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Post by nole95 on Feb 18, 2022 14:30:03 GMT -5
We have had three refs at every varsity game we have played this year. As for refs, as long as the ref is consistent with the calls, I am fine. If you are going to call a tight game and blow the whistle every time there is minimal contact, then be sure to apply it both ways.
I do have another question in regard to high school soccer. If you are in a 4-3-3 formation, what would be the expectation for the wings as far as positioning? Should the wings be pushed forward up with the defenders at all times? Would you expect that they be dropped far back into the midfield and defensive players? Somewhere in between?
I ask because what I am seeing with our team is that the wings are often very deep. Like way back where the defenders are just outside the box. This often leaves our center forward out on an island so that when they get the ball, they do not have anyone to quickly pass to when all the defenders inevitably come at them. By the time the wings get up into a good position, it is too late. Some parents in the stands have jokingly called this the prevent offense. Many of the other teams we have played seem to have all three offensive players pushed up most of the time.
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Post by rudy on Feb 18, 2022 14:44:21 GMT -5
High school parents are definitely worse IMHO. I think it comes down to the level of play. Had a kid play at the very very top of the club pyramid and high school because he wanted to play with his school friends. The level of soccer is no comparison and high school resembles nothing like "the beautiful game" with a few exceptions. Comments often reflect this.
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Post by mightydawg on Feb 18, 2022 15:17:05 GMT -5
We have had three refs at every varsity game we have played this year. As for refs, as long as the ref is consistent with the calls, I am fine. If you are going to call a tight game and blow the whistle every time there is minimal contact, then be sure to apply it both ways. I do have another question in regard to high school soccer. If you are in a 4-3-3 formation, what would be the expectation for the wings as far as positioning? Should the wings be pushed forward up with the defenders at all times? Would you expect that they be dropped far back into the midfield and defensive players? Somewhere in between? I ask because what I am seeing with our team is that the wings are often very deep. Like way back where the defenders are just outside the box. This often leaves our center forward out on an island so that when they get the ball, they do not have anyone to quickly pass to when all the defenders inevitably come at them. By the time the wings get up into a good position, it is too late. Some parents in the stands have jokingly called this the prevent offense. Many of the other teams we have played seem to have all three offensive players pushed up most of the time. The answer regarding the positioning of the wings is a 4-3-3 is it depends largely on what the other team is doing. If the other team is keeping 4 in the back the entire time, then the wingers can stay higher. Typically, the wing on the ball side will drop in to help defend while the opposite side stays higher on the field. If the other team is getting the outside backs forward, the wingers have to drop back to help to keep the defense from being outnumbered. The other factor is how are the 3 mid-fielders playing. If one of the mids is an attackng mid that is staying higher under the striker, then the wings have to drop back to help with defense. But you are correct that you can't just leave a single striker up top with no help and have a very successful offense. There has to be someone to lay the ball off to. |
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Post by soccerlegacy on Feb 20, 2022 15:12:16 GMT -5
Anyone else think that the HS referees are worse, or much worse, than club?? I have seen some truly awful calls and non-calls in HS varsity soccer! Go get certified. Clearly you can do a better job. Hahaha... I guess my observation caused some disagreement with some on here. Sorry. It was just an observation and wanted to know if others saw it the same way. As for getting certified and doing it myself, I have a physical limitation, that doesn't mean I don't know what I am seeing or not seeing with my eyes. I was just curious as to others' interpretations of the quality compared to top level club refs. Also, as for HS parents... I also feel they are much worse at HS games than club games. I agree with someone on here that said its probably due to the distance from the field. I also think coaches in club crack down on it more. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Feb 21, 2022 11:38:06 GMT -5
I'm a certified referee, but I refuse to go and do the extra certification for High School because I despise the 2 man system. I understand why they do it. Its a sheer numbers game. You can't get 3 referees to a game especially if 2 of them are going to be paid less being ARs. The 2 man system is a no win situation for the referees. They are going to miss calls and get calls wrong and miss close offside calls. Until they put a standard 3 man system back in for all games in HS I won't consider refereeing it. That being said I can forgive close bad calls or calls where they just aren't in the position to make. The issue I have is if we are going to do a 2 man system in HS then those 2 referees need to be pretty knowledgeable and very good referees. I have seen the same 2 referees officiate my son's last two games, and while one was very good the other younger college aged woman was horrible, and didn't know even basic stuff or get basic stuff correct. She was not ready or prepared to referee a HS game and probably shouldn't be allowed to do so. I almost think it was a Father/Daughter combo as they rode together.
Yes the parents in HS are worse. I hear some of the most stupid things in the stands, but having refereed club games in a stadium many times, due to the stands being so much higher up, generally you can't make out what any of them say. Its just noise. I can hear the players talk better in a stadium environment though.
