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Post by dabe on Aug 2, 2022 2:01:04 GMT -5
I think that you should stick to commenting on the 09 age group because you definitely fudged these predictions up and clearly don't know the 08 age group! Ihave a feeling that we will revisit this post come December time. Deep breath, this is a discussion board, I’m not trying to offend anyone. The only team (and I’m at that club) that I could be off is UFA. I know they added a TH girl and a Concorde Plat girl, so they should be better than TH maybe that AFU game is close, but still don’t think anyone comes near the Concorde Plat team. It’s easy to just say I’m wrong, but give me your thoughts on what the rankings should be. You’re right about AFU 08s. They’re a very sound team. I don’t know any of the players or where they came from. I also don’t know how they compare to other 08 teams. But, if they’ve got a new roster I’m excited to see how they’ll do once their team chemistry gets even better! Overall, they were fun to watch and great competitors. |
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Post by disturbed on Aug 2, 2022 8:19:01 GMT -5
I think that you should stick to commenting on the 09 age group because you definitely fudged these predictions up and clearly don't know the 08 age group! Ihave a feeling that we will revisit this post come December time. Deep breath, this is a discussion board, I’m not trying to offend anyone. The only team (and I’m at that club) that I could be off is UFA. I know they added a TH girl and a Concorde Plat girl, so they should be better than TH maybe that AFU game is close, but still don’t think anyone comes near the Concorde Plat team. It’s easy to just say I’m wrong, but give me your thoughts on what the rankings should be. Everything is wrong except number 1. Like I said this thread will be revisited in December. Good luck to all the teams. |
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Post by bolo on Aug 2, 2022 9:25:42 GMT -5
This is the Champion League team list for U13s. SCCL brackets and game dates got released today. Where is the SCCL schedule released to? couldn’t find it online. Here it is, was posted in another thread (in case anyone missed it there): system.gotsport.com/org_event/events/16835 |
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Post by forumlurker on Aug 2, 2022 11:30:58 GMT -5
I have an 09 at UFA for the record. That 2008 girls group is definitely tougher this year with Tophat and GSA falling apart: 1. Concorde Platinum - by far more talented that any other team 2. Concorde Premier - assuming that their team stayed together and added some cut Plat girls 3. AFU - benefited from GSA collapse and added a few from Tophat 4. Tophat - wildcard as not really sure what group stayed here 5. UFA - never seem to get above mid table 6. GSA I don’t really know any of the non ECNL teams, so maybe a Columbus or someone makes it in around 4th as well. This is funny. TH 08s clobbered CF Platinum the last two years by 4 in short 60 minute games. The point spread was closer than the actual games were. Last season's 4-0 result was with TH "falling" a part that year too and losing 2 to CF Platinum 08s and 1 to CF Platinum 07s. The year before 1 to CF Platinum 08s. All the players that left TH08s were gone prior to the GA Playoffs and the team was a stronger team that made it further this year than last year. TH lost and/or got rid of some good individual talent but several of those players leaving will help the team be a stronger team than before. It will be interesting to see what the season looks like especially since CF and TH are unlikely to ever play at this age group again but I would still predict TH and CF Platinum would still have similar result as the last 2 head to head match ups. There was a big gap to close between the two and I don't think the moves this year closed it enough. |
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Post by unitedwestand on Aug 2, 2022 11:53:48 GMT -5
