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Post by 04gparent on Feb 6, 2024 11:56:41 GMT -5
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Post by rifle on Feb 6, 2024 12:01:50 GMT -5
On brand. If MLS can’t control the profit, they’re not interested.
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Post by 04gparent on Feb 6, 2024 12:10:58 GMT -5
On brand. If MLS can’t control the profit, they’re not interested. This statement stands out: "The program has already compensated a total of more than $100,000 to eight different MLS NEXT Elite Academies for players that are retroactively eligible for the Development Grant." So, let's say you own SSA or LSA, and you develop a player that goes on to make the 1st team at, let's say, Orlando City; you could receive additional monies. It's a game change for those clubs. Take a step back. USL clubs can be compensated by selling players abroad, and MLS Next clubs can do so via this method. Where does that leave the boy's ECNL clubs? |
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Post by bogan on Feb 6, 2024 13:37:27 GMT -5
On brand. If MLS can’t control the profit, they’re not interested. This statement stands out: "The program has already compensated a total of more than $100,000 to eight different MLS NEXT Elite Academies for players that are retroactively eligible for the Development Grant." So, let's say you own SSA or LSA, and you develop a player that goes on to make the 1st team at, let's say, Orlando City; you could receive additional monies. It's a game change for those clubs. Take a step back. USL clubs can be compensated by selling players abroad, and MLS Next clubs can do so via this method. Where does that leave the boy's ECNL clubs? Agree…unless it’s used to simply enrich the owner/directors. |
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Post by lajolla39 on Feb 6, 2024 15:33:49 GMT -5
This statement stands out: "The program has already compensated a total of more than $100,000 to eight different MLS NEXT Elite Academies for players that are retroactively eligible for the Development Grant." So, let's say you own SSA or LSA, and you develop a player that goes on to make the 1st team at, let's say, Orlando City; you could receive additional monies. It's a game change for those clubs. Take a step back. USL clubs can be compensated by selling players abroad, and MLS Next clubs can do so via this method. Where does that leave the boy's ECNL clubs? Agree…unless it’s used to simply enrich the owner/directors. Isn't this exactly what happens in Europe? Lower level clubs find and identify talent. They get sold via a transfer fee to the next level up club. Lather, rinse, repeat. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Feb 6, 2024 16:36:08 GMT -5
I commend the MLS for taking steps to address the issue of compensating for the true development of talent, which they often poach and take credit for. It seems that the increasing number of lawsuits filed by local pay-to-play clubs has finally compelled the MLS to take action. It's a wise move to preempt further legal disputes in this area...
However, while I appreciate the MLS's efforts, I'm not entirely in favor of pro-clubs compensating pay-to-play clubs. After all, it's the parents and families who bear the financial burden of league fees, training costs, transportation, uniforms, coach fees, team manager fees, gifts for coaches and team managers, referee fees, unused kit fees, and even out-of-county fees. With all this investment, it's only fair that parents receive their due share...
As for the impact on ECNL clubs, I believe they still have a valuable product to offer. They can continue focusing on providing opportunities for their players to participate in high school soccer and prioritize helping players secure college placements. Those who aspire to turn professional straight out of high school can seek out MLS Next clubs for further development...
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Post by futbolhero on Feb 6, 2024 16:38:21 GMT -5
ECNL is fairly new for boys so not much history. Give it time and boys teams will begin the migration to mls next. Most of the talented mls academy players I have seen came from ecnl clubs. They will want their compensation. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Feb 6, 2024 16:43:05 GMT -5
Agree…unless it’s used to simply enrich the owner/directors. Isn't this exactly what happens in Europe? Lower level clubs find and identify talent. They get sold via a transfer fee to the next level up club. Lather, rinse, repeat. Yes, yes and you're absolutely right. However, we here in the good 'ol US of A, have a very unique model. We engage in, called, the Pay 2 Play model. As a club owner or director, it's the best of all worlds. You walk around and are treated with reverence, fear and awe. Get us parents to pay for "Elite" soccer and now it seems, you also get to make even more $$$ on the backend, if and when that player goes pro with an MLS club? So, yes, if a club like Atlanta United, who doesn't charge for anything, foots the bill, they should reap the rewards of their investment... |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Feb 6, 2024 16:44:11 GMT -5
ECNL is fairly new for boys so not much history. Give it time and boys teams will begin the migration to mls next. Most of the talented mls academy players I have seen came from ecnl clubs. They will want their compensation. Personally, I think this has the added goal by the MLS to push good young players towards MLS Next clubs or maybe on the outside chance, have one or two ECNL clubs go the way of MLS Next also... |
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Post by mightydawg on Feb 6, 2024 16:50:49 GMT -5