HS soccer is worse for the most part as well. It takes a month or more of going back to club training to "get the HS out" of the kids that play HS. I can see it in both my son and his teammates from his club team.
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Post by soccerloafer on Feb 21, 2022 12:29:24 GMT -5
"You can't get 3 referees to a game especially if 2 of them are going to be paid less being ARs." All crewmembers are paid the same regardless of position. www.gsoa.net/ref_fees/It's up to the school to request 2 or 3 person crew. Not all 3 person requests can be honored based on availability. I've posted here already about the challenges of the dual system. Not a fan, but I do the best I can for the players. Wanted to provide some data on the pay issue. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Feb 21, 2022 12:31:02 GMT -5
"You can't get 3 referees to a game especially if 2 of them are going to be paid less being ARs." All crewmembers are paid the same regardless of position. www.gsoa.net/ref_fees/It's up to the school to request 2 or 3 person crew. Not all 3 person requests can be honored based on availability. I've posted here already about the challenges of the dual system. Not a fan, but I do the best I can for the players. Wanted to provide some data on the pay issue. Was this always the case though? I thought that this was not the policy years ago which made rise to the 2 man system... When was the equal pay policy enacted? |
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Post by soccerloafer on Feb 21, 2022 13:16:12 GMT -5
"You can't get 3 referees to a game especially if 2 of them are going to be paid less being ARs." All crewmembers are paid the same regardless of position. www.gsoa.net/ref_fees/It's up to the school to request 2 or 3 person crew. Not all 3 person requests can be honored based on availability. I've posted here already about the challenges of the dual system. Not a fan, but I do the best I can for the players. Wanted to provide some data on the pay issue. Was this always the case though? I thought that this was not the policy years ago which made rise to the 2 man system... When was the equal pay policy enacted? Don't know the history. Rejoined HS this year after a long break. Overall it's been ok so far, better than I expected. |
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Post by coffee on Feb 21, 2022 15:09:12 GMT -5
I’ve only seen 3-man crews at the six, or seven varsity games I’ve watched this year. Where I do see 2-man crews it’s at JV games.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Feb 21, 2022 16:03:34 GMT -5
I’ve only seen 3-man crews at the six, or seven varsity games I’ve watched this year. Where I do see 2-man crews it’s at JV games. I can verify there are not 3 man crews at the Varsity games I have attended Home or Away, same goes with JV. |
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Post by soccerloafer on Feb 21, 2022 16:22:46 GMT -5
I’ve only seen 3-man crews at the six, or seven varsity games I’ve watched this year. Where I do see 2-man crews it’s at JV games. I can verify there are not 3 man crews at the Varsity games I have attended Home or Away, same goes with JV. Had duals on girls varsity, but not for big metro schools. Think more exurbs - next county out from the big ones. No duals on boys varsity, but plenty of JV both genders. For the next two weeks, 8 of my assignments are 3-man (all varsity). 3 are dual - 2 JV, 1 girls varsity. |
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Post by 04gparent on Feb 21, 2022 16:28:11 GMT -5
Girls: In 7A it will be interesting to see how the season ends... With graduations and TD overseas the defending champs dont appear to have the same venom. So 7A is wide open at this point... Looking at scores Johns Creek and Buford appears to be the top of the classification... Do you have a prediction of the 7A, 6A, or 5A champs for girls?
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Post by coffee on Feb 21, 2022 16:58:52 GMT -5
Girls: In 7A it will be interesting to see how the season ends... With graduations and TD overseas the defending champs dont appear to have the same venom. So 7A is wide open at this point... Looking at scores Johns Creek and Buford appears to be the top of the classification... Do you have a prediction of the 7A, 6A, or 5A champs for girls? I’ll take a shot at this… Girls 7A Denmark 6A Blessed Trinity 5A Cambridge |
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Post by mightydawg on Feb 21, 2022 17:39:32 GMT -5
Girls: In 7A it will be interesting to see how the season ends... With graduations and TD overseas the defending champs dont appear to have the same venom. So 7A is wide open at this point... Looking at scores Johns Creek and Buford appears to be the top of the classification... Do you have a prediction of the 7A, 6A, or 5A champs for girls? I’ll take a shot at this… Girls 7A Denmark 6A Blessed Trinity 5A Cambridge Blessed Trinity is still in 5A until next school year. |
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Post by notcrazysoccerdad on Feb 21, 2022 18:03:10 GMT -5
Girls: In 7A it will be interesting to see how the season ends... With graduations and TD overseas the defending champs dont appear to have the same venom. So 7A is wide open at this point... Looking at scores Johns Creek and Buford appears to be the top of the classification... Do you have a prediction of the 7A, 6A, or 5A champs for girls? I’ll take a shot at this… Girls 7A Denmark 6A Blessed Trinity 5A Cambridge What about Harrison in 7A? They have beaten Lovett, BT and Lambert. Looking forward to Westminster playing some other good teams. They dominated Walton this weekend. |
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Post by bogan on Feb 21, 2022 20:56:24 GMT -5
Who wins on the boys side?
