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Post by Soccerhouse on May 12, 2022 8:25:16 GMT -5
So not calling anyone out, but in the twitterverse, I saw some comments from coaches expressing how they dislike this time of the year.
I agree, but you can make it easy on yourself and everyone.
I'm focusing on the 13+ age group here:
You have coached your kids the entire year, by now all player feedback should have been received and they should have had multiple player evaluations by now.
I've seen/heard it to often, coach waits to cut the kid and then on the phone tells the player all the negatives on why they weren't retained etc....
So make it easy -- communicate with your players:
It's May, every kid on your roster should know their status for next season.
and by status I mean:
* they have received a real player evaluation
* they know if they are lock to make the team and are in the top 1/3rd and you have already offered them a spot
* they know they are in the middle 1/3rd the team roster right now, and you fully expect they will be back on the team and consider them a valuable asset to the team. It's possible that 10 superstars show up at tryouts, but that is usually highly doubtful, so your position is mostly likely safe and I dont' think you need to tryout elsewhere.
* your currently in the bottom 1/3rd of the roster. At this point this should be obvious as well, we have met and discussed your player evaluation and your playing time is much less than the other players on the team. You only play 15-25 minutes a game and are mostly used a substitute. There is a chance you will remain on the roster if you continue to work hard and improve, but I can't guarantee this.
* the last group -- the kids that have no chance making the roster next season -- DO NOT WAIT UNTIL DAY 3 OF TRYOUTS TO TELL THEM THIS INFORMATION. IF YOU DO, YOU FAILED AS A COACH AND A LEADER OF YOUNG PEOPLE. maybe this is controversial, but I beg you "DON'T BE THAT COACH"
communicate communicate communicate and be honest. I tell kids/families all the time, grass ain't always greener on the top team, enjoy your pathway, that pathway might be being a leader the top player on a 2nd team, nothing wrong with that. It's youth soccer, it's not a professional league.
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Post by bogan on May 12, 2022 8:29:14 GMT -5
So not calling anyone out, but in the twitterverse, I saw some comments from coaches expressing how they dislike this time of the year. I agree, but you can make it easy on yourself and everyone. I'm focusing on the 13+ age group here: You have coached your kids the entire year, by now all player feedback should have been received and they should have had multiple player evaluations by now. I've seen/heard it to often, coach waits to cut the kid and then on the phone tells the player all the negatives on why they weren't retained etc.... So make it easy -- communicate with your players: It's May, every kid on your roster should know their status for next season. and by status I mean: * they have received a real player evaluation * they know if they are lock to make the team and are in the top 1/3rd and you have already offered them a spot * they know they are in the middle 1/3rd the team roster right now, and you fully expect they will be back on the team and consider them a valuable asset to the team. It's possible that 10 superstars show up at tryouts, but that is usually highly doubtful, so your position is mostly likely safe and I dont' think you need to tryout elsewhere. * your currently in the bottom 1/3rd of the roster. At this point this should be obvious as well, we have met and discussed your player evaluation and your playing time is much less than the other players on the team. You only play 15-25 minutes a game and are mostly used a substitute. There is a chance you will remain on the roster if you continue to work hard and improve, but I can't guarantee this. * the last group -- the kids that have no chance making the roster next season -- DO NOT WAIT UNTIL DAY 3 OF TRYOUTS TO TELL THEM THIS INFORMATION. IF YOU DO, YOU FAILED AS A COACH AND A LEADER OF YOUNG PEOPLE. maybe this is controversial, but I beg you "DON'T BE THAT COACH" communicate communicate communicate and be honest. I tell kids/families all the time, grass ain't always greener on the top team, enjoy your pathway, that pathway might be being a leader the top player on a 2nd team, nothing wrong with that. It's youth soccer, it's not a professional league. If only… |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on May 12, 2022 8:33:12 GMT -5
Completely agree.
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Post by notcrazysoccerdad on May 12, 2022 8:45:29 GMT -5
Utopia.