I have an 09 at UFA for the record. That 2008 girls group is definitely tougher this year with Tophat and GSA falling apart: 1. Concorde Platinum - by far more talented that any other team 2. Concorde Premier - assuming that their team stayed together and added some cut Plat girls 3. AFU - benefited from GSA collapse and added a few from Tophat 4. Tophat - wildcard as not really sure what group stayed here 5. UFA - never seem to get above mid table 6. GSA I don’t really know any of the non ECNL teams, so maybe a Columbus or someone makes it in around 4th as well. This is funny. TH 08s clobbered CF Platinum the last two years by 4 in short 60 minute games. The point spread was closer than the actual games were. Last season's 4-0 result was with TH "falling" a part that year too and losing 2 to CF Platinum 08s and 1 to CF Platinum 07s. The year before 1 to CF Platinum 08s. All the players that left TH08s were gone prior to the GA Playoffs and the team was a stronger team that made it further this year than last year. TH lost and/or got rid of some good individual talent but several of those players leaving will help the team be a stronger team than before. It will be interesting to see what the season looks like especially since CF and TH are unlikely to ever play at this age group again but I would still predict TH and CF Platinum would still have similar result as the last 2 head to head match ups. There was a big gap to close between the two and I don't think the moves this year closed it enough. I'm going to call BS on this. That team is completely depleted! They have maybe 2 still left from the original super team. Unless they're importing players from a different state, there's no way that they'll compete with most of the ECNL teams in metro Atlanta |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 2, 2022 12:40:34 GMT -5
This is funny. TH 08s clobbered CF Platinum the last two years by 4 in short 60 minute games. The point spread was closer than the actual games were. Last season's 4-0 result was with TH "falling" a part that year too and losing 2 to CF Platinum 08s and 1 to CF Platinum 07s. The year before 1 to CF Platinum 08s. All the players that left TH08s were gone prior to the GA Playoffs and the team was a stronger team that made it further this year than last year. TH lost and/or got rid of some good individual talent but several of those players leaving will help the team be a stronger team than before. It will be interesting to see what the season looks like especially since CF and TH are unlikely to ever play at this age group again but I would still predict TH and CF Platinum would still have similar result as the last 2 head to head match ups. There was a big gap to close between the two and I don't think the moves this year closed it enough. I'm going to call BS on this. That team is completely depleted! They have maybe 2 still left from the original super team. Unless they're importing players from a different state, there's no way that they'll compete with most of the ECNL teams in metro Atlanta This is the annual "TH lost a bunch of players so they will suck and CF is the best" argument. It has been going on ever since CF left girls DA and got worse when DA died. The reality is that there is no way to know if CF or TH or GSA or UFA is the best in any age group. In general I find it amusing that the argument remains between CF and TH regardless of the fact that UFA is improving rapidly or that GSA has great teams at several age groups as well. Both CF and TH put many kids in highly touted college programs and have players in the USYNT pool. Let's be happy that we have a lot of great options around us so that if one is not working for our kids we can leave and still have many great options including AFU, SSA, AFC Lightning that all play ECNL or GA and can get our kids the exposure that they need. |
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Post by bogan on Aug 2, 2022 12:49:37 GMT -5
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Post by Whistledown on Aug 2, 2022 14:09:21 GMT -5
I'm going to call BS on this. That team is completely depleted! They have maybe 2 still left from the original super team. Unless they're importing players from a different state, there's no way that they'll compete with most of the ECNL teams in metro Atlanta This is the annual "TH lost a bunch of players so they will suck and CF is the best" argument. It has been going on ever since CF left girls DA and got worse when DA died. The reality is that there is no way to know if CF or TH or GSA or UFA is the best in any age group. In general I find it amusing that the argument remains between CF and TH regardless of the fact that UFA is improving rapidly or that GSA has great teams at several age groups as well. Both CF and TH put many kids in highly touted college programs and have players in the USYNT pool. Let's be happy that we have a lot of great options around us so that if one is not working for our kids we can leave and still have many great options including AFU, SSA, AFC Lightning that all play ECNL or GA and can get our kids the exposure that they need.