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Post by 04gparent on Feb 21, 2022 22:12:17 GMT -5
I’ll take a shot at this… Girls 7A Denmark 6A Blessed Trinity 5A Cambridge What about Harrison in 7A? They have beaten Lovett, BT and Lambert. Looking forward to Westminster playing some other good teams. They dominated Walton this weekend. Wow. Harrison seems to be strong at this point in the season. |
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Post by kidsocceruber on Feb 22, 2022 9:53:16 GMT -5
Forgive the cut/paste. For reference here are the latest rankings per coaches vote on eurosportscoreboard
GA | Class AAAAAAA Ranking
Boys Girls
Pebblebrook High School (7-0-0) 1 Harrison High School (6-0-0)
Harrison High School (6-0-0) 2 Denmark High School (8-0-0)
Campbell High School (7-1-0) 3 Brookwood High School (5-1-0)
Dunwoody High School (8-0-1) 4 Roswell High School (4-0-3)
Peachtree Ridge High School (6-1-0) 5 Lambert High School (6-2-0)
Forsyth Central High School (4-0-2) 6 North Paulding High School (6-0-0)
Hillgrove High School (4-1-0) 7 Hillgrove High School (4-0-1)
Denmark High School (6-2-0) 8 Dunwoody High School (4-2-0)
Norcross High School (5-1-1) 9 Mill Creek High School (1-2-0)
South Gwinnett High School (5-2-0) 10 Peachtree Ridge High School (5-2-0)
GA | Class AAAAAA Ranking
Boys Girls
Dalton High School (4-0-2) 1 Johns Creek High School (5-0-1)
Johns Creek High School (5-0-1) 2 Buford High School (7-0-0)
Central Gwinnett High School (5-0-1) 3 Lassiter High School (5-0-2)
Lassiter High School (6-1-0) 4 Houston County High School (7-1-0)
Rome High School (5-0-0) 5 Cambridge High School (4-2-1)
Lakeside High School (6-0-0) 6 Chattahoochee High School (5-2-0)
Sprayberry High School (4-1-1) 7 Pope High School (4-3-1)
Riverwood High School (5-2-0) 8 Centennial High School (5-1-0)
Buford High School (4-1-1) 9 North Atlanta High School (4-2-1)
Osborne High School (4-1-1) 10 Glynn Academy High School (5-0-0)
GA | Class AAAAA Ranking
Boys Girls
Johnson High School (Gainesville) (6-0-1) 1 Blessed Trinity High School (6-1-1)
Whitewater High School (4-0-2) 2 McIntosh High School (5-1-0)
Clarke Central High School (7-0-0) 3 St. Pius X Catholic High School (3-2-0)
Woodward Academy (5-1-0) 4 Chamblee High School (6-1-0)
St. Pius X Catholic High School (4-1-0) 5 Greenbrier High School (3-0-0)
McIntosh High School (5-2-0) 6 Midtown High School (3-2-0)
Loganville High School (6-0-0) 7 Northgate High School (6-1-0)
Veterans High School (6-2-1) 8 Decatur High School (4-2-0)
Union Grove High School (5-1-0) 9 Loganville High School (6-0-0)
Blessed Trinity High School (2-5-0) 10 Starr's Mill High School (3-4-0)
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Post by mamadona on Feb 22, 2022 12:36:02 GMT -5
Does anyone know how Alpharetta HS is doing? For girls. Decent but not a top team? It will be a few years before my daughter will (hopefully) play there.
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Post by notcrazysoccerdad on Feb 22, 2022 15:12:00 GMT -5
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Post by nole95 on Feb 23, 2022 11:38:07 GMT -5
Main concern I have about Denmark is the quality of the teams they have played so far. They have pretty much trashed everyone they have played except for Cambridge. However if you look at the combined win-loss records of the teams they have faced, it’s not really good at all.
After what should be an easy region game later this week, they then play Lambert, West Forsyth and Alpharetta. Those three games should indicate whether or not they are legit.
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Post by 04gparent on Feb 23, 2022 13:16:00 GMT -5
Main concern I have about Denmark is the quality of the teams they have played so far. They have pretty much trashed everyone they have played except for Cambridge. However if you look at the combined win-loss records of the teams they have faced, it’s not really good at all. After what should be an easy region game later this week, they then play Lambert, West Forsyth and Alpharetta. Those three games should indicate whether or not they are legit. 7A girls is wide open... Based on the scores and the few games I have seen I think the higher level teams are all bunched together. Region games are always where the best teams seperate themselves. It will be an interesting year... |
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Post by mamadona on Feb 25, 2022 12:29:05 GMT -5
What are the 07s doing who are not in HS yet? If you don’t make your HS team or don’t want to play, there’s just rec in spring? Can 11&12th graders still be on JV if they’re not good enough for varsity?
