beds. (Also remember Grady is a trauma center - they are always full) According to the dph website there is a seven day rolling average of 3600 Covid patients across all Georgia hospitals. Just over 10% of beds. I’ll link the Grady chart once I figure out how to sync it with this message board … Right. And all the media reporting that hospitals across the country are full from Dallas County to Arizona to the Louisiana Children’s Hospital must be lying. Sure. I am not engaging further. Go enjoy your Alex Jones. Be well and be best. |
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Post by hotspur1 on Aug 14, 2021 17:08:50 GMT -5
And this is the info I hate because the media only reports certain things. For example a 400% increase sounds terrible, unless the starting point is 1 case. Bear with me while I try to figure out how to include a chart. But I will post a link that show real numbers - not just a click-bait story that hospitals are full due to covid. www.google.com/amp/s/www.fox5atlanta.com/news/at-atlantas-grady-hospital-the-number-of-covid-19-patients-is-rising-again.ampThis news story shows the number of Covid patients in late July at Grady was 32. Less than 10% of beds. (Also remember Grady is a trauma center - they are always full) According to the dph website there is a seven day rolling average of 3600 Covid patients across all Georgia hospitals. Just over 10% of beds. I’ll link the Grady chart once I figure out how to sync it with this message board … Right. And all the media reporting that hospitals across the country are full from Dallas County to Arizona to the Louisiana Children’s Hospital must be lying. Sure. I am not engaging further. Go enjoy your Alex Jones. Be well and be best. Here’s the data link. Again hospitals are full. But not full of Covid patients however it is a contributing factor. The average is 56 at Grady. Here are their numbers, self reported. But I appreciate the snarky insult. Edit to add, if you scroll down you can see the bed occupancy percentage of all surrounding hospitals. It’s a lot different than what’s being reported in the news. |
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Post by rudy on Aug 14, 2021 17:38:04 GMT -5
Wife hada minor procedure done yesterday that due to Covid had been postponed 3 times previously. Her doctor told her he was happy she finally had it done yesterday as he said the Delta variant is much worse. He felt a total shutdown is likely again. Btw I typically side on the conservative side but this what was said. I hope this is not what happens.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 14, 2021 17:43:56 GMT -5
Right. And all the media reporting that hospitals across the country are full from Dallas County to Arizona to the Louisiana Children’s Hospital must be lying. Sure. I am not engaging further. Go enjoy your Alex Jones. Be well and be best. Here’s the data link. Again hospitals are full. But not full of Covid patients however it is a contributing factor. The average is 56 at Grady. Here are their numbers, self reported. But I appreciate the snarky insult. Edit to add, if you scroll down you can see the bed occupancy percentage of all surrounding hospitals. It’s a lot different than what’s being reported in the news. Based on your link it has an increase from 30 admissions a month ago to 130 this month. Over 10% of beds due to Covid. Personally I don't think the media is implying that the entire hospital is filled only with Covid infected patients. As a person in the medical field (and I am cautiously bringing up the flu here) but every winter until this last one we had a shortage of beds due to the flu admissions. Sometimes it was just a little tight where they would have to put medical patients on the surgical floors for a day or so until they had a free medical bed. Other times there were patients spending 2 to 4 days in overflow units or in the ER awaiting beds. As was mentioned many hospitals run around 85% capacity, so 10-15% of one type of patient fills the hospital. Just filling the hospital is not as big of a deal as the filling of ICU beds. That is where Covid is hitting the hospitals hard. As for the statement that they can just hire more staff it is not that easy. There is a nation wide shortage of nurses. It takes years to build more space in hospitals too. We have been too slow to get the temporary rooms up most of the time. Both of you are correct technically. You are just discussing the statistics in a way to try to bring people to your point of view. |
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Post by hotspur1 on Aug 14, 2021 17:58:17 GMT -5
data.rgj.com/covid-19-hospital-capacity/facility/grady-memorial-hospital/110079/Here’s the data link. Again hospitals are full. But not full of Covid patients however it is a contributing factor. The average is 56 at Grady. Here are their numbers, self reported. But I appreciate the snarky insult. Edit to add, if you scroll down you can see the bed occupancy percentage of all surrounding hospitals. It’s a lot different than what’s being reported in the news. Based on your link it has an increase from 30 admissions a month ago to 130 this month. Over 10% of beds due to Covid. Personally I don't think the media is implying that the entire hospital is filled only with Covid infected patients. As a person in the medical field (and I am cautiously bringing up the flu here) but every winter until this last one we had a shortage of beds due to the flu admissions. Sometimes it was just a little tight where they would have to put medical patients on the surgical floors for a day or so until they had a free medical bed. Other times there were patients spending 2 to 4 days in overflow units or in the ER awaiting beds. As was mentioned many hospitals run around 85% capacity, so 10-15% of one type of patient fills the hospital. Just filling the hospital is not as big of a deal as the filling of ICU beds. That is where Covid is hitting the hospitals hard. As for the statement that they can just hire more staff it is not that easy. There is a nation wide shortage of nurses. It takes years to build more space in hospitals too. We have been too slow to get the temporary rooms up most of the time. Both of you are correct technically. You are just discussing the statistics in a way to try to bring people to your point of view. Thanks and very well stated. I’m not anti-vaccine in the least nor am I minimizing the pandemic at all. (Though the flu eradication of 2020 is a great subject for researchers a lot smarter than me). I’m just over the political nature of this conversation, the misleading data on both sides. It’s not a cut and dry scenario that many make it out to be. And I fully believe in trust but verify. I do think most people should probably be vaccinated. I also think the protocols and testing procedures are a failure at the current moment. Without standardization of both IMO this crap is going to drag out. |
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Post by rifle on Aug 14, 2021 18:05:07 GMT -5
100% of hospital beds are not suitable for infectious disease patients. There are levels. Northside for example is at capacity in their dedicated covid unit.
