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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 1, 2022 11:13:41 GMT -5
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Post by soccerlegacy on Mar 1, 2022 11:25:01 GMT -5
This has me really interested. I'm curious to see what it is that has become so toxic in the culture of the USWNT. I have some ideas, but hopefully this will give some 1st hand knowledge and insight to confirm or clarify those thoughts. Thanks for sharing!
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Post by mightydawg on Mar 1, 2022 11:41:42 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see if they actually talk in more details but I doubt it. Sounds like it will just be vague references to a bad social culture within the team.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Mar 1, 2022 19:39:29 GMT -5
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Post by rifle on Mar 1, 2022 20:27:14 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see if they actually talk in more details but I doubt it. Sounds like it will just be vague references to a bad social culture within the team. It has me curious for sure. Hope is the best female goalkeeper ever and got run off for being competitive and speaking freely (yes I know.. and driving the car and being a heel) and subsequently turning into the queen of ZFG.. and Carli is wrapping it up. Scorched earth honesty seems likely when you have nothing to lose. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 2, 2022 8:08:48 GMT -5
Haven't listened yet, but Carli was on the State of the Union podcast saying similar things - talks about endorsements and "brand" development vs what happens on the field.
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Post by soccerfan30 on Mar 2, 2022 8:34:10 GMT -5
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Post by bogan on Mar 2, 2022 8:57:13 GMT -5
She sounds bitter and angry (Hope). I suppose I would be too considering the settlement. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 2, 2022 9:11:18 GMT -5
She brings up many valid points, especially on agreeing to the last contract. She's no doubt pissed off and extremely frustrated and along with the "moral victory" of those negotiations knowing it wasn't the right deal. Sounds like they agreed to very bad contract in their eyes back then.
Hope seems to know what she's talking about though and seems to know the history more than anyone else.
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Post by bolo on Mar 2, 2022 14:52:12 GMT -5
I haven't listened to the podcast yet either, but it's not like several major issues around the "team culture" weren't plain to see over the past few years. Specifically that the USWNT was extremely outspoken politically, and always on the liberal side of every issue. There were clearly some players, like Lloyd, that didn't agree with those views (or at least some of them), including kneeling for the national anthem. However, in today's climate they felt pressured to conform, likely for fear of being labeled some type of "-ist" or "-phobe" and risking being canceled/ostracized. No different from what happens routinely these days on school campuses and in the halls of corporate America (both Wall Street & Main Street-type businesses). America as a whole is a centrist country, which means that there are likely a lot of people on every team, in every classroom, and at every company that don't agree with left-wing or "woke" viewpoints. But sharing that or acting on it has become very dangerous as absolutely everything has become politicized. What a crazy time that we live in when those standing for the national anthem instead of kneeling are/were the risk-takers & rebels. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 2, 2022 23:01:31 GMT -5
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Post by coffee on Mar 3, 2022 0:09:23 GMT -5
Perhaps she’s working on a book, and is stirring up interest. |
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Post by rifle on Mar 3, 2022 5:44:50 GMT -5
Perhaps she’s working on a book, and is stirring up interest. This seems likely. Not sure how many buy a book about womens soccer tea but you never know. I haven’t listened to the podcast with Hope Solo yet but I just listened to Carli beat around the bush for seven minutes on Instagram. Did she get any closer to the point in the podcast? Clearly there is pent up frustration - I just don’t yet know the crux of it… Any guesses? Red vs Blue in the red, white and blue - ie Politics? Social issues? Sexism at the federation? Athlete entitlement? Something entirely different like agents? Team meals too/not spicy enough? The national team is an atypical “workplace”. Their role would be much easier if they were just athletes and not role models.. but the social media era we live in demands more. It sounds like the gravity of that.. is heavy. |
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Post by soccerloafer on Mar 3, 2022 9:20:38 GMT -5
It's the NATIONAL team. You know, playing for your COUNTRY with PATRIOTISM and PRIDE. Don't support it, don't play for it.
When you let an outspoken anti-American dominate your locker room and influence weaker minded players, you get conflict. Hope was pushed out partly because of her outspoken nature, despite her strong performance on the field. The same treatment should have applied to Rapinoe.
Say and do what you want in your private life. When you bring opinions and actions to work and create a hostile environment, you get fired.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 3, 2022 9:42:50 GMT -5
What is interesting is at first it came off as -- oh man, Hope has a new podcast, and she is stirring the pot...
But nope -- Carli has an axe to grind for sure.
She's taken to Hope's podcast, Alexi Lalas's show, and now this Instagram tirade.
