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Post by soccerman on May 3, 2022 11:19:42 GMT -5
Strange. If your child is borderline between ECNL/RL and top level SCCL they have assessments during the day AND at night, or for u13/14 AFTER the 'regular' assessments. Bit of a joke. What's wrong with them all being there at the same time and move between groups to get a fair assessment of a kids capability? B/c tryouts are on the same day for everyone. Pretryouts help those who want to try different clubs do that on different days. Also, coaches can extend early offers. HOWEVER ... this sucks for injured players who may not be ready until tryouts Good point re an injury. Would they be able to go to both or are they excluded from ECNL camp because they missed the ID clinic? |
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Post by mightydawg on May 3, 2022 15:39:30 GMT -5
When people talk about teams being "set", they are generally referring to offers being made to players before tryouts begin so that the coach has a core group committed and locked in. The coach will typically keep a few spots open going into tryouts so that the tryouts are not meaningless. The older and the higher level the team, the more spots that have been offered before tryouts.
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on May 3, 2022 15:55:52 GMT -5
I would only reach out prior to the ID clinic if there's something urgent the coach needs to know before the clinic. Or if your kid has to miss the ID clinic for some reason. As for your question about what if the coach already has a player they're happy with at that position - that absolutely should not deter you and I would not ask it before going. Let them see your kid first and decide if he/she is worthy of being on the team and good enough to beat out the current player at that position. To me, you're limiting your options if you're asking that question before the clinic and deciding whether or not to attend based on the answer. Please clarify for me how real the issue of having “your team set” is for coaches. Wouldn’t it be a waste of time for a kid to try out or even join a team if they are offered a spot if the team is “set”, especially at the older age groups? I have seen folks post about “set”ness  on this forum. Why not ask upfront and decide to move on if this is the case. Are coaches honest about this stuff? Inquiring minds need to know… A coach won't offer a spot if his team is truly "set". A team being completely/fully set means they have a full roster. How "set" they are right now, today, can vary widely from team to team. I don't know of any coaches who extend extra offers to ensure they get a full roster. Generally they'll stop offering once they've gotten verbal acceptances of the # of kids they want at the positions they need. |
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Post by bogan on May 3, 2022 16:18:47 GMT -5
“ Are coaches honest about this stuff? Inquiring minds need to know…”
Define honest. What you’ll generally get from a coach is a “come out and let’s see” or an “I can’t tell until s/he scrimmages the current squad.”
What I know from past experience is that the roster was set before tryouts. This may not happen in every case and there is some attrition but don’t expect a direct answer. That’s my experience-results may vary.
(And my experience is limited to boys and I’m talking about U-14+ on high/est level teams).
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Post by mightydawg on May 3, 2022 16:26:43 GMT -5
“ Are coaches honest about this stuff? Inquiring minds need to know…” Define honest. What you’ll generally get from a coach is a “come out and let’s see” or an “I can’t tell until s/he scrimmages the current squad.” What I know from past experience is that the roster was set before tryouts. This may not happen in every case and there is some attrition but don’t expect a direct answer. That’s my experience-results may vary. (And my experience is limited to boys and I’m talking about U-14+). Interesting. I have found that most coaches will offer new players to the club quicker than they offer existing players because they want to get the new player while they think that the existing player has fewer options. |
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Post by bogan on May 3, 2022 16:36:01 GMT -5
“ Are coaches honest about this stuff? Inquiring minds need to know…” Define honest. What you’ll generally get from a coach is a “come out and let’s see” or an “I can’t tell until s/he scrimmages the current squad.” What I know from past experience is that the roster was set before tryouts. This may not happen in every case and there is some attrition but don’t expect a direct answer. That’s my experience-results may vary. (And my experience is limited to boys and I’m talking about U-14+). Interesting. I have found that most coaches will offer new players to the club quicker than they offer existing players because they want to get the new player while they think that the existing player has fewer options. Yes-but I think we are talking about different things-we have been offered a position at another club…but it wasn’t at tryouts/ID/pre ID… |
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Post by roki12 on May 3, 2022 16:58:11 GMT -5
“ Are coaches honest about this stuff? Inquiring minds need to know…” Define honest. What you’ll generally get from a coach is a “come out and let’s see” or an “I can’t tell until s/he scrimmages the current squad.” What I know from past experience is that the roster was set before tryouts. This may not happen in every case and there is some attrition but don’t expect a direct answer. That’s my experience-results may vary. (And my experience is limited to boys and I’m talking about U-14+). Interesting. I have found that most coaches will offer new players to the club quicker than they offer existing players because they want to get the new player while they think that the existing player has fewer options. I see NASA just posted that their ID clinic is open to all players outside the club but invite only to its own players…. |
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Post by soccer888 on May 3, 2022 18:22:51 GMT -5
Why does NASA have a typical ECNL/ECNLR ID session for boys but no GA/DPL ID for girls? The pre-tryout camp for girls is $159 and usually crowded with varying levels of talent. Is the answer just "because they can"?
