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Post by Soccerhouse on Apr 25, 2022 13:54:46 GMT -5
If the club is paying for the league, then it's easier, but parents will be paying and some how those costs will be incorporated into overall fees which makes it difficult if teams aren't set. I'd be pretty pissed paying fees for a league my kids not playing in. I'm no longer in the business of subsidizing fees for players...... Did it enough when the kids were younger, and never received anything in return -- no thank you, no flowers, no cookies, nothing. Kids and parents left and moved on and never appreciated anything.
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Post by soccernoleuk on Apr 25, 2022 14:31:25 GMT -5
I have an idea for how rosters should be handled, but it probably makes too much sense and thus won't ever happen.
The club should create a larger roster from their top 2-3 teams and have this team train periodically (similar to ODP). Have each player that accepts a place pay a nominal fee, which is only for the training. Make it known that game rosters will be selected about 2-3 weeks prior to scheduled games, allowing time to make travel arrangements if necessary. Those rostered for the game weekends will need to pay a small additional fee.
This makes sure that all players training pay the same amount. It also makes sure players that don't play games don't need to pay as much as those that are playing games. I would think this would also help the club evaluate more players and develop deeper rosters for the future.
AFU pretty much does this with their summer program. If a player dedicates themselves to the team they pay full price and roster for all the games. However, they also have "Developmental Players", who pay less for training only. If they are rostered they pay a per game fee. At the end of the summer if a DP plays all the games, they will end up paying the same thing a full roster player pays.
As I said above, this probably makes too much sense and thus won't ever be adopted by any of the clubs participating.
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Post by mightydawg on Apr 25, 2022 16:41:44 GMT -5
I like the concept but that is a lot of money collecting and handling for some poor soul. What happens if a kid is selected for a roster but does not pay? Gives a whole new meaning to pay to play.
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Post by rifle on Apr 25, 2022 16:46:53 GMT -5
As I said back on page one… …I’m generally cynical about adding yet another “top” league or division that doesn’t organize by sporting merit (meaning results) but this one actually sounds alright if clubs use it to give opportunity to players who standout - even if they got placed on a lower level team at tryouts. If it becomes a club’s age group “all-star team”, I might even like the concept. If they just use it to give more games to the best eleven from their “top” team then I think it’s a missed opportunity. A showcase within a club would present almost like the clubs are interested in all the players. which is either the ECNL or GA team at the club (if they have that platform)? I see this league as being one of two or a combination of both options: 1. A completely separate team that players here 2. Treated as a pool similar to academy. if you play a good team you bring better A level players. Not as strong bring an A/B roster. Weak team C roster. GA has already told all the clubs they cannot put their GA teams in the league unless that changed and then ECNL would need a lot more games and travel to fall off of their schedule than what is proposed in the SE to make it agreeable. Otherwise any benefit that was reaped for reduced travel and extra recovery is out the window. I don’t think it’s a certainty. Sometimes evaluators miss the mark in tryouts and you’ll find some ballers on the (not top) team. Give those kids a sniff at higher level play and they might flourish - they also may not leave the club the following year. |
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Post by soccernoleuk on Apr 25, 2022 19:38:12 GMT -5
I like the concept but that is a lot of money collecting and handling for some poor soul. What happens if a kid is selected for a roster but does not pay? Gives a whole new meaning to pay to play. I don't think it is really that hard. Like I said, AFU already does this with their summer program and that is week to week. Coach announces the roster like I said, 2-3 weeks before the scheduled games if there is travel. Provide a deadline for payments and if the player doesn't pay they are replaced on the roster. If the expectation is set at the beginning of the year, and equally enforced, then it shouldn't be an issue. By the way, ODP essentially is the same thing. You pay at the beginning of the year, and that is for training. When events are held you pay extra if you are rostered. |
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Post by footyfan on Apr 26, 2022 12:53:17 GMT -5
The E64 league is a way to have more kids register for USYS that might otherwise only register through US Club or USSSA. This does 3 things for USYS:
1) for finances, new registration fees increase revenues
2) for power dynamics, new registrations increase total headcounts
3) for marketing, ability for the league to claim kids as USYS players that survive youth footy to move on to the college and/or pro ranks. Many of these kids currently in non-usys leagues
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Post by atlsoccerdad on May 1, 2022 20:16:06 GMT -5
UFA joining is very interesting Not really. They are already in the NL league so really no change to the team structure (at least on the girls side): ECNL, ECNLR, NL64 If this is an elite league, then expect to see elite coaches in those spots. If not, then something about pigs and lipstick. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 1, 2022 21:55:55 GMT -5
UFA joining is very interesting Not really. They are already in the NL league so really no change to the team structure (at least on the girls side): ECNL, ECNLR, NL64 If this is an elite league, then expect to see elite coaches in those spots. If not, then something about pigs and lipstick. They are not in NL. They were doing NPL, which is US Club soccer. They have not done any NL, which is USYS, since SCCL began and they pulled all higher level teams put of Georgia Soccer NPL and NL are two completely different leagues run by different entities. As of last year all UFA teams (except UFA South Georgia) were out of Georgia Soccer. Rejoining USYS in any form is a bit of a surprise but I think a pleasant one since they are not putting all eggs in one basket. Too much of that currently. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 3, 2022 16:10:59 GMT -5
more elite teams added....