ECNL is fairly new for boys so not much history. Give it time and boys teams will begin the migration to mls next. Most of the talented mls academy players I have seen came from ecnl clubs. They will want their compensation. Personally, I think this has the added goal by the MLS to push good young players towards MLS Next clubs or maybe on the outside chance, have one or two ECNL clubs go the way of MLS Next also... Why would this push good young players towards MLS Next Clubs? They are not receiving any of the money. I can see why it would push ECNL clubs to get a foothold in MLS Next. Just don't understand the motivation for the player. |
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Post by rifle on Feb 6, 2024 18:48:10 GMT -5
It’s all about development, just ask them…
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Post by futbolhero on Feb 6, 2024 18:52:57 GMT -5
It’s all about development, just ask them… That is funny. |
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Post by bogan on Feb 6, 2024 18:58:01 GMT -5
It’s all about development, just ask them… Yes, yes, of course… |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Feb 7, 2024 7:54:44 GMT -5
Personally, I think this has the added goal by the MLS to push good young players towards MLS Next clubs or maybe on the outside chance, have one or two ECNL clubs go the way of MLS Next also... Why would this push good young players towards MLS Next Clubs? They are not receiving any of the money. I can see why it would push ECNL clubs to get a foothold in MLS Next. Just don't understand the motivation for the player. You, my friend, are trying to use logic. Please stop. This move will now allow MLS Next clubs, directors and coaches to claim that, hey, you want to become a professional, you need to come play with us in MLS Next. MLS clubs are so desperate for players, they are even willing to pay us to "recruit/draft" you. An, so begins the indoctrination that the only way you can go "pro" is to go through the MLS youth hierarchy pyramid 🤪 |
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Post by bogan on Feb 7, 2024 9:06:38 GMT -5
Why would this push good young players towards MLS Next Clubs? They are not receiving any of the money. I can see why it would push ECNL clubs to get a foothold in MLS Next. Just don't understand the motivation for the player. You, my friend, are trying to use logic. Please stop. This move will now allow MLS Next clubs, directors and coaches to claim that, hey, you want to become a professional, you need to come play with us in MLS Next. MLS clubs are so desperate for players, they are even willing to pay us to "recruit/draft" you. An, so begins the indoctrination that the only way you can go "pro" is to go through the MLS youth hierarchy pyramid 🤪 🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by lajolla39 on Feb 7, 2024 10:12:43 GMT -5
Why would this push good young players towards MLS Next Clubs? They are not receiving any of the money. I can see why it would push ECNL clubs to get a foothold in MLS Next. Just don't understand the motivation for the player. You, my friend, are trying to use logic. Please stop. This move will now allow MLS Next clubs, directors and coaches to claim that, hey, you want to become a professional, you need to come play with us in MLS Next. MLS clubs are so desperate for players, they are even willing to pay us to "recruit/draft" you. An, so begins the indoctrination that the only way you can go "pro" is to go through the MLS youth hierarchy pyramid 🤪 What other youth hierarchy pyramid do you prefer? MLS Next seems like a good option for the development needed to play professionally. |
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Post by randomparent on Feb 7, 2024 10:36:07 GMT -5
You, my friend, are trying to use logic. Please stop. This move will now allow MLS Next clubs, directors and coaches to claim that, hey, you want to become a professional, you need to come play with us in MLS Next. MLS clubs are so desperate for players, they are even willing to pay us to "recruit/draft" you. An, so begins the indoctrination that the only way you can go "pro" is to go through the MLS youth hierarchy pyramid 🤪 What other youth hierarchy pyramid do you prefer? MLS Next seems like a good option for the development needed to play professionally. Anything with with pro/rel |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Feb 7, 2024 10:38:05 GMT -5
You, my friend, are trying to use logic. Please stop. This move will now allow MLS Next clubs, directors and coaches to claim that, hey, you want to become a professional, you need to come play with us in MLS Next. MLS clubs are so desperate for players, they are even willing to pay us to "recruit/draft" you. An, so begins the indoctrination that the only way you can go "pro" is to go through the MLS youth hierarchy pyramid 🤪 What other youth hierarchy pyramid do you prefer? MLS Next seems like a good option for the development needed to play professionally. I am in agreement with you friend. If you look at my post here: gasoccerforum.com/post/77776 You will notice in one of the paragraphs, I pretty much referenced the same thing about ECNL continuing their focus on college recruitment and MLS Next focusing on those more interested in going pro... |
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Post by atlnoleg on Feb 7, 2024 10:40:07 GMT -5
I have no issue with MLS Next being a pathway, but the way it's currently implemented there is really nothing different than any other league if you're not affiliated with the actual MLS club. How does paying to play for LSA or SSA or Kalonji develop you any better than paying to play for Concorde or NASA or GSA or UFA, etc.?
