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Post by mightydawg on Jul 6, 2022 10:09:46 GMT -5
So why Concorde premier when it PERFORMS better than some other Atlanta area clubs and Tennessee clubs? Just because you don’t like Concorde having 2 teams?
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 6, 2022 10:56:57 GMT -5
If you are basing the decision on performance instead of feelings, Concorde Premier has better results than a number of ECNL SE clubs. Why you suggest getting rid of competitive teams when other clubs perform worse makes no logical sense. Well those Concorde Premier kids would move to other clubs thus making them better. I think for a lot of people it is a club having two teams in the same league that bothers them. |
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Post by forumguy on Jul 6, 2022 10:57:33 GMT -5
Actually has nothing to do with my opinion of Concorde. Both Platinum and Premier are mediocre to average with a couple of good teams here and there. Wouldn't the club and the region be much better if you took the top players from both teams and make one super team? Might challenge NASA, improve the quality and make it more competitive. And as I mentioned, logistically, having an even number of clubs would make for easier parter/travel and scheduling.
I would rather turn two mediocre clubs/teams into a super competitive one than just get rid of one weak club...Again just my opinion. The goal should be to raise the level not dilute it
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Post by mightydawg on Jul 6, 2022 11:04:40 GMT -5
If you are basing the decision on performance instead of feelings, Concorde Premier has better results than a number of ECNL SE clubs. Why you suggest getting rid of competitive teams when other clubs perform worse makes no logical sense. Well those Concorde Premier kids would move to other clubs thus making them better. I think for a lot of people it is a club having two teams in the same league that bothers them. Wouldn't that same logic apply to getting rid of any club, the players move on to other clubs and make other clubs stronger? Why not get rid of AFU? It players would make GSA, UFA and Concorde stronger. Why not get rid of UFA? Its players would make GSA, AFU, NASA and Concorde better. It is an exercise in futility. If you are going to get rid of a club, which I am not advocating for, the logical club to get rid of is the club that PERFORMS the worst. Shouldn't it be about performance instead of politics? |
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Post by forumguy on Jul 6, 2022 11:09:59 GMT -5
Wouldn't be an exercise in futility since you have the same club with two teams. Players moving clubs...Yes.
Players staying in their host club but moving best players to one top team definitely not futile. Great for the club, league and region.
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Post by mightydawg on Jul 6, 2022 11:15:18 GMT -5
Actually has nothing to do with my opinion of Concorde. Both Platinum and Premier are mediocre to average with a couple of good teams here and there. Wouldn't the club and the region be much better if you took the top players from both teams and make one super team? Might challenge NASA, improve the quality and make it more competitive. And as I mentioned, logistically, having an even number of clubs would make for easier parter/travel and scheduling. I would rather turn two mediocre clubs/teams into a super competitive one than just get rid of one weak club...Again just my opinion. The goal should be to raise the level not dilute it Concorde is not trying to form 2 equal teams so your Super Team analogy does not apply. The Platinum coach selects the players that he wants for the Platinum team and then the Premier coach selects the players for the premier. U13--finished ahead of UFA and AFU U14--finished ahead of AFU U15--finished ahead of AFU U16--finished ahead of GSA and AFU U17--last Atlanta team U18--last Atlanta team Also, the odd number of teams has no effect on travel. To the extent that any problem exists with travel, it is because there are 3 South Carolina teams so one of those teams is left without a travel partner. As a result, teams end up with a one off game against one of the SC clubs. Taking a team away from Atlanta would actually make travel problems worse because then an Atlanta team does not have a travel partner. Therefore, you end up with 2 one off games because it makes no sense to have an Atlanta team and a SC as travel partners. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jul 6, 2022 11:17:01 GMT -5
Should Concorde have 3 teams then? Would make for even numbers.  |
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Post by Brinker on Jul 6, 2022 11:30:54 GMT -5
There is still a better questionioned to be had here -- does concorde still deserve 2 boys teams in ecnl. Seems it's no longer playing fair. CF’s results in boys ECNL do not seem to warrant a second team. NASA, UFA, GSA, CESA and SC Surf all seem to field stronger boys ECNL teams in the Southeast compared to the Concorde Premier team and in many cases even the Concorde Platinum team. CF did not do well at ECNL playoffs compared to the other programs (only one year sample though). One team per program seems sufficient to increase competitiveness. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jul 6, 2022 12:50:39 GMT -5
with the ecnl regional league in place now, I think it should be 1 team a club. the top 2 teams from the regional league could get a promotion if wanted to ecnl as well. granted, many of those players might have moved on to the ecnl team anyway, which could make it a moot point anyway..... So maybe no promotion....
i'm torn on the encl boys playoff structure. I think the day off can be removed during group play and maybe expand it to 2 teams advancing from each group. keep an elimination bracket game at nationals, but the next round in st louis would have an additionally earlier round.
i personally just don't like 1 team advancing from a group when you are flying across the country to play games.
San Diego's fields were nice though, some inconsistency in field sizes and no true championship field. They needed one central true championship field to highlight games.
fields blow away Bryan Park in Greensboro though. Those are some good fields there at Bryan Park in Greensboro, but many are of various different sizes, bumpy pitches and very difficult to walk to around and watch other games. just not as good an atmosphere at San Diego and San Diego was superior for sure. Just too expensive.
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Post by Brinker on Jul 6, 2022 13:02:38 GMT -5
ECNL boys national finals in St. Louis looks like it will be on turf next weekend. HOT!!
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jul 6, 2022 15:14:27 GMT -5
Does Concorde need to lobby to put their top team in MLS Next then (or whatever its called)? Take away an ECNL spot and 110% chance they do that.
That was the deal, Concorde Fire goes All In with ECNL and they get 2 spots. Unless there was a contract with caveats.
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Post by messindreams on Jul 6, 2022 20:55:47 GMT -5
I know this is way off topic but check FC Delco’s pathway. fcdelco.org/about-2/boys-development-pathwayMy point is that they have NL(not in the pic), ECNL and MLS Next. There is no one size fits all. I think having an extra ECNL slot to reduce travel for parents who bleed $$$ is not a bad thing. I think NASA deserves two teams or an MLS Next slot like they used to have DA and ECNL in the past(boys side). I also think Tophat should have an ECNL slot. As we are touring colleges(by invitation) we are learning a lot about how things are in other states. Lot of great clubs around the country. I hope I am not starting an ECNL vs MLS debate, not my intent. There are quality players across all leagues. Few NL kids stood out, some chose to play and for some that was their best option. |
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Post by atlantadad on Jul 7, 2022 18:44:07 GMT -5
Tophat 08 Gold is through to the National Championship game! Congrats to the girls!
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 7, 2022 19:35:06 GMT -5
Tophat 08 Gold is through to the National Championship game! Congrats to the girls! Good luck in the finals! |
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