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Post by interestedspectator on May 4, 2022 5:55:29 GMT -5
All about the money on the girls side!!!
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Post by flix on May 4, 2022 6:21:11 GMT -5
Why does NASA have a typical ECNL/ECNLR ID session for boys but no GA/DPL ID for girls? The pre-tryout camp for girls is $159 and usually crowded with varying levels of talent. Is the answer just "because they can"? I think boys have more options. Girls it appears only have two options: Concorde and Tophat. If Tophat just had “open” tryouts for free, it would be pandemonium and people would complain about various issues. The fact that they are charging is going to turn some people off, which is the intent. It’s not surprising the camp is usually crowded with various levels of talent because that’s the real world, every classroom has students with various levels of intelligence. One other thing is parents need to stop putting unfounded limitations on kids. Let them go tryout and see what happens. |
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Post by atlantasoccerdad2020 on May 4, 2022 8:40:11 GMT -5
Why does NASA have a typical ECNL/ECNLR ID session for boys but no GA/DPL ID for girls? The pre-tryout camp for girls is $159 and usually crowded with varying levels of talent. Is the answer just "because they can"? Talk about a money grab. When does this $159 tryout take place? |
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 4, 2022 8:49:59 GMT -5
Keep in mind if your club doesn't charge for these pre-tyouts camps, the fees are probably baked into your registration fees already, so you are most likely paying.....
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Post by atlantasoccerdad2020 on May 4, 2022 9:01:16 GMT -5
Keep in mind if your club doesn't charge for these pre-tyouts camps, the fees are probably baked into your registration fees already, so you are most likely paying..... Registration fees of players that are actually in the club versus hundreds of players who want to be at the mighty tophat only to be told spots are available on the 4th team or lower for a majority of the players. Yeah it’s not the same more like a one day camp fee. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 4, 2022 10:21:46 GMT -5
Keep in mind if your club doesn't charge for these pre-tyouts camps, the fees are probably baked into your registration fees already, so you are most likely paying..... Registration fees of players that are actually in the club versus hundreds of players who want to be at the mighty tophat only to be told spots are available on the 4th team or lower for a majority of the players. Yeah it’s not the same more like a one day camp fee. Agreed it is not the same. As the parent of kids who have spent some of their time at Tophat, that pre-tryout camp is not an ID camp for the U13 and up. It is solely to train to be "ready" for tryouts and the top team players are not there. None of the Gold and few of the Navy kids go. My kid did not go. It is not the same as an ID camp. Don't go unless you want to be SCCL or lower and want to meet the coaches. |
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 4, 2022 11:59:15 GMT -5
Registration fees of players that are actually in the club versus hundreds of players who want to be at the mighty tophat only to be told spots are available on the 4th team or lower for a majority of the players. Yeah it’s not the same more like a one day camp fee. Agreed it is not the same. As the parent of kids who have spent some of their time at Tophat, that pre-tryout camp is not an ID camp for the U13 and up. It is solely to train to be "ready" for tryouts and the top team players are not there. None of the Gold and few of the Navy kids go. My kid did not go. It is not the same as an ID camp. Don't go unless you want to be SCCL or lower and want to meet the coaches. So, if it isn't an ID camp, how do they identify/target possible players they would like to come to Tophat?? Just about all the other programs, big and small have some sort of session so the coaches can pitch the value of the club to potential players. Please share your knowledge having spent some time there... we are interested but would like to know how to get in front of coaches. |