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Post by dabe on May 12, 2022 9:11:44 GMT -5
Why aren't things done this way? Are coaches just stringing players along in case they may need them?
Another note: Parents/players should be telling coaches if they are seriously considering other clubs especially if they are in the top 2 groups.
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Post by coffee on May 12, 2022 9:12:54 GMT -5
Evaluations? You mean something more formal than the occasional fist bump, or humiliating screams from the sidelines?
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Post by mightydawg on May 12, 2022 9:13:01 GMT -5
So not calling anyone out, but in the twitterverse, I saw some comments from coaches expressing how they dislike this time of the year. I agree, but you can make it easy on yourself and everyone. I'm focusing on the 13+ age group here: You have coached your kids the entire year, by now all player feedback should have been received and they should have had multiple player evaluations by now. I've seen/heard it to often, coach waits to cut the kid and then on the phone tells the player all the negatives on why they weren't retained etc.... So make it easy -- communicate with your players: It's May, every kid on your roster should know their status for next season. and by status I mean: * they have received a real player evaluation * they know if they are lock to make the team and are in the top 1/3rd and you have already offered them a spot * they know they are in the middle 1/3rd the team roster right now, and you fully expect they will be back on the team and consider them a valuable asset to the team. It's possible that 10 superstars show up at tryouts, but that is usually highly doubtful, so your position is mostly likely safe and I dont' think you need to tryout elsewhere. * your currently in the bottom 1/3rd of the roster. At this point this should be obvious as well, we have met and discussed your player evaluation and your playing time is much less than the other players on the team. You only play 15-25 minutes a game and are mostly used a substitute. There is a chance you will remain on the roster if you continue to work hard and improve, but I can't guarantee this. * the last group -- the kids that have no chance making the roster next season -- DO NOT WAIT UNTIL DAY 3 OF TRYOUTS TO TELL THEM THIS INFORMATION. IF YOU DO, YOU FAILED AS A COACH AND A LEADER OF YOUNG PEOPLE. maybe this is controversial, but I beg you "DON'T BE THAT COACH" communicate communicate communicate and be honest. I tell kids/families all the time, grass ain't always greener on the top team, enjoy your pathway, that pathway might be being a leader the top player on a 2nd team, nothing wrong with that. It's youth soccer, it's not a professional league. Have you ever found this? Any where? This is without a doubt the way that it should be done but I have yet to find a coach or a club who does it. |
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Post by allthingsoccer on May 12, 2022 9:24:07 GMT -5
I know of one coach that has done this in my 22 years as a parent of club players.
THIS IS A COACHES RESPONSIBILITY!! THIS IS PART OF DEVELOPMENT!
DCs should make this mandatory. We as parents should make this mandatory.
I know AU does reviews every 6-8 weeks in the program. Mostly direct with the player but parents are welcome.
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Post by fgug on May 12, 2022 11:16:05 GMT -5
The process is tortuous for so many. I couldn’t agree more with these statements, but unfortunately, coaches and clubs have no incentive to be transparent.