Clearly she has more to tell -- This story isn't over. You have to assume she does not like Rapinoe at all! Who else could it possibly be on that team?
and I just found this video from 5 years ago -
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Post by mightydawg on Mar 3, 2022 10:44:21 GMT -5
What is interesting is at first it came off as -- oh man, Hope has a new podcast, and she is stirring the pot... But nope -- Carli has an axe to grind for sure. She's taken to Hope's podcast, Alexi Lalas's show, and now this Instagram tirade. Clearly she has more to tell -- This story isn't over. You have to assume she does not like Rapinoe at all! Who else could it possibly be on that team? and I just found this video from 5 years ago - I have not watched the Instagram one yet, but in the Alexi show she said that beginning in 2015, players were more concerned about endorsement deals and their brand than the national team. It did not sound political or social issues. It sounded like it was a like of focus and a sense of complacency to chance advertising dollars. If that is the case, her anger is directed at Alex Morgan and Megan Rapinoe since they have the most endorsement deals. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 3, 2022 11:02:45 GMT -5
I often did get the impression many wanted to be bigger than the crest on the shirt.
But this beast was also created because of the sense of entitlement many had and having to be an allocated player to have a career and be paid to play soccer.
I always also felt like for many of these women were professional US women's national team players, their jobs were being on the USWNT. I had no idea nor did I care or watch them play for their club teams.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Mar 3, 2022 11:31:17 GMT -5
It's the NATIONAL team. You know, playing for your COUNTRY with PATRIOTISM and PRIDE. Don't support it, don't play for it. When you let an outspoken anti-American dominate your locker room and influence weaker minded players, you get conflict. Hope was pushed out partly because of her outspoken nature, despite her strong performance on the field. The same treatment should have applied to Rapinoe. Say and do what you want in your private life. When you bring opinions and actions to work and create a hostile environment, you get fired. Yes but we know what happened there. If your opinions aren't part of the "woke narrative" then you will be fired. If they are you are fine and will be allowed a platform and continued play along with continuing to be allowed to bully your teammates into "caring". That is the thing about the woke agenda you can not care all you want, but their tactics are such that you will be made to care at some point or you will be canceled. Sad state of the world we live in. I don't watch the USWNT due to all the woke political crap. I used to watch them before that, but not anymore. Hopefully USSF will clean house but I doubt it. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 3, 2022 13:07:27 GMT -5
It's the NATIONAL team. You know, playing for your COUNTRY with PATRIOTISM and PRIDE. Don't support it, don't play for it. When you let an outspoken anti-American dominate your locker room and influence weaker minded players, you get conflict. Hope was pushed out partly because of her outspoken nature, despite her strong performance on the field. The same treatment should have applied to Rapinoe. Say and do what you want in your private life. When you bring opinions and actions to work and create a hostile environment, you get fired. Yes but we know what happened there. If your opinions aren't part of the "woke narrative" then you will be fired. If they are you are fine and will be allowed a platform and continued play along with continuing to be allowed to bully your teammates into "caring". That is the thing about the woke agenda you can not care all you want, but their tactics are such that you will be made to care at some point or you will be canceled. Sad state of the world we live in. I don't watch the USWNT due to all the woke political crap. I used to watch them before that, but not anymore. Hopefully USSF will clean house but I doubt it. If you are right about being fired for nor being "woke" enough then why wasn't Carli fired? Oh wait. She was not only not fired, she was MASSIVELY celebrated when she resigned. I am not a fan of Carli though I respect her work ethic and resilience. I just feel like her style of play did not bring what we needed to the national team. But let's not forget that she was estranged from her family for quite some time so maybe she is just not an easy person to get along with??? |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Mar 3, 2022 13:45:26 GMT -5
Yes but we know what happened there. If your opinions aren't part of the "woke narrative" then you will be fired. If they are you are fine and will be allowed a platform and continued play along with continuing to be allowed to bully your teammates into "caring". That is the thing about the woke agenda you can not care all you want, but their tactics are such that you will be made to care at some point or you will be canceled. Sad state of the world we live in. I don't watch the USWNT due to all the woke political crap. I used to watch them before that, but not anymore. Hopefully USSF will clean house but I doubt it. If you are right about being fired for nor being "woke" enough then why wasn't Carli fired? Oh wait. She was not only not fired, she was MASSIVELY celebrated when she resigned. I am not a fan of Carli though I respect her work ethic and resilience. I just feel like her style of play did not bring what we needed to the national team. But let's not forget that she was estranged from her family for quite some time so maybe she is just not an easy person to get along with??? Did she retire really or was she nudged out the door? We will never know. I realize she was past her prime, but who knows if the "wokes' on the team like Rapinoe bullied and talked about her so much that she felt no choice but to retire? Don't underestimate how