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Post by mightydawg on May 3, 2022 16:16:02 GMT -5
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Post by greenmonkey on May 3, 2022 16:26:20 GMT -5
@soccerhouse
Let’s settle the MOST important decision about Elite 64 …
When will you add the E64 designation rank award for forum member contributors and how many Elite Level of posts am I away from achieving it?!!!
GM
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 3, 2022 17:52:30 GMT -5
@soccerhouse Let’s settle the MOST important decision about Elite 64 … When will you add the E64 designation rank award for forum member contributors and how many Elite Level of posts am I away from achieving it?!!! GM oh it's coming....... |
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 3, 2022 17:53:17 GMT -5
so 10 month season mixed in during high school? or do they really expect these kids not to play high school. This could be a disaster upon us. |
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Post by dabe on May 4, 2022 6:30:38 GMT -5
From another forum- Parents are saying their 2nd teams, all the way down to their 5th & 6th teams are playing in the league. Everything I read said "top teams" are out. I think "Elite 64" should have been a series of invitationals for top performing clubs/teams already playing with USYS. They wouldn't bring in new money but could easily charge enough to have current families pay the same amount. If the launch was seemed "elite" enough may convince some new clubs to join the following season
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 4, 2022 8:11:06 GMT -5
From another forum- Parents are saying their 2nd teams, all the way down to their 5th & 6th teams are playing in the league. Everything I read said "top teams" are out. I think "Elite 64" should have been a series of invitationals for top performing clubs/teams already playing with USYS. They wouldn't bring in new money but could easily charge enough to have current families pay the same amount. If the launch was seemed "elite" enough may convince some new clubs to join the following season yea, this getting dumb and dumber by the minute. This is worse than a used car salesman, this is Snake Oil Salesmen. I'm 100% fed up. |
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Post by bogan on May 4, 2022 8:19:25 GMT -5
I’m going to withhold judgment until I see how it works or doesn’t…but unless I’m missing something, it doesn’t seem like it’s going to fly.
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Post by dabe on Jun 7, 2022 17:11:09 GMT -5
Apparently fees for rescheduling games is $250 divided amongst the team. Trying to figure out if reschedule fees exist in ECNL/RL leagues as well. Is it new to just E64 or is this unique to our club?
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Post by mightydawg on Jun 7, 2022 19:56:06 GMT -5
Apparently fees for rescheduling games is $250 divided amongst the team. Trying to figure out if reschedule fees exist in ECNL/RL leagues as well. Is it new to just E64 or is this unique to our club? Is it rescheduled games or forfeited games? SCCL has a rule that if a game is scheduled and a team does not show up, it is a $250 fine and clubs passed that on to the team. Several years ago our coach missed screwed up a home game of all things and the club was fined. |
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Post by dabe on Jun 7, 2022 20:08:14 GMT -5
Apparently fees for rescheduling games is $250 divided amongst the team. Trying to figure out if reschedule fees exist in ECNL/RL leagues as well. Is it new to just E64 or is this unique to our club? Is it rescheduled games or forfeited games? SCCL has a rule that if a game is scheduled and a team does not show up, it is a $250 fine and clubs passed that on to the team. Several years ago our coach missed screwed up a home game of all things and the club was fined. Rescheduled games for any other reason than inclement weather. Which seems pretty difficult since most of the coaches at the club are coaching at least two elite 64 teams... |
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Post by soccerparentx on Jun 8, 2022 9:11:55 GMT -5
From another forum- Parents are saying their 2nd teams, all the way down to their 5th & 6th teams are playing in the league. Everything I read said "top teams" are out. I think "Elite 64" should have been a series of invitationals for top performing clubs/teams already playing with USYS. They wouldn't bring in new money but could easily charge enough to have current families pay the same amount. If the launch was seemed "elite" enough may convince some new clubs to join the following season Are you looking at forums across the region / nation? I get you-- the competition is going to vary. As much as I would like to play UFA, GSA, NASA, and CF every weekend and in tournaments, it's nice to play other teams outside of the GA elite bubble. I feel that that without one system, there will never be that consolidated pool of talent (for boys anyway- I feel like the girls side is more streamlined). Maybe in the US there should be an Precious Metals League Cup where the best MLS Next teams play the best USYS teams play the best US Club Soccer teams play the best YMCA teams and other best alphabet teams that choose to to be Premier/Elite/Platinum. |
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