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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Jun 28, 2022 8:43:35 GMT -5
Champs! True but I believe some of the U17 teams were somewhat unlucky as they were 2-1 but did not advance due to goal differential. I was surprised that both the UFA U13 teams (ECNL and ECRL) were not able to do better given their 20-1-1 SE region records. That is concerning. I do find the timing on these championships frustrating as many teams are not the same ones that played all season. This is true for GA, ECNL and USYS as well. completely agree that our season ends to early buts mainly a southern thing. Our tryouts and the season should be pushed back. Have tryouts start July 1 instead of May 1. Push the season to end after school ends, or when the rest of the country finishes the school year. Then the teams that earned those spots actually play in these championships vs new players looking to make a name. That and who wouldn’t rather play games in December then August. Sounds great in theory but you'd wreck a lot of summer plans in doing that. Family vacations, summer camps, etc. are all planned around the school calendar and July 4th. We have several friends who send their kids to month-long camps in the summer and I doubt they want to have to choose between the camps and tryouts. Only way you could change the soccer calendar in that manner is if the school calendar changes. That said, I'd much prefer schools in GA shift the calendar back one month (ending in late June and starting back in early September) but you'd probably have to get the university system of GA to also change. I don't know what precipitated the change in the calendar but in the late 80s we ended school in mid-June and started school after Labor Day. UGA and most other state schools were on the quarter system back then. They all changed to semesters at some point and, I believe, also moved the calendar to start and finish earlier in the year. Not sure if the public school systems here all changed due to that but guessing it was a big factor. |
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Post by mightydawg on Jun 28, 2022 9:07:03 GMT -5
Champs! True but I believe some of the U17 teams were somewhat unlucky as they were 2-1 but did not advance due to goal differential. I was surprised that both the UFA U13 teams (ECNL and ECRL) were not able to do better given their 20-1-1 SE region records. That is concerning. I do find the timing on these championships frustrating as many teams are not the same ones that played all season. This is true for GA, ECNL and USYS as well. completely agree that our season ends to early buts mainly a southern thing. Our tryouts and the season should be pushed back. Have tryouts start July 1 instead of May 1. Push the season to end after school ends, or when the rest of the country finishes the school year. Then the teams that earned those spots actually play in these championships vs new players looking to make a name. That and who wouldn’t rather play games in December then August. This does very little, if anything, to solve any problems and creates a whole set of new problems. Teams U15 and above finish their season in December or January, at the latest and then go play high school soccer. Some get back together for tournaments in May but it is the 4 month layoff for high school that has the biggest impact. Having tryouts in July also creates a number of logical problems in addition to the ones listed by DunwoodySoccerDad. There are uniforms that have to be ordered and pushing that back from June to mid July means that the uniforms are not ready until September. Higher level teams start their regular season around August 20th. That is tough to do without uniforms. The big thing is that teams that are going to nationals need to find a way to play meaningful games/scrimmages to get back up to the speed of play that they will see at nationals. The leaders of clubs throughout the SE could come up with ways to do this to help all the SE teams prepare for nationals. None of the SE teams can meet until the knockout stage so it benefits everyone to have friendlies with other teams/clubs headed to nationals to get prepared. |
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Jun 28, 2022 10:19:55 GMT -5
Looks like NASA and UFA U18/19 Boys play each other in the Semis today of the ECNL Boys Champions League bracket. Concorde U18/19 is in the Semis of the North American Cup division.
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Post by soccerfan1010 on Jun 28, 2022 12:28:57 GMT -5
NASA boys won in PKs.
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Post by ball2futbol on Jun 28, 2022 14:16:34 GMT -5
Theres not a perfect solution to the scheduling issue as long as football is King of the South! But both Platinum 18/19 and Platinum 16 played in regular season games well into May. Not sure how much you can factor that into their performance at Nationals. Those are both very talented teams but playing in meaningful late
Spring tuneup games and training sessions doesn’t hurt when your going up against clubs on the national stage.
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Post by allthingsoccer on Jun 30, 2022 13:11:49 GMT -5
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Jun 30, 2022 14:44:52 GMT -5
NASA boys lose in PK’s. Down 3-1 they came back to tie it up. Had numerous chances to finish but just couldn’t shut the door. Great season for these kids
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Post by Brinker on Jun 30, 2022 20:05:59 GMT -5
Southeast conference had a few teams advance to the Boys ECNL National Finals in St. Louis in 2 weeks:
South Carolina United U17s
CESA U16s
NTH-NASA U15s
And NTH-NASA U13s and U14s, GSA U13s, CESA U13s and SC Surf U13s all play tomorrow to try to advance.
