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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on May 11, 2023 18:43:54 GMT -5
Play teams twice in your division, once against teams in the other division.
East:
CF Prem
NASA
AFU
Surf
SC United
CESA
West:
Alabama
Red Wolves
GSA
UFA
CF Plat
FC Alliance
Tennessee
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Post by Brinker on May 11, 2023 19:10:39 GMT -5
Should make for better competition to win each division. Also less games in the fall and less travel/costs.
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on May 11, 2023 19:16:09 GMT -5
Should make for better competition to win each division. Also less games in the fall and less travel/costs. It means 3 conference trips instead of 4 and opens up a slot to travel to an additional showcase to play better teams in front of college coaches which is much better for the players and a better use of parent’s $$$! Atlanta based east division teams have it slightly better retaining 2 trips to SC because there are so many soccer schools in the Carolinas that coaches do show up to regular season ECNL conference games at U17 & U19 in SC. |
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Post by mightydawg on May 11, 2023 19:50:02 GMT -5
East looks substantially stronger than west in most age groups.
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Post by atlantasoccerdad2020 on May 11, 2023 20:40:06 GMT -5
F’n BS. I’m sure the fees will be the same with 1/3 less games.
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Post by atlantasoccerdad2020 on May 11, 2023 20:43:31 GMT -5
Play teams twice in your division, once against teams in the other division. East: CF Prem NASA AFU Surf SC United CESA West: Alabama Red Wolves GSA UFA CF Plat FC Alliance Tennessee Where did you get this? |
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Post by soccerdad76 on May 11, 2023 22:15:16 GMT -5
And how will it work with 6 and 7 teams? It’s not as simple as play same side twice and other side once. That would be 16 or 18 games
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on May 11, 2023 22:24:33 GMT -5
And how will it work with 6 and 7 teams? It’s not as simple as play same side twice and other side once. That would be 16 or 18 games 17 or 18, but yeah, I was wondering about that as well. Would the East division teams each play a third game with another east division team (can’t play the west because that would give those teams 19 games) or just keep the 17/18 game discrepancy between divisions and go by ppg like they do now across conferences that play a different number of games for playoff seeding? |
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Post by atlantasoccerdad2020 on May 11, 2023 22:35:56 GMT -5
And how will it work with 6 and 7 teams? It’s not as simple as play same side twice and other side once. That would be 16 or 18 games 17 or 18, but yeah, I was wondering about that as well. Would the East division teams each play a third game with another east division team (can’t play the west because that would give those teams 19 games) or just keep the 17/18 game discrepancy between divisions and go by ppg like they do now across conferences that play a different number of games for playoff seeding? So where did you get list? |
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Post by atlantasoccerdad2020 on May 11, 2023 22:42:07 GMT -5
And how will it work with 6 and 7 teams? It’s not as simple as play same side twice and other side once. That would be 16 or 18 games 17 or 18, but yeah, I was wondering about that as well. Would the East division teams each play a third game with another east division team (can’t play the west because that would give those teams 19 games) or just keep the 17/18 game discrepancy between divisions and go by ppg like they do now across conferences that play a different number of games for playoff seeding? Based on other conferences with 2 divisions and uneven # of teams they put 5 teams in nationals split 2 and 3. Maybe the division with extra team gets an extra spot in nationals. Some of the divisions split have worse teams going to nationals than ones in other side beside they take top 2 from each division. |
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on May 11, 2023 22:56:39 GMT -5
17 or 18, but yeah, I was wondering about that as well. Would the East division teams each play a third game with another east division team (can’t play the west because that would give those teams 19 games) or just keep the 17/18 game discrepancy between divisions and go by ppg like they do now across conferences that play a different number of games for playoff seeding? So where did you get list? Clubs and coaches usually get info like this and share it with their players before ECNL gets around to announcing it because every year ECNL is working on a lot of changes across their conferences and they post an update about all of it together. |
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Post by diamondmid on May 12, 2023 6:32:22 GMT -5
17 or 18, but yeah, I was wondering about that as well. Would the East division teams each play a third game with another east division team (can’t play the west because that would give those teams 19 games) or just keep the 17/18 game discrepancy between divisions and go by ppg like they do now across conferences that play a different number of games for playoff seeding? Based on other conferences with 2 divisions and uneven # of teams they put 5 teams in nationals split 2 and 3. Maybe the division with extra team gets an extra spot in nationals. Some of the divisions split have worse teams going to nationals than ones in other side beside they take top 2 from each division. Southeast Conference gets 5, 7, or 3 teams (depending on age group). With two divisions, my guess is you'd get top 2, 3, and 1 from each division and then the next best from both based on PPG so in the end you still end up with 5, 7, or 3. -edit- Boys only... Girls have a different setup altogether. |
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Post by NotherSoccerParent on May 12, 2023 7:36:39 GMT -5
Top 3 teams from each division make it to the playoffs. The best 4th place team from either division (probably based on PPG) will make it as well so a total of 7 teams. In theory, 4 of 6 teams from the East and only 3 of 7 teams from the West could make the playoffs.