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Post by lovetokickit on May 4, 2022 12:28:28 GMT -5
Agreed it is not the same. As the parent of kids who have spent some of their time at Tophat, that pre-tryout camp is not an ID camp for the U13 and up. It is solely to train to be "ready" for tryouts and the top team players are not there. None of the Gold and few of the Navy kids go. My kid did not go. It is not the same as an ID camp. Don't go unless you want to be SCCL or lower and want to meet the coaches. So, if it isn't an ID camp, ho w do they identify/target possible players they would like to come to Tophat?? Just about all the other programs, big and small have some sort of session so the coaches can pitch the value of the club to potential players. Please share your knowledge having spent some time their... we are interested but would like to know how to get in front of coaches. Go to the session. It is a camp, rather than an ID session where they do skills sessions and small-sided games + a little fitness too. Just tell your kid to do their best. If they go to the pre tryout camp + tryouts, and they do well at both, there's a good chance they'll get noticed. Also this is a good time to talk to/ask the coaches what their assessment is of your kid. You can get a realistic opinion and go from there... Last year, current team members were "encouraged" to attend. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 4, 2022 12:34:30 GMT -5
Agreed it is not the same. As the parent of kids who have spent some of their time at Tophat, that pre-tryout camp is not an ID camp for the U13 and up. It is solely to train to be "ready" for tryouts and the top team players are not there. None of the Gold and few of the Navy kids go. My kid did not go. It is not the same as an ID camp. Don't go unless you want to be SCCL or lower and want to meet the coaches. So, if it isn't an ID camp, ho w do they identify/target possible players they would like to come to Tophat?? Just about all the other programs, big and small have some sort of session so the coaches can pitch the value of the club to potential players. Please share your knowledge having spent some time their... we are interested but would like to know how to get in front of coaches. If you are looking for GA/DPL I would contact the coaches of the teams and attend training sessions prior to the tryouts. There were a few kids that did that with our team last year. |
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Post by messindreams on May 4, 2022 14:52:39 GMT -5
Agree with Oracle but I don't think Tophat published coaching list.
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Post by footballqueen on May 4, 2022 21:25:50 GMT -5
Reach out to current coach and ask to come to a session. Most teams are back to training with full squads as they prepare for nationals, showcases, and end of season tournaments.
It will probably be better anyways as your kid will get to train with the current team. Coaches usually work together to funnel players to the appropriate session from my experience. I’ve seen quite a few players from outside of the club already training at UFA & TH. I’m sure it’s like that at most clubs right now.
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Post by atlantasoccerdad2020 on May 5, 2022 8:00:57 GMT -5
Reach out to current coach and ask to come to a session. Most teams are back to training with full squads as they prepare for nationals, showcases, and end of season tournaments. It will probably be better anyways as your kid will get to train with the current team. Coaches usually work together to funnel players to the appropriate session from my experience. I’ve seen quite a few players from outside of the club already training at UFA & TH. I’m sure it’s like that at most clubs right now. I hope you have kids at both UFA and TH or else it would be kind of creepy to be stalking minors. |
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Post by weluvsoccer on May 5, 2022 8:28:43 GMT -5
No question, it's that time of year -- teams have kids coming in for training sessions all the time over the next few weeks. For older teams, I always encourage kids to reach out to coaches and try to attend another teams training session. It's happening all over the place, and it's much better than just showing up at tryouts.