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Post by joeschmo on Jul 2, 2022 12:46:45 GMT -5
NASA U13s won 2:1 against Rio Rapids in a crazy game that had it all! Penalty, red card for Rio Rapids, chances to score on both side, couple crossbars etc. NASA played great soccer and deserved to win. NASA U14s got eliminated by Beach FC 0:1 in a very physical game. CESA lost 0:2, SC Surf got killed by San Diego Surf 0:6 and GSA got eliminate by Pipeline 0:2.
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Post by Brinker on Jul 2, 2022 13:11:38 GMT -5
NASA U13s won 2:1 against Rio Rapids in a crazy game that had it all! Penalty, red card for Rio Rapids, chances to score on both side, couple crossbars etc. NASA played great soccer and deserved to win. NASA U14s got eliminated by Beach FC 0:1 in a very physical game. CESA lost 0:2, SC Surf got killed by San Diego Surf 0:6 and GSA got eliminate by Pipeline 0:2. Wow. That means that NTH-NASA is the only Georgia team to advance to St. Louis National ECNL Finals (U13s and U15s). NASA U19s also lost in the national championship finals so seems like NASA had the best ECNL boys results overall for GA teams. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jul 2, 2022 13:26:46 GMT -5
NASA U13s won 2:1 against Rio Rapids in a crazy game that had it all! Penalty, red card for Rio Rapids, chances to score on both side, couple crossbars etc. NASA played great soccer and deserved to win. NASA U14s got eliminated by Beach FC 0:1 in a very physical game. CESA lost 0:2, SC Surf got killed by San Diego Surf 0:6 and GSA got eliminate by Pipeline 0:2. Wow. That means that NTH-NASA is the only Georgia team to advance to St. Louis National ECNL Finals (U13s and U15s). NASA U19s also lost in the national championship finals so seems like NASA had the best ECNL boys results overall for GA teams. Over the last few years, the NASA boys program has been on the upswing. I realized the NASA program was tops, when they fielded a team in all age-groups against AU in the Georgia Unite Cup finals, last year. Unfortunately, all the teams came up short against AU but it definitely proved that whatever they are putting into the kool-aid is working. Congratulations to the U13s & U15s. Good-luck, we shall be rooting for them in St. Louis 👏👏👏 p.s. This is one of those bitter-sweet moments for their parents. Sweet and happy the lads are going into the finals, but bitter that the parents have to cough up even more $$$ for hotels, feeding, rentals and flights. Especially, with the crazy flight season we're currently experiencing... |
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Post by forumguy on Jul 2, 2022 16:15:10 GMT -5
Nasa turned things around almost exactly three years ago when RA left Concorde and most of the top players followed him to Masa It's no coincidence that he is the ECNL Technical Director and that program is thriving. Best hire Nasa has made in a very long time.
Is it coincidence that Concorde's boys program has been on a slow decline the last 3 years since he left?
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Post by Brinker on Jul 2, 2022 19:52:41 GMT -5
NTH-NASA boys 2007s have had a good run for several years. Last year, Unite Cup finalist (lost to AU) and finished 8th nationally at ECNL playoffs (lost in quarterfinals). This year, they were undefeated in ECNL regular season and showcase play and now have advanced to the national finals tournament in St. Louis. RT has coached this team for many years and RA takes them over for U16. Now that NASA’s excellent U19 team is graduating, the ‘07s should be a team to watch.
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Post by onekickpop on Jul 2, 2022 20:02:16 GMT -5
RA coaches older teams. That 07 team has been the same since DA and is run by RT for years. Don’t think there are any Concorde kids there but could be wrong.
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Post by Brinker on Jul 2, 2022 20:07:03 GMT -5
RA coaches older teams. That 07 team has been the same since DA and is run by RT for years. Don’t think there are any Concorde kids there but could be wrong. 07 boys team has been a pretty stable roster and long time NASA kids. RT has coached the group for 5 years. |
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Post by forumguy on Jul 2, 2022 20:45:28 GMT -5
RA coaches 08s at NASA who went from 5th in the SE region under MG one year ago to top 16 in the nation. My son played for RA at Concorde and we followed him over and it was the best decision we've made. The transformation in that team has been nothing short of remarkable.
But not the point...Point is the entire boys program at Nasa (granted the 07s were already established) has been elevated due to RA's work across multiple age groups over several years. First with many of those players now at Nasa when he was with them at Concorde (think it was 04s/05s/06s/10s) and who have followed him over. Then the work he has done more recently with those age groups and the 08s at Nasa.
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Post by gsadad on Jul 2, 2022 21:24:13 GMT -5
First time poster although I have been reading for a few years. I am a GSA Parent and all I hear is how GSA plays bad soccer, long ball etc, you guys have heard it all. Anyway I watched the NASA 08 team - I was looking forward to watching them- first place in SE an all. All I can say is if GSA plays long ball, then NASA ( or at least the NASA 08 team) plays REALLY Long ball. I am sorry, ( and I support Georgia soccer) but it was not good soccer. I only watched the first half so maybe it got better.