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Post by disturbed on May 12, 2022 13:15:45 GMT -5
So not calling anyone out, but in the twitterverse, I saw some comments from coaches expressing how they dislike this time of the year. I agree, but you can make it easy on yourself and everyone. I'm focusing on the 13+ age group here: You have coached your kids the entire year, by now all player feedback should have been received and they should have had multiple player evaluations by now. I've seen/heard it to often, coach waits to cut the kid and then on the phone tells the player all the negatives on why they weren't retained etc.... So make it easy -- communicate with your players: It's May, every kid on your roster should know their status for next season. and by status I mean: * they have received a real player evaluation * they know if they are lock to make the team and are in the top 1/3rd and you have already offered them a spot * they know they are in the middle 1/3rd the team roster right now, and you fully expect they will be back on the team and consider them a valuable asset to the team. It's possible that 10 superstars show up at tryouts, but that is usually highly doubtful, so your position is mostly likely safe and I dont' think you need to tryout elsewhere. * your currently in the bottom 1/3rd of the roster. At this point this should be obvious as well, we have met and discussed your player evaluation and your playing time is much less than the other players on the team. You only play 15-25 minutes a game and are mostly used a substitute. There is a chance you will remain on the roster if you continue to work hard and improve, but I can't guarantee this. * the last group -- the kids that have no chance making the roster next season -- DO NOT WAIT UNTIL DAY 3 OF TRYOUTS TO TELL THEM THIS INFORMATION. IF YOU DO, YOU FAILED AS A COACH AND A LEADER OF YOUNG PEOPLE. maybe this is controversial, but I beg you "DON'T BE THAT COACH" communicate communicate communicate and be honest. I tell kids/families all the time, grass ain't always greener on the top team, enjoy your pathway, that pathway might be being a leader the top player on a 2nd team, nothing wrong with that. It's youth soccer, it's not a professional league. So, do you mean UFA... atleast on the girls side. They do all of the above! |
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Post by GeorgiaSoccerMom on May 12, 2022 15:28:02 GMT -5
So not calling anyone out, but in the twitterverse, I saw some comments from coaches expressing how they dislike this time of the year. I agree, but you can make it easy on yourself and everyone. I'm focusing on the 13+ age group here: You have coached your kids the entire year, by now all player feedback should have been received and they should have had multiple player evaluations by now. I've seen/heard it to often, coach waits to cut the kid and then on the phone tells the player all the negatives on why they weren't retained etc.... So make it easy -- communicate with your players: It's May, every kid on your roster should know their status for next season. and by status I mean: * they have received a real player evaluation * they know if they are lock to make the team and are in the top 1/3rd and you have already offered them a spot * they know they are in the middle 1/3rd the team roster right now, and you fully expect they will be back on the team and consider them a valuable asset to the team. It's possible that 10 superstars show up at tryouts, but that is usually highly doubtful, so your position is mostly likely safe and I dont' think you need to tryout elsewhere. * your currently in the bottom 1/3rd of the roster. At this point this should be obvious as well, we have met and discussed your player evaluation and your playing time is much less than the other players on the team. You only play 15-25 minutes a game and are mostly used a substitute. There is a chance you will remain on the roster if you continue to work hard and improve, but I can't guarantee this. * the last group -- the kids that have no chance making the roster next season -- DO NOT WAIT UNTIL DAY 3 OF TRYOUTS TO TELL THEM THIS INFORMATION. IF YOU DO, YOU FAILED AS A COACH AND A LEADER OF YOUNG PEOPLE. maybe this is controversial, but I beg you "DON'T BE THAT COACH" communicate communicate communicate and be honest. I tell kids/families all the time, grass ain't always greener on the top team, enjoy your pathway, that pathway might be being a leader the top player on a 2nd team, nothing wrong with that. It's youth soccer, it's not a professional league. We have been at a big name club and only in the first season my daughter was there did she get official feedback. The feedback was great. Ever since we have had to drag information out of the coaches. She has had a different coach for the last 3 seasons but has been climbing in the ranks of teams. That said, in the same club there was a coach that waited until half way through the 3rd day to tell a few girls he is not taking… which by default put them on the lowest team. Not a good way to coach in my opinion. It’s difficult because coaches need to solidify their team and kids need to be appropriately placed so they can grow. Of course some parents (like me) are clueless to the politics or the unwritten rules of how to help their kids get placed. All that aside, what has worked best for my daughter is her asking what she can be working on about every 3-4 months and that has served her well in progressing and getting feedback. If not, it would be fist bumps and high fives. |
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Post by BubbleDad on May 12, 2022 16:37:22 GMT -5
I've said the same thing in another thread and it was dismissed. When my daughter went to the UNC college bound camp, she received a thorough evaluation that included her 12 point juggling, technical, tactical and mental (coachability, team work, leadership...) capabilities.
