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Post by bogan on Mar 10, 2022 14:15:08 GMT -5
Is there an equivalent in American football? I don’t remember any mercy rules…maybe not kicking a field goal and more running plays but…
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 10, 2022 14:30:09 GMT -5
Is there an equivalent in American football? I don’t remember any mercy rules…maybe not kicking a field goal and more running plays but… They run the clock. No stopping the clock for first downs or running out of bounds or the majority of reasons you would stop the clock (incomplete passes). This is in high school. |
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Post by mightydawg on Mar 10, 2022 17:54:27 GMT -5
An intentional 21-0 win is awful, but within the rules. Devil's advocate. The coach takes a 10-0 win, but loses a Region bid (and potential state run) based on the goals for rule in the region. Then his kids are sitting home wondering what they did wrong... It's pretty much a no win situation. I don't condone what the coach did, but I empathize with the situation. Ensure his kids go as far as possible based on poorly written rules or demonstrate good sportsmanship? To me it depends on what was communicated to the opponent and when. Here is what I don’t get about that argument—you play everyone in the region. Win all of your games and you are the first seed from your region without any tiebreakers. Tiebreakers are only going to apply if you drop a couple of region games and are getting close in as the 3rd or 4th seed. |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Mar 10, 2022 17:59:01 GMT -5
An intentional 21-0 win is awful, but within the rules. Devil's advocate. The coach takes a 10-0 win, but loses a Region bid (and potential state run) based on the goals for rule in the region. Then his kids are sitting home wondering what they did wrong... It's pretty much a no win situation. I don't condone what the coach did, but I empathize with the situation. Ensure his kids go as far as possible based on poorly written rules or demonstrate good sportsmanship? To me it depends on what was communicated to the opponent and when. Here is what I don’t get about that argument—you play everyone in the region. Win all of your games and you are the first seed from your region without any tiebreakers. Tiebreakers are only going to apply if you drop a couple of region games and are getting close in as the 3rd or 4th seed. Yeah I thought about that too - if you take care of your business in your other games, a tie-breaker never comes into play. |
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Mar 10, 2022 18:06:26 GMT -5
Here is what I don’t get about that argument—you play everyone in the region. Win all of your games and you are the first seed from your region without any tiebreakers. Tiebreakers are only going to apply if you drop a couple of region games and are getting close in as the 3rd or 4th seed. Yeah I thought about that too - if you take care of your business in your other games, a tie-breaker never comes into play. This team knows they aren't anywhere close to not making playoffs. |
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Post by kidsocceruber on Mar 10, 2022 20:57:26 GMT -5
For reference, this is GHSA's rules for tiebreaker unless the region has their own(Why would the region not cap goal differential at all, it's 2022 you'd think this would have come up already). Last season we had a 3 way tie 3rd-5th so one team was bounced by goal differential in the head to head games. www.ghsa.net/sites/default/files/documents/soccer/2021-2022_Soccer_Coaches_and_Officials_Handbook_Final.pdfREGION COMPETITION: A. When a Region has not adopted its own tie-breaker method, the following Tie-Breaking Procedure will be used for seeding purposes: 1. Record against all teams in the Region. 2. Winning team in head-to-head competition between schools that are tied. 3. Goals allowed in head-to-head competition between schools that are tied. 4. Goal differential in head-to-head competition between schools that are tied (maximum of three (3) goals per game). 5. Goals allowed in all Region games 6. Goal differential in all Region games (maximum of three (3) goals per game). Note: When figuring “goals allowed” and “goal differential” in matches decided by penalty kicks, the winning team will have one (1) goal added to its game score and the losing team will have no goals added regardless of the number of penalty kicks that were made by either team. 7. In any step of the tie-breaking process if a three-way tie is broken so that all ties are broken, that step determines the placements. If two teams remain tied after a step is completed, revert back to head-to-head record to break the tie. If the tie cannot be broken, move to the next step. H. In accordance with the National Federation allowance for a state adoption (Rule 7-1-5), when there is a competitive imbalance between the teams, the match will be shortened as follows: 1. If a team is seven (7) or more goals down at the midpoint of the first half, that will be considered the end of the half, and the teams will play a twenty (20) minute second half. 2. If a team is seven (7) or more goals behind at halftime, the second half will be restricted to twenty (20) minutes. 3. When a team trails by ten (10) or more goals at halftime, the game will be terminated. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Mar 11, 2022 12:01:52 GMT -5
An intentional 21-0 win is awful, but within the rules. Devil's advocate. The coach takes a 10-0 win, but loses a Region bid (and potential state run) based on the goals for rule in the region. Then his kids are sitting home wondering what they did wrong... It's pretty much a no win situation. I don't condone what the coach did, but I empathize with the situation. Ensure his kids go as far as possible based on poorly written rules or demonstrate good sportsmanship? To me it depends on what was communicated to the opponent and when. Top 4 teams from each region makes the playoffs, right?