I don’t know anything about HS soccer, trying to learn… (My daughter is in 6th grade and plays MS soccer & academy, she likes it!)
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Post by rifle on Feb 25, 2022 12:33:02 GMT -5
What are the 07s doing who are not in HS yet? If you don’t make your HS team or don’t want to play, there’s just rec in spring? Can 11&12th graders still be on JV if they’re not good enough for varsity? I don’t know anything about HS soccer, trying to learn… (My daughter is in 6th grade and plays MS soccer & academy, she likes it!) A few schools play 11th graders on varsity. I don’t think it is very common. |
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Post by soccerparent02 on Feb 25, 2022 13:04:23 GMT -5
11th can play JV. Unless school needs a player that old why would they keep them? JV is to give minutes to hopeful varsity players in the coming years. If kids not playing varsity by 11th SLIM chance they will in 12th.
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Feb 25, 2022 13:18:53 GMT -5
What are the 07s doing who are not in HS yet? If you don’t make your HS team or don’t want to play, there’s just rec in spring? Can 11&12th graders still be on JV if they’re not good enough for varsity? I don’t know anything about HS soccer, trying to learn… (My daughter is in 6th grade and plays MS soccer & academy, she likes it!) My oldest daughter is in this situation (a "trapped" 8th grader born in 07). She was on an ECNL-R team in the fall and the other 8th grade 07's from her team are combining with trapped players from the ECNL team to play a spring friendly schedule in SCCL. But she's also playing on her MS team at a private school, so she will get a lot of soccer this spring between club & school. |
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Post by soccernoleuk on Feb 25, 2022 13:24:14 GMT -5
What are the 07s doing who are not in HS yet? If you don’t make your HS team or don’t want to play, there’s just rec in spring? Can 11&12th graders still be on JV if they’re not good enough for varsity? I don’t know anything about HS soccer, trying to learn… (My daughter is in 6th grade and plays MS soccer & academy, she likes it!) It depends on what club the 07 is at. Some clubs offer a spring team for the "Trap Players", or those not playing HS soccer. Other clubs have their ECNL Trap Players playing ECNL with the 08 age group as they are allowed to roster a few players each game. Yes, 11th graders can play JV in High School, but 12th graders are not allowed to. If 12th graders still want to be part of the team/program, they are typically made managers so they can still be involved. As to why an 11th grader is playing JV, I imagine it is for multiple reasons. Most schools have trouble fielding quality on JV and struggle for numbers in general. Also, having someone around that likes soccer that much can be a positive for the younger players on the team. It's the same reason a player not good enough as a 12th grader for Varsity will potentially be around as a Team Manager...they are good for the program. Another thing to keep in mind as a Trap Player. You might be at a school where an 8th grader can play Middle School soccer, or even roster with JV. |
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Post by mamadona on Feb 25, 2022 17:52:28 GMT -5
Thanks! I understand it all better now. My daughter is spring born so won’t be a trap player. I was just curious. That makes sense about JV being mostly for younger players with potential to make Varsity.
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Post by Keeper on Feb 28, 2022 8:24:26 GMT -5
What are the 07s doing who are not in HS yet? If you don’t make your HS team or don’t want to play, there’s just rec in spring? Can 11&12th graders still be on JV if they’re not good enough for varsity? I don’t know anything about HS soccer, trying to learn… (My daughter is in 6th grade and plays MS soccer & academy, she likes it!) It depends on what club the 07 is at. Some clubs offer a spring team for the "Trap Players", or those not playing HS soccer. Other clubs have their ECNL Trap Players playing ECNL with the 08 age group as they are allowed to roster a few players each game. Yes, 11th graders can play JV in High School, but 12th graders are not allowed to. If 12th graders still want to be part of the team/program, they are typically made managers so they can still be involved. As to why an 11th grader is playing JV, I imagine it is for multiple reasons. Most schools have trouble fielding quality on JV and struggle for numbers in general. Also, having someone around that likes soccer that much can be a positive for the younger players on the team. It's the same reason a player not good enough as a 12th grader for Varsity will potentially be around as a Team Manager...they are good for the program. Another thing to keep in mind as a Trap Player. You might be at a school where an 8th grader can play Middle School soccer, or even roster with JV. One small correction. 12th graders are allowed to play JV, most coaches and students won’t though but it does happen and is allowed. Remember JV games don’t count for anything. They’re like U9 Academy games and meant to just develop players and take your money. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 5, 2022 10:25:49 GMT -5
Had an opportunity to watch Buford vs Lanier girls last night. They had 3 refs. Buford has some very strong players about half of whom I know personally and some that were out with injury. Quite a team. It is a shame though that they have so many region games that they mercy rule teams. How does that help them get better?
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