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Post by randomparent on May 12, 2023 8:07:49 GMT -5
17 or 18, but yeah, I was wondering about that as well. Would the East division teams each play a third game with another east division team (can’t play the west because that would give those teams 19 games) or just keep the 17/18 game discrepancy between divisions and go by ppg like they do now across conferences that play a different number of games for playoff seeding? Based on other conferences with 2 divisions and uneven # of teams they put 5 teams in nationals split 2 and 3. Maybe the division with extra team gets an extra spot in nationals. Some of the divisions split have worse teams going to nationals than ones in other side beside they take top 2 from each division. naaaatiooooonalllllllllllllllllllllllssssssssssssssssssssssssss |
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Post by randomparent on May 12, 2023 8:09:16 GMT -5
Top 3 teams from each division make it to the playoffs. The best 4th place team from either division (probably based on PPG) will make it as well so a total of 7 teams. In theory, 4 of 6 teams from the East and only 3 of 7 teams from the West could make the playoffs. hahahah, pretty much everyone goes to nationaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllsssssssssssssssssss what a waste of thousands of dollars |
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Post by randomparent on May 12, 2023 8:17:25 GMT -5
Top 3 teams from each division make it to the playoffs. The best 4th place team from either division (probably based on PPG) will make it as well so a total of 7 teams. In theory, 4 of 6 teams from the East and only 3 of 7 teams from the West could make the playoffs. hahahah, pretty much everyone goes to nationaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllsssssssssssssssssss what a waste of thousands of dollars i want to preemptively apologize for anyone i offended by making fun of nationals. i understand many of you find it to be a new mainstay of your summer vacation planning, even giving up important trips. you also probably think it is really important, since you are spending 1000's of dollars. i wish everyone the best, the important thing is your kid has fun hanging out with other kids and you get some wins, but not enough wins where you have to go to second nationals |
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on May 12, 2023 8:19:34 GMT -5
Based on other conferences with 2 divisions and uneven # of teams they put 5 teams in nationals split 2 and 3. Maybe the division with extra team gets an extra spot in nationals. Some of the divisions split have worse teams going to nationals than ones in other side beside they take top 2 from each division. naaaatiooooonalllllllllllllllllllllllssssssssssssssssssssssssss nice, nothing like an elite league that letting 2nd and 3rd place teams make it to naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatioooonallls They have to fill 32 to 64 slots depending on age group and the number of teams per conference changes a bit every year, plus some teams that qualify are not able to go for various reasons so sometimes they go even deeper in the table to fill the slate. The thing that’s annoying is that ECNL can’t get the champions decided in one tournament trip (except for the U19s) so if your team earns a spot in the true “nationals” by being one of the eight knockout round winners in the “playoffs” you have to turn around and make cross country travel arrangements for two weeks later at much higher prices. |
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Post by randomparent on May 12, 2023 8:22:55 GMT -5
naaaatiooooonalllllllllllllllllllllllssssssssssssssssssssssssss nice, nothing like an elite league that letting 2nd and 3rd place teams make it to naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatioooonallls They have to fill 32 to 64 slots depending on age group and the number of teams per conference changes a bit every year, plus some teams that qualify are not able to go for various reasons so sometimes they go even deeper in the table to fill the slate. The thing that’s annoying is that ECNL can’t get the champions decided in one tournament trip (except for the U19s) so if your team earns a spot in the true “nationals” by being one of the eight knockout round winners in the “playoffs” you have to turn around and make cross country travel arrangements for two weeks later at much higher prices. yeah, teams having to go to "second nationals" is ridiculous. it is like they dont realize some families have more than one kid and want to spend a couple months away from the sport in the summer.... also the costs are crazy. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 12, 2023 9:40:29 GMT -5
yea, its too much, the downtime at nationals sucks in my opinion. But, its brutal playing 3 games also in a row, so I don't have a solution, other than don't have nationals in san diego, on of the most expensive cities in the country. getting there alone, cost nearly 1K per airline ticket. hotels were around $1,500 for the week. Each meal was expensive as well, we started hitting whole foods for cheaper meals there.