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Post by lajolla39 on Feb 7, 2024 11:29:43 GMT -5
What other youth hierarchy pyramid do you prefer? MLS Next seems like a good option for the development needed to play professionally. Anything with with pro/rel Unfortunately this can't happen because MLS isn't a pro/rel league. You can suck till the cows come home and still get and equal cut of the broadcasting check. |
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Post by lajolla39 on Feb 7, 2024 11:34:47 GMT -5
I have no issue with MLS Next being a pathway, but the way it's currently implemented there is really nothing different than any other league if you're not affiliated with the actual MLS club. How does paying to play for LSA or SSA or Kalonji develop you any better than paying to play for Concorde or NASA or GSA or UFA, etc.? MLS Next's only advantage over other leagues is MLS Club affiliated Acadamies. This in theory give non Academy MLS Next teams the ability to play against much better teams. Also if you do well MLS Acadamies might recruit you. The other kind of advantage of MLS Next is that players have the option of playing professionally or playing in college. But this only applies to the Academy team players. |
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Post by atlnoleg on Feb 7, 2024 12:07:53 GMT -5
I have no issue with MLS Next being a pathway, but the way it's currently implemented there is really nothing different than any other league if you're not affiliated with the actual MLS club. How does paying to play for LSA or SSA or Kalonji develop you any better than paying to play for Concorde or NASA or GSA or UFA, etc.? MLS Next's only advantage over other leagues is MLS Club affiliated Acadamies. This in theory give non Academy MLS Next teams the ability to play against much better teams. Also if you do well MLS Acadamies might recruit you. The other kind of advantage of MLS Next is that players have the option of playing professionally or playing in college. But this only applies to the Academy team players. Not sure how it is in other MLS cities that have MLS club academies, but as far as I know, Atlanta United pulls from all local clubs regardless of their affiliation. They do RDS camps that draw players from everywhere. They have plenty of kids from ECNL clubs or even smaller clubs that don't have the money or cache to join ECNL or MLS Next. Not saying they can't see a kid playing against them in an MLS Next game and offer a spot, but chances are they have already seen most of those kids already. |
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Post by missionimpossible on Feb 7, 2024 12:51:49 GMT -5
Unless there is some sort of clause in an agreement signed by a player, club, and MLS before hand relative to future compensation, I don’t think its a good idea. Pay to play clubs are just simply transactional agreements over a set time period between club and family of the player. Player is paying for coaching services, etc.
If payment is just supposed to be a “good will” gesture to the club, then how could this even be fair. Not only are parents typically bearing all of the financial burden but how does an MLS Team even pinpoint who had the most impact on a player’s development??? More often than not during an individual soccer player’s journey they spend time with multiple clubs, coaches, leagues, and outside trainers., etc
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Feb 7, 2024 15:24:15 GMT -5
Anything with with pro/rel Unfortunately this can't happen because MLS isn't a pro/rel league. You can suck till the cows come home and still get and equal cut of the broadcasting check. True, but we've been yarning about the Youth League - MLS Next, not the MLS or the MLS-Next-Pro... |
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Post by rifle on Feb 7, 2024 18:31:45 GMT -5
Pretty please don’t call it a pyramid.
The term Pyramid implies a hierarchy. Instead, we have competing leagues that don’t play against one another. And all claim they are the best… so it’s actually a tree.
An open pyramid is an amazing organizational structure - with strength at the base and the middle and the top.
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Post by lajolla39 on Feb 7, 2024 21:50:43 GMT -5
Pretty please don’t call it a pyramid. The term Pyramid implies a hierarchy. Instead, we have competing leagues that don’t play against one another. And all claim they are the best… so it’s actually a tree. An open pyramid is an amazing organizational structure - with strength at the base and the middle and the top. I prefer to think of it all as a "multi level marketing" league |
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Post by rifle on Feb 7, 2024 22:20:33 GMT -5
Pretty please don’t call it a pyramid. The term Pyramid implies a hierarchy. Instead, we have competing leagues that don’t play against one another. And all claim they are the best… so it’s actually a tree. An open pyramid is an amazing organizational structure - with strength at the base and the middle and the top. I prefer to think of it all as a "multi level marketing" league fairly appropriate. Most get something and some profit a lot. |
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Post by rotgg on Feb 8, 2024 9:34:20 GMT -5
NASA and Concord will soon be in MLS Next then the opinions on this forum will change  |
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Post by lajolla39 on Feb 8, 2024 11:06:43 GMT -5
NASA and Concord will soon be in MLS Next then the opinions on this forum will change Why isn't NASA playing in MLS Next already? In most places the only advantage clubs get from playing boys in ECNL is girls get to play in ECNL. |
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Post by rifle on Feb 8, 2024 17:21:13 GMT -5
NASA and Concord will soon be in MLS Next then the opinions on this forum will change Why isn't NASA playing in MLS Next already? In most places the only advantage clubs get from playing boys in ECNL is girls get to play in ECNL. because the DOCs aren’t friends and they’re vindictive. Same reason Tophat is stuck in GA. “It’s all about development” |
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