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Post by 04gparent on Feb 13, 2024 17:17:10 GMT -5
Current scoreboard... 1. GA was Promoted by US Soccer 2. GA added Liverpool FC International Academy (CA) 3. GA added SYC 4. GA added Revolution 5. GA added Seattle Celtic 1. ECNL added Colorado Rush 2. ECNL added Nationals 3. ECNL added Ukies Honest question, because I do not know. Were any of the teams added by GA playing in ECNL? I assume this is an honest question. For Girls ECNL is the gold standard. Clubs are not leaving ECNL to go GA. No one is going to debate the best girls league. GA has lots of girls that are being recruited and will play in college. Nationals and Rush are great clubs who have placed lots of players in college. The Ukranian club is fairly new to GA but is in area that ECNL wants to grow in so there you go... Just like in ECNL, the GA clubs with better teams, place more girls in college than the bad ones. Honestly these moves wont change the power order in girls soccer 1) ENCL 2) Girls Academy... It wont change the amount of colleges that come to games in GA at all. |
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Post by mightydawg on Feb 13, 2024 17:36:53 GMT -5
Honest question, because I do not know. Were any of the teams added by GA playing in ECNL? I assume this is an honest question. For Girls ECNL is the gold standard. Clubs are not leaving ECNL to go GA. No one is going to debate the best girls league. GA has lots of girls that are being recruited and will play in college. Nationals and Rush are great clubs who have placed lots of players in college. The Ukranian club is fairly new to GA but is in area that ECNL wants to grow in so there you go... Just like in ECNL, the GA clubs with better teams, place more girls in college than the bad ones. Honestly these moves wont change the power order in girls soccer 1) ENCL 2) Girls Academy... It wont change the amount of colleges that come to games in GA at all. I get that. I understand the quality that ECNL is getting. I want to know about the quality GA is getting. ECNL is like the SEC getting Texas and Oklahoma. I trying figure out if the GA moves are like Big Ten getting PAC 12 teams, or Big 12 getting American Athletic Cinference teams? |
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Post by atlantagray on Feb 13, 2024 18:56:24 GMT -5
Does anyone know if Solar was in GA too before ECNL? Or were they DA and went from DA to ECNL?
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Post by oraclesfriend on Feb 13, 2024 21:10:34 GMT -5
Those are big additions to ECNL Personally I think the Nationals addition is huge. The Colorado Rush is only ok. That club struggled mightily when in DA. Got their butts kicked most of the time. When they went into GA I think they were decent but still only ok nationally. My guess is they wanted into ECNL because the GA is weak in their region and they had a ton of travel to do. They were winning their region so ECNL could justify it but it isn’t much of a real win for ECNL except as a blow to GA in their battle to try to kill them completely. Ukrainians is a club I had never heard of until a few years ago but once I found out about them I found that they have a solid history. Less of a huge win than Nationals. Probably helps secure the northeast a little more. |
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Post by 04gparent on Feb 14, 2024 8:19:35 GMT -5
Does anyone know if Solar was in GA too before ECNL? Or were they DA and went from DA to ECNL? Solar was in ENCL then DA & ENCL then ECNL only before DA fell apart. Solar probably has the most amount of club locations... Their player pool is huge AND they attract others from across the country who are allowed to guess play for certain events. |
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Post by 04gparent on Feb 14, 2024 8:23:58 GMT -5
I assume this is an honest question. For Girls ECNL is the gold standard. Clubs are not leaving ECNL to go GA. No one is going to debate the best girls league. GA has lots of girls that are being recruited and will play in college. Nationals and Rush are great clubs who have placed lots of players in college. The Ukranian club is fairly new to GA but is in area that ECNL wants to grow in so there you go... Just like in ECNL, the GA clubs with better teams, place more girls in college than the bad ones. Honestly these moves wont change the power order in girls soccer 1) ENCL 2) Girls Academy... It wont change the amount of colleges that come to games in GA at all. I get that. I understand the quality that ECNL is getting. I want to know about the quality GA is getting. ECNL is like the SEC getting Texas and Oklahoma. I trying figure out if the GA moves are like Big Ten getting PAC 12 teams, or Big 12 getting American Athletic Cinference teams? Club soccer and college conferences probably cant be compared... Having 2 top leagues waters them both down... IMO ecnl is weaker because they have added some clubs / teams that were never really good just for expansion sake (see several teams added in FL the last 3 years)... GA took the leftover and built the league from their. GA has added clubs that are in the footprint of underserved parts of the country NE, MidAmerica, but also clubs that are large but couldnt get in ECNL. |
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Post by soccergirlz on Feb 14, 2024 11:04:46 GMT -5
Current scoreboard... 1. GA was Promoted by US Soccer 2. GA added Liverpool FC International Academy (CA) 3. GA added SYC 4. GA added Revolution 5. GA added Seattle Celtic 1. ECNL added Colorado Rush 2. ECNL added Nationals 3. ECNL added Ukies Honest question, because I do not know. Were any of the teams added by GA playing in ECNL? No, not from the list above. I would be curious if GA has ever added an ECNL team. |
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Post by lajolla39 on Feb 14, 2024 12:11:33 GMT -5
Current scoreboard...