When bringing this info to a lot of trainers, they don't want to hear it and don't have individualized planned, measurable systems in place when it comes to each client so your kid is in this endless unmeasured training hamster wheel.
Toca can but it's nothing like training on a real goal and field.
I suggest give your coach an assessment to fill out. We did and he happily completed.
Look for the Beast Mode Soccer IDP which helps families and players hone in on what the player should work on, set goals and a measurable training schedule. Find a trainer that will work with you based on these things.
We have to take our power back and hold these mugs accountable. I refuse to pay another trainer that doesn't have an individualized plan for my child.
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Post by greenmonkey on May 13, 2022 8:34:19 GMT -5
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So, do you mean UFA... atleast on the girls side. They do all of the above![/quote]
If you are lucky enough to have had Gil or Alan at Forsyth or Alex and Sam at Norcross ABSOLUTELY but there are just as many coaches at UFA that do not. I think the point is why must we be “lucky enough” to get a coach that makes this a priority versus it being a club or coaching standard?
I think regardless of club (not just UFA, I know parents and players all over the the clubs and playing levels CF, TH, GSA, AFU, SSA and in states OH, MI, WI, NC, SC, FL, CA, AZ) every league or playing level it’s the inconsistency of evaluations AND both individual and team development plans that is frustrating for too many parents and players.
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Post by rifle on May 13, 2022 12:13:29 GMT -5
If you are lucky enough to have had Gil or Alan at Forsyth or Alex and Sam at Norcross ABSOLUTELY but there are just as many coaches at UFA that do not. I think the point is why must we be “lucky enough” to get a coach that makes this a priority versus it being a club or coaching standard? I think regardless of club (not just UFA, I know parents and players all over the the clubs and playing levels CF, TH, GSA, AFU, SSA and in states OH, MI, WI, NC, SC, FL, CA, AZ) every league or playing level it’s the inconsistency of evaluations AND both individual and team development plans that is frustrating for too many parents and players. This seems like the kind of thing that US Club could mandate for participation in their programs. They’ve already stormed the castle and pushed state run programs aside and they are “players first”.. right? Seems like something focused on player rather than wallet development might be a tangible improvement. |
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Post by Oceanready on May 13, 2022 12:19:51 GMT -5
So not calling anyone out, but in the twitterverse, I saw some comments from coaches expressing how they dislike this time of the year. I agree, but you can make it easy on yourself and everyone. I'm focusing on the 13+ age group here: You have coached your kids the entire year, by now all player feedback should have been received and they should have had multiple player evaluations by now. I've seen/heard it to often, coach waits to cut the kid and then on the phone tells the player all the negatives on why they weren't retained etc.... So make it easy -- communicate with your players: It's May, every kid on your roster should know their status for next season. and by status I mean: * they have received a real player evaluation * they know if they are lock to make the team and are in the top 1/3rd and you have already offered them a spot * they know they are in the middle 1/3rd the team roster right now, and you fully expect they will be back on the team and consider them a valuable asset to the team. It's possible that 10 superstars show up at tryouts, but that is usually highly doubtful, so your position is mostly likely safe and I dont' think you need to tryout elsewhere. * your currently in the bottom 1/3rd of the roster. At this point this should be obvious as well, we have met and discussed your player evaluation and your playing time is much less than the other players on the team. You only play 15-25 minutes a game and are mostly used a substitute. There is a chance you will remain on the roster if you continue to work hard and improve, but I can't guarantee this. * the last group -- the kids that have no chance making the roster next season -- DO NOT WAIT UNTIL DAY 3 OF TRYOUTS TO TELL THEM THIS INFORMATION. IF YOU DO, YOU FAILED AS A COACH AND A LEADER OF YOUNG PEOPLE. maybe this is controversial, but I beg you "DON'T BE THAT COACH" communicate communicate communicate and be honest. I tell kids/families all the time, grass ain't always greener on the top team, enjoy your pathway, that pathway might be being a leader the top player on a 2nd team, nothing wrong with that. It's youth soccer, it's not a professional league. If only… Communication is key and excellent points especially “enjoy your pathway”, as every player has his/her own path. I have also heard coaches say that this is the most stressful time of year, but it really doesn’t have to be that complicated. |
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Post by soccerluv on May 13, 2022 23:06:07 GMT -5
Would it be best to be honest with our coach that we are trying out at another club? We are planning on skipping the second tryout date to tryout at another club, but I have heard of other players being penalized for doing just that. I don’t want to lie to him about our reason for missing. We do want to stay at the current club, but it looks like there will be a lot of movement, and I’d like to keep our options open.