Regardless of how you parse the facts to skew the story, it isn’t good.
Edited: I misspoke about specific room types. I misunderstood what I heard.
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Post by bogan on Aug 14, 2021 18:19:37 GMT -5
100% of hospital beds are not suitable for infectious disease patients. There are levels. Northside for example is at capacity in their dedicated covid unit. Regardless of how you parse the facts to skew the story, it isn’t good. Edited: I misspoke about specific room types. I misunderstood what I heard. All I know for certain is that my local hospital had to turn away patients b/c there either wasn’t enough room or wasn’t enough staff to take care of them. So, I hope that this spike ends soon. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 14, 2021 18:49:57 GMT -5
100% of hospital beds are not suitable for infectious disease patients. There are levels. Northside for example is at capacity in their dedicated covid unit. Regardless of how you parse the facts to skew the story, it isn’t good. Edited: I misspoke about specific room types. I misunderstood what I heard. All I know for certain is that my local hospital had to turn away patients b/c there either wasn’t enough room or wasn’t enough staff to take care of them. So, I hope that this spike ends soon. Agreed here. It is not good It is not an apocalypse. We did a bad job of getting people to believe in masks and vaccinations and what the PURPOSE of those things are. We did a bad job of making people understand that science takes some time to analyze and that ALL RECOMMENDATIONS made by government and/or CDC were based on the information present at that time and WOULD CHANGE as new information came in. Hopefully this surge will fade quickly. |
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Post by jimm0811 on Aug 14, 2021 20:05:23 GMT -5
“We” did huh ?
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 14, 2021 20:38:16 GMT -5
Trying not to point fingers and stirring the pot. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Aug 16, 2021 13:42:18 GMT -5
Part of the reason that SSA can't find refs is that there pay scale sucks, especially when compared to SCCL pay rates. Here is the pay scale: SSA Tournament Pay Rates: Age Center AR 7v7 25 13 9v9 30 15 11v11 (13/14U) 35 20 11v11 (15/16U) 45 25 11v11 (17/19U) 50 35 SCCL U12: $60/$35/$35 U13-16: $65/$40/$40 U17-19: $75/$50/$50 Now in defense of SSA, Concorde's Nike Cup was only $5 per referee higher than SSA's. Tournament pay rates are always generally lower than regular season, as tournaments have reduced game times, etc.... That being said, they need to be matching at least what the other big clubs pay for their tournaments. I was at Lovejoy with my son's team. I am a certified referee, so is my son, so is 2 other kids and 2 other dad's on his team. Due to lightning delay, I actually ARed the game before my son's on the field as they needed an AR and I volunteered to do it. At first the center told me I could only signal in and out, and I again reiterated that I was certified and if he was only going to let me call in and out and not direction, fouls, offside, etc..., that he can just find another parent to do it, as I wasn't going to do that. I mean its kind of demeaning to another certified referee to be told you can only be a club sideline person instead of a full AR. He agreed to let me fully AR the game. I did end up getting paid for it, as I just emailed the assignor and he assigned it to me after the fact. The problem with SSA (and maybe other clubs as well) is they force all their own teams to be in their tournaments. As I said my son's team has 6 people between dad's and kids that can referee, but we couldn't do it for SSA because we were all watching or playing this weekend. You can probably estimate from there how many referees they lose from a lot of their select teams forcing them to play so they can't referee. |
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Post by rifle on Aug 16, 2021 18:30:19 GMT -5
Part of the reason that SSA can't find refs is that there pay scale sucks, especially when compared to SCCL pay rates. Here is the pay scale: SSA Tournament Pay Rates: Age Center AR 7v7 25 13 9v9 30 15 11v11 (13/14U) 35 20 11v11 (15/16U) 45 25 11v11 (17/19U) 50 35 SCCL U12: $60/$35/$35 U13-16: $65/$40/$40 U17-19: $75/$50/$50 Now in defense of SSA, Concorde's Nike Cup was only $5 per referee higher than SSA's. Tournament pay rates are always generally lower than regular season, as tournaments have reduced game times, etc.... That being said, they need to be matching at least what the other big clubs pay for their tournaments. I was at Lovejoy with my son's team. I am a certified referee, so is my son, so is 2 other kids and 2 other dad's on his team. Due to lightning delay, I actually ARed the game before my son's on the field as they needed an AR and I volunteered to do it. At first the center told me I could only signal in and out, and I again reiterated that I was certified and if he was only going to let me call in and out and not direction, fouls, offside, etc..., that he can just find another parent to do it, as I wasn't going to do that. I mean its kind of demeaning to another certified referee to be told you can only be a club sideline person instead of a full AR. He agreed to let me fully AR the game. I did end up getting paid for it, as I just emailed the assignor and he assigned it to me after the fact. The problem with SSA (and maybe other clubs as well) is they force all their own teams to be in their tournaments. As I said my son's team has 6 people between dad's and kids that can referee, but we couldn't do it for SSA because we were all watching or playing this weekend. You can probably estimate from there how many referees they lose from a lot of their select teams forcing them to play so they can't referee. were you in uniform? |