Let's be happy that we have a lot of great options around us so that if one is not working for our kids we can leave and still have many great options including AFU, SSA, AFC Lightning that all play ECNL or GA and can get our kids the exposure that they need. |
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Post by forumlurker on Aug 2, 2022 14:43:51 GMT -5
This is funny. TH 08s clobbered CF Platinum the last two years by 4 in short 60 minute games. The point spread was closer than the actual games were. Last season's 4-0 result was with TH "falling" a part that year too and losing 2 to CF Platinum 08s and 1 to CF Platinum 07s. The year before 1 to CF Platinum 08s. All the players that left TH08s were gone prior to the GA Playoffs and the team was a stronger team that made it further this year than last year. TH lost and/or got rid of some good individual talent but several of those players leaving will help the team be a stronger team than before. It will be interesting to see what the season looks like especially since CF and TH are unlikely to ever play at this age group again but I would still predict TH and CF Platinum would still have similar result as the last 2 head to head match ups. There was a big gap to close between the two and I don't think the moves this year closed it enough. I'm going to call BS on this. That team is completely depleted! They have maybe 2 still left from the original super team. Unless they're importing players from a different state, there's no way that they'll compete with most of the ECNL teams in metro Atlanta That TH team is not depleted there are 4 players that were there at the last year 4-0 game that are no longer there. One to AFU, one to UFA, one to CF Plat 08s, one to CF Plat 07s/08s. TH 08s picked up 2 from Premier, one from AFU, two from TH Navy. That TH team will be just fine and still at the top of the city. CF Plat has some good talent they just aren't quite as good as the TH team. Both are really good teams and better than the competition they play against. There should be a little more parity across the age group which is a good thing. It will be nice to see teams like UFA and AFU competing. But yes to the other poster it is good to have options to find what's best for the kids. I have been impressed with the progress a club like UFA has made. |
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Post by futbol2two on Aug 2, 2022 17:47:01 GMT -5
I'm going to call BS on this. That team is completely depleted! They have maybe 2 still left from the original super team. Unless they're importing players from a different state, there's no way that they'll compete with most of the ECNL teams in metro Atlanta That TH team is not depleted there are 4 players that were there at the last year 4-0 game that are no longer there. One to AFU, one to UFA, one to CF Plat 08s, one to CF Plat 07s/08s. TH 08s picked up 2 from Premier, one from AFU, two from TH Navy. That TH team will be just fine and still at the top of the city. CF Plat has some good talent they just aren't quite as good as the TH team. Both are really good teams and better than the competition they play against. There should be a little more parity across the age group which is a good thing. It will be nice to see teams like UFA and AFU competing. But yes to the other poster it is good to have options to find what's best for the kids. I have been impressed with the progress a club like UFA has made. How will TH08 be at the top of the city, when they are not competeing against the top of the city? They may have 4 left that beat CF Platinum 08 last year, but the super team that once was great, is no more. That team was a super team at one point, cannot replace all that talent, by just pulling up and grabbing. The ones that did leave were very good players. Unfortunately, when 4 good leave or 10 good leave in 2 years, you cannot replace all 10 at the same level. So to say that they are the top in the city is a stretch when talent has been stretched. |
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Post by rifle on Aug 2, 2022 20:58:15 GMT -5
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Post by fgug on Aug 3, 2022 6:28:25 GMT -5
There is so much chatter about the 2008 age group, but not the other age groups. I’d love to hear more thoughts on 09s and 10s.
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Post by collegesoccer on Aug 3, 2022 7:32:43 GMT -5
That TH team is not depleted there are 4 players that were there at the last year 4-0 game that are no longer there. One to AFU, one to UFA, one to CF Plat 08s, one to CF Plat 07s/08s. TH 08s picked up 2 from Premier, one from AFU, two from TH Navy. That TH team will be just fine and still at the top of the city. CF Plat has some good talent they just aren't quite as good as the TH team. Both are really good teams and better than the competition they play against. There should be a little more parity across the age group which is a good thing. It will be nice to see teams like UFA and AFU competing. But yes to the other poster it is good to have options to find what's best for the kids. I have been impressed with the progress a club like UFA has made. How will TH08 be at the top of the city, when they are not competeing against the top of the city? They may have 4 left that beat CF Platinum 08 last year, but the super team that once was great, is no more. That team was a super team at one point, cannot replace all that talent, by just pulling up and grabbing. The ones that did leave were very good players. Unfortunately, when 4 good leave or 10 good leave in 2 years, you cannot replace all 10 at the same level. So to say that they are the top in the city is a stretch when talent has been stretched. Correction: TH can replace all 10 if necessary. And has in the past when necessary. Other clubs would struggle to do the same. |