If you're the 5th place team and winning 200-0 is the only way you jump the 4th place team in your region to make the playoffs...maybe you shouldn't make the playoffs...
Also, Commerce is FIRST in 1A at 8-1, I don't think a 21-0 win was necessary. Speaks more to the coach and players IMO.
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Post by newposter on Mar 11, 2022 12:59:16 GMT -5
Have to disagree. Kids team lost tournament cede tiebreaker by a goal. Each team identical record, tied each other and lost on goal differential against common opponent. Kids team won 10-0. Other team won 11-0. They knew going into game number of goals needed. They scored 11 because of the rule to get higher cede. We lost 2nd round home game as a result.
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Post by georgiasoccerdad on Mar 11, 2022 13:27:43 GMT -5
Commerce is 5-1 in Region play- Not sure what the coach is worried about since they will certainly make the postseason. Is it really worth imploding another school's team to move up a spot in the seedings?
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Post by hotspur1 on Mar 12, 2022 8:30:58 GMT -5
Commerce is 5-1 in Region play- Not sure what the coach is worried about since they will certainly make the postseason. Is it really worth imploding another school's team to move up a spot in the seedings? That idiot coach should understand a game like that could easily result in his daughter or one of the other players getting taken out by the other team. Not saying it would be right but I’ve seen many teams get pretty physical in a situation like that…. |
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Post by rifle on Mar 12, 2022 10:57:39 GMT -5
Commerce is 5-1 in Region play- Not sure what the coach is worried about since they will certainly make the postseason. Is it really worth imploding another school's team to move up a spot in the seedings? That idiot coach should understand a game like that could easily result in his daughter or one of the other players getting taken out by the other team. Not saying it would be right but I’ve seen many teams get pretty physical in a situation like that…. Coach’s daughter is a sophomore who just passed 100 goals. I think the “strategy” has a pretty specific purpose.. but it feels more like shooting fish in a barrel. |
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Post by nole95 on Mar 12, 2022 14:27:35 GMT -5
Is there a place to find out if a region has adopted their own tiebreaker system separate from the GHSA?
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Mar 30, 2022 11:29:14 GMT -5
This is an absurd case of poor sportsmanship. No school should be trying to score 21 goals. And no player should be left on the field to score 11 goals in one game. Agree - the coach pulling the "hey I'm just playing the cards I was dealt" act is such a cop-out. It didn't prevent him from doing the right thing. Interesting the 2nd time this same team played them, they forfeited. Commerce only got a 1-0 win for a forfeit. I guess that's one way to stop them from running up the score. |
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Post by mightydawg on Mar 30, 2022 13:10:29 GMT -5
Agree - the coach pulling the "hey I'm just playing the cards I was dealt" act is such a cop-out. It didn't prevent him from doing the right thing. Interesting the 2nd time this same team played them, they forfeited. Commerce only got a 1-0 win for a forfeit. I guess that's one way to stop them from running up the score. Not a fan of forfeits but that is karma for what the coach pulled the first time. |
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