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Post by Brinker on Jul 2, 2022 21:29:37 GMT -5
First time poster although I have been reading for a few years. I am a GSA Parent and all I hear is how GSA plays bad soccer, long ball etc, you guys have heard it all. Anyway I watched the NASA 08 team - I was looking forward to watching them- first place in SE an all. All I can say is if GSA plays long ball, then NASA ( or at least the NASA 08 team) plays REALLY Long ball. I am sorry, ( and I support Georgia soccer) but it was not good soccer. I only watched the first half so maybe it got better. Welcome expert on NASA soccer who watched 1 half of 1 game of 1 team. Enjoy GSA. |
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Post by gsadad on Jul 2, 2022 21:58:27 GMT -5
Sounds like I struck a nerve....Sorry. Yes it was only one team and I said that, but you aren't going to convince me that a team that plays that much long ball only just started playing that way for this all important game.
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Post by forumguy on Jul 2, 2022 22:13:21 GMT -5
Not sure about Binker but no nerve struck here. My son has played for RA for 5+ years and I can assure you his teams do not play direct unless there was a reason for it. Did you know the context of the game you were watching, the opponent, what instructions were given to the team and why? Sometimes coaches want to go direct to relieve the other teams high press to back them off so they can get to playing again. Just one possible scenario but not smart to make judgements on a team after watching them for one half.
Even Barcelona, Liverpool and Manchester City play direct at times. Its what the situation dictates
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Post by gsadad on Jul 2, 2022 22:56:55 GMT -5
This is a meaningless back n forth. Just one man who watched the game giving his unbiased opinion. Did you see the game? The other team was not high pressing. Much of the game they only had 1 boy up top. I am sorry but NASA played panicky and looked unprepared.
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Post by forumguy on Jul 2, 2022 23:12:34 GMT -5
You're entitled to your opinion but a team doesn't go from 5th in the region to top 16 in the nation in less than one year if they are panicky and unprepared. Maybe first time at nationals and 14 year old boys are nervous...who knows.
Depends what game you're talking about but yes I saw two of the NASA 08 games. Didn't see any panicking except for round of 16 game in the last 15-20 minutes when they lost their striker and were desperately trying to score to keep their post season run alive.
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Post by gsadad on Jul 2, 2022 23:23:22 GMT -5
I was referring to the 1H of the Friday game.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 3, 2022 11:23:08 GMT -5
I always find these conversations interesting about club style of play and panicking etc.
The long ball thing especially. Everyone thinks they play possession and the other team long ball. I would say every team in the area plays long ball at some point. It is tactics.
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Post by comeonref69 on Jul 5, 2022 11:20:46 GMT -5
This is a meaningless back n forth. Just one man who watched the game giving his unbiased opinion. Did you see the game? The other team was not high pressing. Much of the game they only had 1 boy up top. I am sorry but NASA played panicky and looked unprepared. I think I can help settle this "meaningless back and forth" between Brinker, forumguy, and gsadad. I'm assuming gsadad's son plays for GSA. If so, you probably have access to veo and NASA's 1-0 win over GSA Aug 1st, and GSA's 2-1 win over NASA March 26th. Gsadad, sorry, but not even close to who is coached to play and plays long ball and is known as playing boom ball throughout the ECNL SE Region...vs who plays a possession out of the back style of team soccer. You want to see a panicky and unprepared back 4? Check-out GSA |
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Post by guerillaman on Jul 5, 2022 21:29:17 GMT -5
There is still a better questionioned to be had here -- does concorde still deserve 2 boys teams in ecnl. Seems it's no longer playing fair.
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Post by soccerdad76 on Jul 5, 2022 23:08:07 GMT -5
There is still a better questionioned to be had here -- does concorde still deserve 2 boys teams in ecnl. Seems it's no longer playing fair. decent question, and my personal opinion is probably not, but what does “Concorde is no longer playing fair” mean? |
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Post by guerillaman on Jul 6, 2022 8:38:13 GMT -5
There is still a better questionioned to be had here -- does concorde still deserve 2 boys teams in ecnl. Seems it's no longer playing fair. decent question, and my personal opinion is probably not, but what does “Concorde is no longer playing fair” mean? Sorry -- meant -- it's time each club is only allowed one team, unless they specifically show teams are training/from a different location X miles away etc. |
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Post by mightydawg on Jul 6, 2022 9:53:27 GMT -5
If you are basing the decision on performance instead of feelings, Concorde Premier has better results than a number of ECNL SE clubs. Why you suggest getting rid of competitive teams when other clubs perform worse makes no logical sense.
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Post by forumguy on Jul 6, 2022 10:03:51 GMT -5
Concorde Premier should get out because we have 13 clubs in the region and it makes for difficulty with scheduling, club partners and travel. 12 clubs would make sense logistically. There is no need for two teams from the same club when things would be so much easier with just 12
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