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Post by forumlurker on Aug 3, 2022 8:33:10 GMT -5
That TH team is not depleted there are 4 players that were there at the last year 4-0 game that are no longer there. One to AFU, one to UFA, one to CF Plat 08s, one to CF Plat 07s/08s. TH 08s picked up 2 from Premier, one from AFU, two from TH Navy. That TH team will be just fine and still at the top of the city. CF Plat has some good talent they just aren't quite as good as the TH team. Both are really good teams and better than the competition they play against. There should be a little more parity across the age group which is a good thing. It will be nice to see teams like UFA and AFU competing. But yes to the other poster it is good to have options to find what's best for the kids. I have been impressed with the progress a club like UFA has made. How will TH08 be at the top of the city, when they are not competeing against the top of the city? They may have 4 left that beat CF Platinum 08 last year, but the super team that once was great, is no more. That team was a super team at one point, cannot replace all that talent, by just pulling up and grabbing. The ones that did leave were very good players. Unfortunately, when 4 good leave or 10 good leave in 2 years, you cannot replace all 10 at the same level. So to say that they are the top in the city is a stretch when talent has been stretched. Sounds like the same narrative that people try to sell every year and yet the team (and club for that matter) still beats the next best in the city easily in head to head. That 2008 TH vs CF matchup probably never happens again so oh well you can keep speculating. Last two years it wasn't close and that was with players changing sides already. I would argue and say last year it was even a bigger gap then the year before and that was when most movement happened. The same talk happened last year going into the fall season that TH08s would lose to a team like AFU etc. That didn't happen. The TH team played better competition in the playoffs this year than it did in the prior year and the team did better than before becoming "depleted". They will be OK. Ultimately, it doesn't matter. Being the best team in Atlanta is meaningless. The kids just need to be in a place to get better and stop worrying so much about winning or losing. Compete and get better and results with come as they are supposed to. Look for a good program that develops the player and provides a good environment. As far as the other younger age groups it seems like 09s top are UFA and TH. I don't think the played last year but both beat everyone else around the area 10s TH seemed to be the top with GSA being a good side as well. I believe they played a couple times 11s TH based on last spring results they beat the local sides |
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Post by mightydawg on Aug 3, 2022 8:44:41 GMT -5
The teams could very easily play if they wanted to. Nike Select Cup is this weekend. If TH wanted to play Concorde, all they had to do was register. No regular season scheduling conflicts that would prevent a match up.
If Concorde wanted to play TH, the Nasa Tophat Girls Classic is the last weekend in August. Assuming that it does not have regular season ECNL games, all Concorde has to do is sign up.
Both teams are at CESA next week. They could play at CESA if they wanted to.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 3, 2022 8:57:13 GMT -5
The teams could very easily play if they wanted to. Nike Select Cup is this weekend. If TH wanted to play Concorde, all they had to do was register. No regular season scheduling conflicts that would prevent a match up. If Concorde wanted to play TH, the Nasa Tophat Girls Classic is the last weekend in August. Assuming that it does not have regular season ECNL games, all Concorde has to do is sign up. Both teams are at CESA next week. They could play at CESA if they wanted to. I am not sure CESA would just do what TH and CF wanted, but you are correct on the other tournament options. I was surprised to see TH play in the CF Spring tourney last year. I had hoped to see these clubs stop the craziness and just play each other! I suspect that AFU 2010 will be pretty competitive this year. Watched them play in the spring and they looked very good and I know they added some from outside including a phenomenal keeper. UFA 2010 got a great coach so I will be interested to see how he grows that group. They also have a stellar striker that played up with the 09 team last year returning to her own age group that will help that team a lot. |
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Post by mightydawg on Aug 3, 2022 9:06:34 GMT -5
At Nike Select Cup this week, the following teams will play to start answering these questions:
U14 (2009)--teams that finished 4, 8, 10 in SE and 5 in Ohio Valley South and teams that finished 5, 6, 1 in Ohio Valley South, and 6 in GA.
U15(2008)--teams that finished 1, 2, 8, and 11 in ECNL SE will play.
At CESA in 2 weeks, UFA, Concorde, AFU and TH are all playing teams from SE so that will also answer some more questions.
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Post by howler on Aug 3, 2022 10:15:55 GMT -5
My family is new to NASA/TH. What happened to the NASA/TH 08 Girls team? Why did they lose so many players ?