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Post by dabe on May 14, 2022 4:19:04 GMT -5
Would it be best to be honest with our coach that we are trying out at another club? We are planning on skipping the second tryout date to tryout at another club, but I have heard of other players being penalized for doing just that. I don’t want to lie to him about our reason for missing. We do want to stay at the current club, but it looks like there will be a lot of movement, and I’d like to keep our options open. Biggest question, if offered a spot on the other team would your kid take it? Yes? Then absolutely let current coach know. Coaches deserve to know what they need to look for at tryouts. For older players they probably have a runner-up already. No and it's just for the experience? That's up to you. I personally would, but that's just me. If coach is sending signals that your kid will be punished for trying out at a different club, then I would recommend against it for your kid's sake. I would also recommend that you leave the team with no regrets. Huge red flag. Great coaches want the best for their players no matter where they play. |
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Post by atlsoccer123 on May 14, 2022 19:54:30 GMT -5
"Great coaches want the best for their players no matter where they play."
So where are those great coaches?
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Post by crazzzy4soccer on May 14, 2022 21:03:02 GMT -5
UFA. Allan Woods. Underrated but one of the bests. Supports even if you have you have r to leave because it’s best. There’s a few others but very few.
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Post by redhawk on May 14, 2022 21:15:01 GMT -5
Would it be best to be honest with our coach that we are trying out at another club? We are planning on skipping the second tryout date to tryout at another club, but I have heard of other players being penalized for doing just that. I don’t want to lie to him about our reason for missing. We do want to stay at the current club, but it looks like there will be a lot of movement, and I’d like to keep our options open. Biggest question, if offered a spot on the other team would your kid take it? Yes? Then absolutely let current coach know. Coaches deserve to know what they need to look for at tryouts. For older players they probably have a runner-up already. No and it's just for the experience? That's up to you. I personally would, but that's just me. If coach is sending signals that your kid will be punished for trying out at a different club, then I would recommend against it for your kid's sake. I would also recommend that you leave the team with no regrets. Huge red flag. Great coaches want the best for their players no matter where they play. Dabe-do you have experience with SP? He has proven to be retaliatory. |
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Post by dabe on May 14, 2022 23:12:53 GMT -5
Biggest question, if offered a spot on the other team would your kid take it? Yes? Then absolutely let current coach know. Coaches deserve to know what they need to look for at tryouts. For older players they probably have a runner-up already. No and it's just for the experience? That's up to you. I personally would, but that's just me. If coach is sending signals that your kid will be punished for trying out at a different club, then I would recommend against it for your kid's sake. I would also recommend that you leave the team with no regrets. Huge red flag. Great coaches want the best for their players no matter where they play. Dabe-do you have experience with SP? He has proven to be retaliatory. Blanking on any SPs I may know. Which club? Norcross? |
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Post by dabe on May 14, 2022 23:16:05 GMT -5
"Great coaches want the best for their players no matter where they play." So where are those great coaches? Honestly, best coaches my kids have ever had were at the rec level. Smaller clubs too. Academy some. Things went downhill quickly though. Seem to be leveling out a bit again. I’m sure there are amazing coaches at big clubs and highest levels but they are harder to find. Can’t really blame them because of all the pressure from their clubs to be the most “elite”. |
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Post by messindreams on May 14, 2022 23:35:06 GMT -5
Dabe-do you have experience with SP? He has proven to be retaliatory. Blanking on any SPs I may know. Which club? Norcross? Forsyth. Good coach, but I heard the same when it comes to retaliation. His teams generally do well. |