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Post by footballqueen on May 5, 2022 9:06:45 GMT -5
Reach out to current coach and ask to come to a session. Most teams are back to training with full squads as they prepare for nationals, showcases, and end of season tournaments. It will probably be better anyways as your kid will get to train with the current team. Coaches usually work together to funnel players to the appropriate session from my experience. I’ve seen quite a few players from outside of the club already training at UFA & TH. I’m sure it’s like that at most clubs right now. I hope you have kids at both UFA and TH or else it would be kind of creepy to be stalking minors. I do have a kid at one of those clubs. You sound kind of bitter making comments like that |
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Post by misssocceratl on May 5, 2022 9:40:33 GMT -5
I hope you have kids at both UFA and TH or else it would be kind of creepy to be stalking minors. I do have a kid at one of those clubs. You sound kind of bitter making comments like that I think he is just saying it would be odd to be watching kids at other clubs if you didn’t have one there. Bitter seems like an odd adjective to use for this scenario. |
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Post by footballqueen on May 5, 2022 10:18:04 GMT -5
I do have a kid at one of those clubs. You sound kind of bitter making comments like that I think he is just saying it would be odd to be watching kids at other clubs if you didn’t have one there. Bitter seems like an odd adjective to use for this scenario. What’s odd is making a dumb comment about someone potentially stalking minors when the post was to help others connect with coaches based on my experience with my kid. Nice of you to defend him though |
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Post by jogabonito1 on May 5, 2022 10:40:09 GMT -5
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 5, 2022 10:57:37 GMT -5
Reach out to current coach and ask to come to a session. Most teams are back to training with full squads as they prepare for nationals, showcases, and end of season tournaments. It will probably be better anyways as your kid will get to train with the current team. Coaches usually work together to funnel players to the appropriate session from my experience. I’ve seen quite a few players from outside of the club already training at UFA & TH. I’m sure it’s like that at most clubs right now. I hope you have kids at both UFA and TH or else it would be kind of creepy to be stalking minors. It is not stalking minors to watch the sessions of clubs that you are interested in having your kid join. If you have been around a while then you know who plays where and can tell when someone from a different club is at a training session if the different shirt doesn't give it away... |
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Post by atlantasoccerdad2020 on May 5, 2022 11:02:20 GMT -5
I hope you have kids at both UFA and TH or else it would be kind of creepy to be stalking minors. It is not stalking minors to watch the sessions of clubs that you are interested in having your kid join. If you have been around a while then you know who plays where and can tell when someone from a different club is at a training session if the different shirt doesn't give it away... Valid point. To the other persons response no I’m not bitter no reason to be. |
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Post by misssocceratl on May 5, 2022 12:23:34 GMT -5
I think he is just saying it would be odd to be watching kids at other clubs if you didn’t have one there. Bitter seems like an odd adjective to use for this scenario. What’s odd is making a dumb comment about someone potentially stalking minors when the post was to help others connect with coaches based on my experience with my kid. Nice of you to defend him though I wasn’t really defending him, I was just saying that he said it was odd. I didn’t agree or disagree. And that I didn’t think bitter was the right adjective. The level of reading comprehension in this forum is incredible. This is a forum. So, people partake in discussion. I’m sorry you’re so offended. |
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Post by dabe on May 6, 2022 14:50:38 GMT -5
No question, it's that time of year -- teams have kids coming in for training sessions all the time over the next few weeks. For older teams, I always encourage kids to reach out to coaches and try to attend another teams training session. It's happening all over the place, and it's much better than just showing up at tryouts. What would the email look like? "I am interested in your team and would like to come to a training session before tryouts?" I have never heard of going to training sessions early outside of your own club. My kids just show up at tryouts and/or ID Camps for the teams they're interested in. It seems a little awkward to throw your kid at a coach beforehand when they could go to tryouts like everyone else. If a coach reaches out that's a different story. Is it all based on who you know? I mean how do the coaches even choose which kids they let come to training sessions? I'm definitely not involved in the politics of soccer so this is very intriguing to me. Things are taken as rude or snarky here at times. Not my intent with this. |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on May 6, 2022 15:23:39 GMT -5
No question, it's that time of year -- teams have kids coming in for training sessions all the time over the next few weeks. For older teams, I always encourage kids to reach out to coaches and try to attend another teams training session. It's happening all over the place, and it's much better than just showing up at tryouts. What would the email look like? "I am interested in your team and would like to come to a training session before tryouts?" I have never heard of going to training sessions early outside of your own club. My kids just show up at tryouts and/or ID Camps for the teams they're interested in. It seems a little awkward to throw your kid at a coach beforehand when they could go to tryouts like everyone else. If a coach reaches out that's a different story. Is it all based on who you know? I mean how do the coaches even choose which kids they let come to training sessions? I'm definitely not involved in the politics of soccer so this is very intriguing to me. Things are taken as rude or snarky here at times. Not my intent with this. That's absolutely what you do (referring to the quote in your first line). The nice thing about ID camps is that they can see your kid play and then invite them to those training sessions after if they're interested. One thing I learned a while back when it comes to club soccer - don't be afraid to advocate for your kid. You're basically like they're agent. Don't wait for tryouts to be the first time a club/coach sees your kid unless they're Academy age. U13 or higher - you want to get your kid in front of the coaches before tryouts. |
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on this forum. Why not ask upfront and decide to move on if this is the case. Are coaches honest about this stuff? Inquiring minds need to know…