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Post by Whistledown on Aug 3, 2022 12:11:19 GMT -5
My family is new to NASA/TH. What happened to the NASA/TH 08 Girls team? Why did they lose so many players ? They lost players for different reasons. Some wanted a different experience, some wanted more playing time, some didn't want to keep commuting so far, etc etc. Each team lost some and gained some. Also "Best Team" is not always gauged by the most games won. Believe it or not, colleges actually take players from teams that lose sometimes. |
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Post by mightydawg on Aug 3, 2022 12:19:59 GMT -5
My family is new to NASA/TH. What happened to the NASA/TH 08 Girls team? Why did they lose so many players ? They lost players for different reasons. Some wanted a different experience, some wanted more playing time, some didn't want to keep commuting so far, etc etc. Each team lost some and gained some. Also "Best Team" is not always gauged by the most games won. Believe it or not, colleges actually take players from teams that lose sometimes. Best team still means best team and the only way to objectively determine that is by wins and losses, advancement at nationals, etc. May not mean the most talented, most recruited, best individual players or best coached. |
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Post by futbol2two on Aug 3, 2022 13:05:28 GMT -5
It sounds absurd to me that 10 players in 2 years would leave for a different experience, more playing time, and commuting, with such a good team. 1 to 2 players yes, 10, does not make sense. Those were some pretty good players Id take on my team anytime. For the most part, strong players. Is that the same reason the 07s left as well?
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Post by turfburns on Aug 3, 2022 13:36:55 GMT -5
My family is new to NASA/TH. What happened to the NASA/TH 08 Girls team? Why did they lose so many players ? As I was told, ask anyone that has left from the 08 or 07 gold the last few years, they will likely all give you the same answer- the coach. Looked like he was getting 08 again and players made their moves. I saw the team play several times and they were a fun team to watch, they played well together and it is really a shame because they had so much talent on one team and they knew how to use it together as a team- which is rare. From what I have heard a coaching intervention earlier could have saved this super team and if so, that is really too bad. I am glad to hear the 4 girls that left went to 3 different clubs to spread some talent to the local ECNL teams. |
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Post by oldtrafford on Aug 3, 2022 13:53:24 GMT -5
There is so much chatter about the 2008 age group, but not the other age groups. I’d love to hear more thoughts on 09s and 10s. having a daughter who played for TC in academy, curious to see how he handles that ‘10 team as it’s the first time he’s gotten to carry on with a group as they age. that should be best team in age group however by a lot. movement in 08 age group makes it harder to know who is top. will be fun to watch those games as talent has finally spread to other clubs. |
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Post by forumlurker on Aug 3, 2022 15:46:01 GMT -5
It sounds absurd to me that 10 players in 2 years would leave for a different experience, more playing time, and commuting, with such a good team. 1 to 2 players yes, 10, does not make sense. Those were some pretty good players Id take on my team anytime. For the most part, strong players. Is that the same reason the 07s left as well? When you have a team of "super stars" everyone wants to be the star but everyone can't be. That hurts a lot of egos. With that it is easy to see why you get a lot to leave in that situation. A lot of individual players (and parents) looking out for themselves. That's not why all left. You have many reasons. You have some like the other poster said that wanted to be closer to home. Some that had demands that the club wasn't giving into (e.g. playing up or a different position) so they went where they could get their way. Some wanted more playing time. Some said they wanted a different coach (which the team got a different coach) and left anyways. Some were asked to leave. Some stopped playing all together. It's the nature of uber competitive girl soccer in Atlanta and a slew of choices within minutes of each other. CF Platinum 07s replaced their entire team with Tophat players two years ago. Brought in 11 or so that year and kicked that number and the coach off of their team. The following season several went back to Tophat and they got rid of the coach the group brought in. This season that same CF Platinum 07 team added 9 new players (so at least 20 new players in three seasons). AFU 08s picked up at least 4 or 5 players this year from GSA and a few last year two. Some of those players moved for the 4th time in as many years. They have to find what fits best for their kid. UFA also picked up several new players. It doesn't mean there was anything wrong with where they came from it just wasn't right for them. Also playing with a team full of "superstars" (I use that term very loosely) doesn't always make for a good team. I would say the TH 08 team last season was better than they were the season before with 4 players gone. This year with another 4 gone we will see what it looks like but if this year's playoffs are an indication they have a chance to be better again. |