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Post by dabe on May 14, 2022 23:42:13 GMT -5
Blanking on any SPs I may know. Which club? Norcross? Forsyth. Good coach, but I heard the same when it comes to retaliation. His teams generally do well. Oh. Just met him recently at the ID Camp. Good info to have. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 15, 2022 7:21:10 GMT -5
Biggest question, if offered a spot on the other team would your kid take it? Yes? Then absolutely let current coach know. Coaches deserve to know what they need to look for at tryouts. For older players they probably have a runner-up already. No and it's just for the experience? That's up to you. I personally would, but that's just me. If coach is sending signals that your kid will be punished for trying out at a different club, then I would recommend against it for your kid's sake. I would also recommend that you leave the team with no regrets. Huge red flag. Great coaches want the best for their players no matter where they play. Dabe-do you have experience with SP? He has proven to be retaliatory. This coach is not well liked by a lot of players or parents. Lots of sarcastic comments that often hurt the players' feelings. Many have left the club to avoid playing for him at all ages. Know a lot of kids regularly reduced to tears by this guy. Would not want my kids to play for him. Could totally see him being retaliatory if he found put you were trying out elsewhere. |
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Post by dadofthree on May 15, 2022 7:37:02 GMT -5
UFA. Allan Woods. Underrated but one of the bests. Supports even if you have you have r to leave because it’s best. There’s a few others but very few. AW by my money is still one of the best youth coaches out there. Has his idosecrecies but we all do. My daughter wouldn't be playing D1 without all he did for her. |
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Post by dadofthree on May 15, 2022 7:41:26 GMT -5
Dabe-do you have experience with SP? He has proven to be retaliatory. This coach is not well liked by a lot of players or parents. Lots of sarcastic comments that often hurt the players' feelings. Many have left the club to avoid playing for him at all ages. Know a lot of kids regularly reduced to tears by this guy. Would not want my kids to play for him. Could totally see him being retaliatory if he found put you were trying out elsewhere. We were one of those that left UFA because as you said we didn't want our daughter playing for SP. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 15, 2022 9:26:04 GMT -5
Nope. Plays the parent politics game now.[/quote] Really, because I heard that he is loyal to UFA Legacy players to a fault. This seems to scare alot of people away from playing for him. I know his 2011 team is the best in the state. His ECNL team seems as if their are only a handful of players that could make another ECNL/GAL team in metro Atlanta. It's pretty impressive what he's done with that group. But, I'm just looking from the outside. I could be wrong[/quote] Oh no, he is not loyal to legacy players to a fault. He recruits from outside the club. His 2011 team does not need any new kids but I would be shocked if he has not spoken to 08 players around metro Atlanta. That 08 team is the weakest team that UFA has in ECNL. He will be doing what he can to make it better with outside players. |
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Post by messindreams on May 15, 2022 9:44:59 GMT -5
Nope. Plays the parent politics game now. Recruitment is part of the game at all clubs including UFA. Speaking of loyalty is oxymoron as there is none on both sides. AW is no different, but he is a great coach IMHO. |
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Post by redhawk on May 15, 2022 10:43:24 GMT -5
This coach is not well liked by a lot of players or parents. Lots of sarcastic comments that often hurt the players' feelings. Many have left the club to avoid playing for him at all ages. Know a lot of kids regularly reduced to tears by this guy. Would not want my kids to play for him. Could totally see him being retaliatory if he found put you were trying out elsewhere. We were one of those that left UFA because as you said we didn't want our daughter playing for SP. I would be curious to know how many U16 ECNL players on the 21-22 teams at each ATL club came from their own ECNL-RL teams. Which club is doing a better job of developing and promoting from within. |
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