much looking of the other way on bullying and bad tactics by wokes by media, corporations, USSF, etc... happens. Let us not forget the "mostly peaceful protests" with buildings burning down in the background and people raising money for criminals to get out of jail, and prosecutors dismissing charges, etc.... I know I am talking about bigger issues here, but the USWNT was not immune to those issues. The truth most likely is that the USWNT was much like the Penn University swim team. The powers that be bullied the women on the USWNT to accept "insert woke stance here" the same as the Penn situation where they were told to accept a man on their swim team and to not speak out about it to the point where the ones against it had to speak in condition of anonymity on the issue out of fear of retribution from the school. I would imagine as more women from the USWNT retire more will speak out about the bad culture and bullying that went on. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 3, 2022 18:31:05 GMT -5
If you are right about being fired for nor being "woke" enough then why wasn't Carli fired? Oh wait. She was not only not fired, she was MASSIVELY celebrated when she resigned. I am not a fan of Carli though I respect her work ethic and resilience. I just feel like her style of play did not bring what we needed to the national team. But let's not forget that she was estranged from her family for quite some time so maybe she is just not an easy person to get along with??? Did she retire really or was she nudged out the door? We will never know. I realize she was past her prime, but who knows if the "wokes' on the team like Rapinoe bullied and talked about her so much that she felt no choice but to retire? Don't underestimate how much looking of the other way on bullying and bad tactics by wokes by media, corporations, USSF, etc... happens. Let us not forget the "mostly peaceful protests" with buildings burning down in the background and people raising money for criminals to get out of jail, and prosecutors dismissing charges, etc.... I know I am talking about bigger issues here, but the USWNT was not immune to those issues. The truth most likely is that the USWNT was much like the Penn University swim team. The powers that be bullied the women on the USWNT to accept "insert woke stance here" the same as the Penn situation where they were told to accept a man on their swim team and to not speak out about it to the point where the ones against it had to speak in condition of anonymity on the issue out of fear of retribution from the school. I would imagine as more women from the USWNT retire more will speak out about the bad culture and bullying that went on. Carli is 39 and has been past her prime for a few years. She was a bit player in the 2019 World Cup. She should not have been called in Tokyo. They were going to stop calling her up just like they did to Abby. You can think what you want about Rapinoe (another player whose time has come) but I think you are wrong about her massively bullying the players to accept her "wokeness." Internationally people were kneeling prior to games. High school kids were doing it. I do not condone bullying. If Rapinoe was bullying people then she should be kicked off the team. I just think the culture difference is mainly an age/generational difference. Carli is old enough to be the mom of several players without it even being creepy. She is an old millennial. |
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Post by hotspur1 on Mar 3, 2022 19:29:28 GMT -5
Did she retire really or was she nudged out the door? We will never know. I realize she was past her prime, but who knows if the "wokes' on the team like Rapinoe bullied and talked about her so much that she felt no choice but to retire? Don't underestimate how much looking of the other way on bullying and bad tactics by wokes by media, corporations, USSF, etc... happens. Let us not forget the "mostly peaceful protests" with buildings burning down in the background and people raising money for criminals to get out of jail, and prosecutors dismissing charges, etc.... I know I am talking about bigger issues here, but the USWNT was not immune to those issues. The truth most likely is that the USWNT was much like the Penn University swim team. The powers that be bullied the women on the USWNT to accept "insert woke stance here" the same as the Penn situation where they were told to accept a man on their swim team and to not speak out about it to the point where the ones against it had to speak in condition of anonymity on the issue out of fear of retribution from the school. I would imagine as more women from the USWNT retire more will speak out about the bad culture and bullying that went on. Carli is 39 and has been past her prime for a few years. She was a bit player in the 2019 World Cup. She should not have been called in Tokyo. They were going to stop calling her up just like they did to Abby. You can think what you want about Rapinoe (another player whose time has come) but I think you are wrong about her massively bullying the players to accept her "wokeness." Internationally people were kneeling prior to games. High school kids were doing it. I do not condone bullying. If Rapinoe was bullying people then she should be kicked off the team. I just think the culture difference is mainly an age/generational difference. Carli is old enough to be the mom of several players without it even being creepy. She is an old millennial. As an aside to the bigger debate, you could also easily argue that Rapinoe should have been replaced by younger / better players during that same time period. Personally I don’t think she should have been a starter over the last 5-7 years. But then again I have no problem playing younger players versus faces of a team…. |
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Post by rifle on Mar 3, 2022 20:11:27 GMT -5