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Post by roki12 on Aug 4, 2022 8:37:41 GMT -5
It sounds absurd to me that 10 players in 2 years would leave for a different experience, more playing time, and commuting, with such a good team. 1 to 2 players yes, 10, does not make sense. Those were some pretty good players Id take on my team anytime. For the most part, strong players. Is that the same reason the 07s left as well? When you have a team of "super stars" everyone wants to be the star but everyone can't be. That hurts a lot of egos. With that it is easy to see why you get a lot to leave in that situation. A lot of individual players (and parents) looking out for themselves. That's not why all left. You have many reasons. You have some like the other poster said that wanted to be closer to home. Some that had demands that the club wasn't giving into (e.g. playing up or a different position) so they went where they could get their way. Some wanted more playing time. Some said they wanted a different coach (which the team got a different coach) and left anyways. Some were asked to leave. Some stopped playing all together. It's the nature of uber competitive girl soccer in Atlanta and a slew of choices within minutes of each other. CF Platinum 07s replaced their entire team with Tophat players two years ago. Brought in 11 or so that year and kicked that number and the coach off of their team. The following season several went back to Tophat and they got rid of the coach the group brought in. This season that same CF Platinum 07 team added 9 new players (so at least 20 new players in three seasons). AFU 08s picked up at least 4 or 5 players this year from GSA and a few last year two. Some of those players moved for the 4th time in as many years. They have to find what fits best for their kid. UFA also picked up several new players. It doesn't mean there was anything wrong with where they came from it just wasn't right for them. Also playing with a team full of "superstars" (I use that term very loosely) doesn't always make for a good team. I would say the TH 08 team last season was better than they were the season before with 4 players gone. This year with another 4 gone we will see what it looks like but if this year's playoffs are an indication they have a chance to be better again. I think its as simple as a rivalry. Clubs and coaches play a part, as big if not bigger, than parents. TH loves to screw Concorde over, and vice versa. Concorde's golden egg is that it has ECNL - it is not and never will be the coaching or development for Concorde. Some late shifts happened on the girls 07 side with already committed TH players going to CF Platinum and Premier after nationals. So now TH has teams with barely any subs before any injuries, while Concorde has 18-24 on a team where girls will have to ride the bench. |
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Post by turfburns on Aug 4, 2022 9:35:02 GMT -5
Sounds more like a club & coach problem rather than a bunch of 14/15 year old girls trying to screw over a team or be “super stars”. In my years of youth soccer in this area, I have seen all the clubs spin the narrative of anyone leaving as the player/parents fault, never is it the club or coach’s fault for losing talent. If you look at it from a numbers standpoint, it is a lot of top team, talented players being lost year after year (with the same coach) across 2 ages, and that is a red flag to me as an outsider. I guess it is up to TH to explore the reasons, but I do know they are kids and are on their own soccer journey and I for one, wish them all well wherever they are playing this year.
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Post by mightydawg on Aug 4, 2022 10:13:23 GMT -5
As long as the player handles it right (i.e., not accepting a spot and then leaving the team in a bind), no one should ever be upset with players moving clubs. We are the customer and should choose the situation that is best for our kid.
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Post by fgug on Aug 4, 2022 22:38:18 GMT -5
Everybody knows why the TH 07s left late this summer. It’s a scandal, or at least a rumored one.
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Post by fgug on Aug 4, 2022 22:39:16 GMT -5
There is so much chatter about the 2008 age group, but not the other age groups. I’d love to hear more thoughts on 09s and 10s. having a daughter who played for TC in academy, curious to see how he handles that ‘10 team as it’s the first time he’s gotten to carry on with a group as they age. that should be best team in age group however by a lot. movement in 08 age group makes it harder to know who is top. will be fun to watch those games as talent has finally spread to other clubs. The 10s at TH are very good. |
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Post by rifle on Aug 5, 2022 6:00:32 GMT -5
Everybody knows why the TH 07s left late this summer. It’s a scandal, or at least a rumored one. Really? Why is that? |
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