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Post by oraclesfriend on May 18, 2022 13:59:17 GMT -5
What he is saying is that if you are trying to make ECNL, for example, the top 20% of ECNL Regional league (1 level below where you want to be) are as good as if not better than the bottom 20% of ECNL teams (level that you want to be). Agree with this. Also in the same vein, I would venture to say that the top 30-40% of any given ECRL roster is basically interchangeable with the bottom 30-40% of the ECNL roster at that same club, with some exceptions. Same with SCCL to ECRL, etc. That seems to be true even in academy ages. There is a bigger difference between best and worst on same team than there is between worst on top and best on second. Always been true. |
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Post by sailingaway on May 18, 2022 14:11:01 GMT -5
What he is saying is that if you are trying to make ECNL, for example, the top 20% of ECNL Regional league (1 level below where you want to be) are as good as if not better than the bottom 20% of ECNL teams (level that you want to be). Agree with this. Also in the same vein, I would venture to say that the top 30-40% of any given ECRL roster is basically interchangeable with the bottom 30-40% of the ECNL roster at that same club, with some exceptions. Same with SCCL to ECRL, etc. That would depend on the depth of the club. Some clubs drop off HARD after their 2nd team. Some drop hard after their FIRST. Size matters. |
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Post by beendoingthislonger on May 18, 2022 20:23:04 GMT -5
Some advice….if your child is good enough they will be found! If they are not…..they need to be training at home, juggling every day for an hour, running sprints every other day, foundation drills almost every day as the coaches in ECNL expect that and don’t teach this stuff. If your child doesn’t like doing the extra I suggest finding a red team and playing for fun or multiple sports. Sorry #truth
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Post by newposter on May 18, 2022 21:40:30 GMT -5
Great point about the 20% (really 2 kids maybe 3 of the bottom roster are who a coach looks to replace for improvement as a whole. At the older ages, these players may get 10 minutes a half but they need to be a productive 10 minutes meaning when they play, they can hold their own and not give up goals. It happens...
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Post by youthsoccerdad on May 19, 2022 7:41:22 GMT -5
Some advice….if your child is good enough they will be found! If they are not…..they need to be training at home, juggling every day for an hour, running sprints every other day, foundation drills almost every day as the coaches in ECNL expect that and don’t teach this stuff. If your child doesn’t like doing the extra I suggest finding a red team and playing for fun or multiple sports. Sorry #truth Hopefully, all the kids are playing for fun (including ECNL kids) |
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Post by roki12 on May 21, 2022 12:07:49 GMT -5
My biggest gripe is that tryouts are pointless except to fill the lower level teams. Since this is the case why not look at ways to make the process better overall and less stressful for the kids and parents? Why pretend that tryouts are next week when they’ve been happening all month if not earlier?
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Post by messindreams on May 21, 2022 12:21:10 GMT -5
My biggest gripe is that tryouts are pointless except to fill the lower level teams. Since this is the case why not look at ways to make the process better overall and less stressful for the kids and parents? Why pretend that tryouts are next week when they’ve been happening all month if not earlier? It has been that way for a while but we all realize on our own timeline. If your coach didn't give you clear indication by now then you need to keep your options open. Top teams are mostly set. I know few kids that have been practicing with different teams since May 1st (official recruitment date). Unfortunately, coaches/clubs don't know who they can count on either, hence the delay, secrecy causing this mess. One or two kids' decision on top team can hold up causing trickle down effect. This mess is here to stay. |
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Post by dabe on May 21, 2022 12:26:31 GMT -5
My biggest gripe is that tryouts are pointless except to fill the lower level teams. Since this is the case why not look at ways to make the process better overall and less stressful for the kids and parents? Why pretend that tryouts are next week when they’ve been happening all month if not earlier? It has been that way for a while but we all realize on our own timeline. If your coach didn't give you clear indication by now then you need to keep your options open. Top teams are mostly set. I know few kids that have been practicing with different teams since May 1st (official recruitment date). Unfortunately, coaches/clubs don't know who they can count on either, hence the delay, secrecy causing this mess. One or two kids' decision on top team can hold up causing trickle down effect. This mess is here to stay. We just figured out this year that you can attend training sessions beforehand. I think it's kind of weird. My first thought when I heard about it was that it's got to be disruptive to current team members. Has to isolate the new comers as well. No kid wants to include the new kid looking to take their spot...you can't blame them. You can't blame the new kid for wanting to take the opportunity either. It's messy. It should all be left on the field at tryouts. |
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Post by misssocceratl on May 21, 2022 15:27:43 GMT -5
It has been that way for a while but we all realize on our own timeline. If your coach didn't give you clear indication by now then you need to keep your options open. Top teams are mostly set. I know few kids that have been practicing with different teams since May 1st (official recruitment date). Unfortunately, coaches/clubs don't know who they can count on either, hence the delay, secrecy causing this mess. One or two kids' decision on top team can hold up causing trickle down effect. This mess is here to stay. We just figured out this year that you can attend training sessions beforehand. I think it's kind of weird. My first thought when I heard about it was that it's got to be disruptive to current team members. Has to isolate the new comers as well. No kid wants to include the new kid looking to take their spot...you can't blame them. You can't blame the new kid for wanting to take the opportunity either. It's messy. It should all be left on the field at tryouts. It can be disruptive but also part of high level sports. You should always have the mentality that someone is coming to take your spot…keep working…(in life in general, not just sports). What’s sad is that some kids are penalized for doing so (lose their spot on current team, asked not to come back, no playing time). When is there a point where the league holds clubs and coaches accountable for this behavior? And then, there’s some people who use it for negotiating with current club. “So and so was at X training”, word gets around and then Mommy and Daddy use it to get their way with current coach. 🤷🏼♀️ |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 26, 2022 3:18:39 GMT -5
We just figured out this year that you can attend training sessions beforehand. I think it's kind of weird. My first thought when I heard about it was that it's got to be disruptive to current team members. Has to isolate the new comers as well. No kid wants to include the new kid looking to take their spot...you can't blame them. You can't blame the new kid for wanting to take the opportunity either. It's messy. It should all be left on the field at tryouts. Yes it is very stressful on some of the players. Players fall into one of three categories. The top players who are already offered a chance to return have nothing to worry about. The bubble players can use this opportunity to thwart any potential player by showing the coach that they should be retained. The last group are the ones that I feel for the most. They already know or have been told by the coaches that they will not have a spot. As difficult as it is on all parties(we are talking about kids), I think it is still better than a 1/2/3 day tryout when you may or may not have a chance to be seen or truly evaluated. Especially when the team is already mostly picked. side note: you want to talk about disruptive, imagine being at a club like AU where this occurs almost weekly throughout the entire season... |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 26, 2022 3:26:32 GMT -5
What he is saying is that if you are trying to make ECNL, for example, the top 20% of ECNL Regional league (1 level below where you want to be) are as good as if not better than the bottom 20% of ECNL teams (level that you want to be). So true, but I'll add a caveat. I am a firm believer that the percentage drops precipitously the further along the season goes, especially if you're a player who was cut and drops to the lower level. The other factor that many can't replicate is the speed of the game. Using the analogy above, the speed of the players, training, games, etc. on an ECNL team, is much faster than that of a typical ECRL team. You have to find ways to replicate that if you want to make it on to an ECNL team. Spend time training with older kids, if you're a girl, play with boys, if you can, ask for opportunities to play/train with the current ECNL team if possible... |
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