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Post by newguy on Aug 16, 2021 18:51:15 GMT -5
Was told SSA gave full refunds to nearly 60 teams that had to back out for COVID. Next couple of weeks are going to be interesting.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Aug 17, 2021 6:59:07 GMT -5
Now in defense of SSA, Concorde's Nike Cup was only $5 per referee higher than SSA's. Tournament pay rates are always generally lower than regular season, as tournaments have reduced game times, etc.... That being said, they need to be matching at least what the other big clubs pay for their tournaments. I was at Lovejoy with my son's team. I am a certified referee, so is my son, so is 2 other kids and 2 other dad's on his team. Due to lightning delay, I actually ARed the game before my son's on the field as they needed an AR and I volunteered to do it. At first the center told me I could only signal in and out, and I again reiterated that I was certified and if he was only going to let me call in and out and not direction, fouls, offside, etc..., that he can just find another parent to do it, as I wasn't going to do that. I mean its kind of demeaning to another certified referee to be told you can only be a club sideline person instead of a full AR. He agreed to let me fully AR the game. I did end up getting paid for it, as I just emailed the assignor and he assigned it to me after the fact. The problem with SSA (and maybe other clubs as well) is they force all their own teams to be in their tournaments. As I said my son's team has 6 people between dad's and kids that can referee, but we couldn't do it for SSA because we were all watching or playing this weekend. You can probably estimate from there how many referees they lose from a lot of their select teams forcing them to play so they can't referee. were you in uniform? Actually I did not put on my uniform, but I always keep my referee bag in my car when going to any game, because you never know when I might need to help. I asked the center if he wanted me to get my uniform from out of my car, and he said not to worry about it (they were already running late anyway due to lightning delay). So I did indeed offer to put it on, but it would have taken another 5-10 mins for me to go to and from car and at least throw on my shirt. I already had black shorts on. They ended up finding another certified referee that was a teenager as well for the other AR, and I think that is why he was ok with both of us calling it fully. His issue to begin with with me was more that one side would have a full AR and the other a club official and it wouldn't be right, but once he found another certified one he didn't really have a problem. |
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Post by rifle on Aug 17, 2021 11:40:45 GMT -5
Actually I did not put on my uniform, but I always keep my referee bag in my car when going to any game, because you never know when I might need to help. I asked the center if he wanted me to get my uniform from out of my car, and he said not to worry about it (they were already running late anyway due to lightning delay). So I did indeed offer to put it on, but it would have taken another 5-10 mins for me to go to and from car and at least throw on my shirt. I already had black shorts on. They ended up finding another certified referee that was a teenager as well for the other AR, and I think that is why he was ok with both of us calling it fully. His issue to begin with with me was more that one side would have a full AR and the other a club official and it wouldn't be right, but once he found another certified one he didn't really have a problem. interesting. I’ll bet that caused some people on other fields to freak out - if the non uniformed club linesman on your field was allowed to call offside |
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Post by bogan on Aug 17, 2021 18:08:49 GMT -5
rifle said “ interesting. I’ll bet that caused some people on other fields to freak out - if the non uniformed club linesman on your field was allowed to call offside” I’d only freak out if I saw a man in a clown outfit…
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Post by rifle on Aug 17, 2021 19:31:05 GMT -5
rifle said “ interesting. I’ll bet that caused some people on other fields to freak out - if the non uniformed club linesman on your field was allowed to call offside” I’d only freak out if I saw a man in a clown outfit… Numerous clowns without makeup freak out on every sideline at every game. |
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Post by bogan on Aug 17, 2021 19:44:12 GMT -5
rifle said “ interesting. I’ll bet that caused some people on other fields to freak out - if the non uniformed club linesman on your field was allowed to call offside” I’d only freak out if I saw a man in a clown outfit… Numerous clowns without makeup freak out on every sideline at every game. This is true… |
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Post by kidsocceruber on Aug 17, 2021 20:14:18 GMT -5
rifle said “ interesting. I’ll bet that caused some people on other fields to freak out - if the non uniformed club linesman on your field was allowed to call offside” I’d only freak out if I saw a man in a clown outfit… Numerous clowns without makeup freak out on every sideline at every game. Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right. |
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