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on May 12, 2023 10:06:36 GMT -5
yea, its too much, the downtime at nationals sucks in my opinion. But, its brutal playing 3 games also in a row, so I don't have a solution, other than don't have nationals in san diego, on of the most expensive cities in the country. getting there alone, cost nearly 1K per airline ticket. hotels were around $1,500 for the week. Each meal was expensive as well, we started hitting whole foods for cheaper meals there. Or how about having local conference group stage tournaments and send winners to Nationals? It’s really not rocket surgery! |
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 12, 2023 11:03:46 GMT -5
yea, its too much, the downtime at nationals sucks in my opinion. But, its brutal playing 3 games also in a row, so I don't have a solution, other than don't have nationals in san diego, on of the most expensive cities in the country. getting there alone, cost nearly 1K per airline ticket. hotels were around $1,500 for the week. Each meal was expensive as well, we started hitting whole foods for cheaper meals there. Or how about having local conference group stage tournaments and send winners to Nationals? It’s really not rocket surgery! Would be the best for the kids and their families except the super important college recruiting!!! Those coaches want to be able to see all of the teams in one location in one week (or so). Nationals is not really nationals as much as it is a showcase. It is just a showcase with meaning. |
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Post by jamsoccer on May 12, 2023 11:25:00 GMT -5
They have to fill 32 to 64 slots depending on age group and the number of teams per conference changes a bit every year, plus some teams that qualify are not able to go for various reasons so sometimes they go even deeper in the table to fill the slate. The thing that’s annoying is that ECNL can’t get the champions decided in one tournament trip (except for the U19s) so if your team earns a spot in the true “nationals” by being one of the eight knockout round winners in the “playoffs” you have to turn around and make cross country travel arrangements for two weeks later at much higher prices. yeah, teams having to go to "second nationals" is ridiculous. it is like they dont realize some families have more than one kid and want to spend a couple months away from the sport in the summer.... also the costs are crazy. i’m glad we’re talking abt this. why do we have to go back and forth? are they trying to make the west coast and east coast happy by making the other miserable? my opinion 1 nationals in tx- or nationals in cali or va- that can switch every other year- 2 weeks booked in hotels with refundable nights for the second week- sending 344 teams ~ 5000 players to a tourist destination during peak season is crazy |
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Post by jamsoccer on May 12, 2023 11:26:53 GMT -5
it seems like ecnl girls side should consider this format since we are one of the larger conferences- i don’t mind as is but may save parents $$
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Post by randomparent on May 12, 2023 13:37:31 GMT -5
yeah, teams having to go to "second nationals" is ridiculous. it is like they dont realize some families have more than one kid and want to spend a couple months away from the sport in the summer.... also the costs are crazy. i’m glad we’re talking abt this. why do we have to go back and forth? are they trying to make the west coast and east coast happy by making the other miserable? my opinion 1 nationals in tx- or nationals in cali or va- that can switch every other year- 2 weeks booked in hotels with refundable nights for the second week- sending 344 teams ~ 5000 players to a tourist destination during peak season is crazy I wonder if the league makes money on the travel? Does the league have any ties to travel? Does any of their leadership own a travel company? Does ECNL use a travel company tied to that travel company? |
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Post by mightydawg on May 12, 2023 14:33:01 GMT -5
i’m glad we’re talking abt this. why do we have to go back and forth? are they trying to make the west coast and east coast happy by making the other miserable? my opinion 1 nationals in tx- or nationals in cali or va- that can switch every other year- 2 weeks booked in hotels with refundable nights for the second week- sending 344 teams ~ 5000 players to a tourist destination during peak season is crazy I wonder if the league makes money on the travel? Does the league have any ties to travel? Does any of their leadership own a travel company? Does ECNL use a travel company tied to that travel company? Yes. Making money on hotels |
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Post by rifle on May 12, 2023 17:00:14 GMT -5
yea, its too much, the downtime at nationals sucks in my opinion. But, its brutal playing 3 games also in a row, so I don't have a solution, other than don't have nationals in san diego, on of the most expensive cities in the country. getting there alone, cost nearly 1K per airline ticket. hotels were around $1,500 for the week. Each meal was expensive as well, we started hitting whole foods for cheaper meals there. Whole Foods for cheaper meals. LOL. |
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Post by soccerparent02 on May 12, 2023 19:39:49 GMT -5
To all the posters about Nationals, you know what you sign up for in each league. If you want to be sure to have time for "vacation", play rec. Ocal travel, minimal practice time and months off.
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Post by jamsoccer on May 12, 2023 20:46:04 GMT -5
To all the posters about Nationals, you know what you sign up for in each league. If you want to be sure to have time for "vacation", play rec. Ocal travel, minimal practice time and months off. don’t know which one of us ur referring to- i don’t complain abt nationals because it interferes with my vacation- im going on vacation either way- i complain bc inefficiency is my biggest pet peeve- |
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Post by Keeper on May 12, 2023 21:01:48 GMT -5
inefficiency is the American way….
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Post by soccer3819 on May 12, 2023 22:16:31 GMT -5
second nationnnnnnnnnnnaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllsssss! God have mercy! The sacrifices and ambitions made is inspiring! I applaud the parents and those coaches are lucky to have your kids!
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