As an aside to the bigger debate, you could also easily argue that Rapinoe should have been replaced by younger / better players during that same time period. Personally I don’t think she should have been a starter over the last 5-7 years. But then again I have no problem playing younger players versus faces of a team…. I agree with this. 10-12 years ago I thought Megan was the best American female soccer player. Even after knee surgeries, she still had it. But in the last WC when she won the golden ball (on a bunch of penalties).. I think she shouldn’t have even been on the roster. Turn those spots over to a new generation to help their struggling league build an identity that isn’t about to retire. But that preference is based on soccer not personality or politics. It doesn’t mean I wouldn’t be quite content to take the mouthiest progressive and the mouthiest conservative and show them both the door on principle alone. Parting shot: Perhaps Carli was jealous due to getting less than the most attention. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 3, 2022 22:04:30 GMT -5
I would never ever stop anyone from telling their truth. I have immense respect and love for Carli Lloyd. What she has done for the game, for girls around the world of soccer is for me personally second only to the GOAT Mia Hamm. I have followed Carli's career from college. I cheered her hat-trick in the WC final. I cheered her multiple medals and wc trophies. With all that said, I say a loud and un-ladylike BS. If there is anyone on that team who could have taken on and dealt with any kind of toxicity it's Carli. Her credentials and captaincy gave her the right and the requirement to speak up, call folks out and if need be go public. What really irks me about all of this is not that she's right or wrong, but now that you've been celebrated and won world cups with this same toxic team, when she should have been dropped from the team, at least 3 years ago, you choose to speak up when you're no longer in the locker room and in the line of fire. It's a chicken-shizat move on her part and unbecoming of a ballon d'or and golden ball winner... Next!!!
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Post by rifle on Mar 4, 2022 5:52:50 GMT -5
I would never ever stop anyone from telling their truth. I have immense respect and love for Carli Lloyd. What she has done for the game, for girls around the world of soccer is for me personally second only to the GOAT Mia Hamm. I have followed Carli's career from college. I cheered her hat-trick in the WC final. I cheered her multiple medals and wc trophies. With all that said, I say a loud and un-ladylike BS. If there is anyone on that team who could have taken on and dealt with any kind of toxicity it's Carli. Her credentials and captaincy gave her the right and the requirement to speak up, call folks out and if need be go public. What really irks me about all of this is not that she's right or wrong, but now that you've been celebrated and won world cups with this same toxic team, when she should have been dropped from the team, at least 3 years ago, you choose to speak up when you're no longer in the locker room and in the line of fire. It's a chicken-shizat move on her part and unbecoming of a ballon d'or and golden ball winner... Next!!! Amen. These sour grapes fermented into whine. |
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Post by atv on Mar 4, 2022 7:15:59 GMT -5
The opening monologue by Hope was hard to listen to. Hope’s voice is high and she was talking fast, I literally thought I had accidentally hit 1.5 times on my podcast player speed again. The actual interview was pretty decent. However, I wish they would just move on. Maybe it’s not what they wanted as far as a settlement and their obviously really bitter. However, 2 of the best players in US history and my personal favorite female player ever Hope Solo. I would have much rather listened to them reminisce the good times and talk about what their doing now.
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Post by rudy on Mar 4, 2022 14:14:14 GMT -5
So what I am reading is since they are no longer on the team, one only for a couple months, they should just shut up? Look in the news at all of the lawsuits many of which have just been filed for something that happened 20 plus years ago and in some cases the accused is no longer living. Should they do the same? Everyone can say what the want as it is freedom of speech. It is their life...
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Post by hotspur1 on Mar 4, 2022 17:12:03 GMT -5
So what I am reading is since they are no longer on the team, one only for a couple months, they should just shut up? Look in the news at all of the lawsuits many of which have just been filed for something that happened 20 plus years ago and in some cases the accused is no longer living. Should they do the same? Everyone can say what the want as it is freedom of speech. It is their life... I agree with you in principle. She was a poster child for our country and soccer, she deserves to be heard. That being said, I wish she had the courage to make these statements while she was a key member of our squad. That’s the way to truly drive change, after the fact loses the impact. |
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Post by rifle on Mar 4, 2022 17:20:55 GMT -5
So what I am reading is since they are no longer on the team, one only for a couple months, they should just shut up? Look in the news at all of the lawsuits many of which have just been filed for something that happened 20 plus years ago and in some cases the accused is no longer living. Should they do the same? Everyone can say what the want as it is freedom of speech. It is their life... Not at all. But if you choose to speak out… be courageous. Say something. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 4, 2022 17:31:33 GMT -5
yea --- she is speaking out but being very vague, maybe she has teased it enough, somebody now will pay her to talk?
I don't see how this is going to go away, all the major sports sites picked up the story even with her lack of details. She's clearly an ultra competitor, as that bronze medal is killing her also!
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