1. GA was Promoted by US Soccer
2. GA added Liverpool FC International Academy (CA)
3. GA added SYC
4. GA added Revolution
5. GA added Seattle Celtic
6. GA added Westside Metros FC
1. ECNL added Colorado Rush
2. ECNL added Nationals
3. ECNL added Ukies
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Post by lajolla39 on Feb 15, 2024 11:59:50 GMT -5
Current scoreboard...
1. GA was Promoted by US Soccer
2. GA added Liverpool FC International Academy (CA)
3. GA added SYC
4. GA added Revolution
5. GA added Seattle Celtic
6. GA added Westside Metros FC
7. GA added Oregon Premier FC
1. ECNL added Colorado Rush
2. ECNL added Nationals
3. ECNL added Ukies
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Post by soccergirlz on Feb 15, 2024 14:10:23 GMT -5
Current scoreboard... 1. GA was Promoted by US Soccer 2. GA added Liverpool FC International Academy (CA) 3. GA added SYC 4. GA added Revolution 5. GA added Seattle Celtic 6. GA added Westside Metros FC 7. GA added Oregon Premier FC 1. ECNL added Colorado Rush 2. ECNL added Nationals 3. ECNL added Ukies Add Lonestar to ECNL... |
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Post by lajolla39 on Feb 15, 2024 15:16:30 GMT -5
Current scoreboard... 1. GA was Promoted by US Soccer 2. GA added Liverpool FC International Academy (CA) 3. GA added SYC 4. GA added Revolution 5. GA added Seattle Celtic 6. GA added Westside Metros FC 7. GA added Oregon Premier FC 1. ECNL added Colorado Rush 2. ECNL added Nationals 3. ECNL added Ukies Add Lonestar to ECNL... Was there an official announcement made? I haven't seen it yet. |
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Post by lajolla39 on Feb 19, 2024 12:48:54 GMT -5
Current scoreboard...
1. GA was Promoted by US Soccer
2. GA added Liverpool FC International Academy (CA)
3. GA added SYC
4. GA added Revolution
5. GA added Seattle Celtic
6. GA added Westside Metros FC
7. GA added South Valley Surf
1. ECNL added Colorado Rush
2. ECNL added Nationals
3. ECNL added Ukies
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Post by lajolla39 on Feb 20, 2024 12:15:24 GMT -5
Current scoreboard...
1. GA was Promoted by US Soccer
2. GA added Liverpool FC International Academy (CA)
3. GA added SYC
4. GA added Revolution
5. GA added Seattle Celtic
6. GA added Westside Metros FC
7. GA added South Valley Surf
8. GA added KC Scott Gallagher
1. ECNL added Colorado Rush
2. ECNL added Nationals
3. ECNL added Ukies
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Post by fanatic21 on Feb 20, 2024 12:28:25 GMT -5
Just my opinion, but not sure if any of these GA additions put a dent in ECNL's overall lead. While I don't know all of these clubs well, I'd argue that 1 and 2 on your ECNL list list carry the most weight.
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Post by lajolla39 on Feb 20, 2024 12:38:13 GMT -5
Just my opinion, but not sure if any of these GA additions put a dent in ECNL's overall lead. While I don't know all of these clubs well, I'd argue that 1 and 2 on your ECNL list list carry the most weight. Maybe, to me it looks like GA is being strategic with who they add and building out different leagues. ECNL appears to be going after GA clubs. |
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Post by lajolla39 on Feb 20, 2024 14:19:30 GMT -5
Current scoreboard...
1. GA was Promoted by US Soccer
2. GA added Liverpool FC International Academy (CA)
3. GA added SYC
4. GA added Revolution
5. GA added Seattle Celtic
6. GA added Westside Metros FC
7. GA added South Valley Surf
8. GA added KC Scott Gallagher
1. DPL added Idaho Inferno
2. DPL added Augusta Arsenal
1. ECNL added Colorado Rush
2. ECNL added Nationals
3. ECNL added Ukies
1. ECRL added Lonestar
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Post by mightydawg on Feb 20, 2024 16:02:30 GMT -5
Just my opinion, but not sure if any of these GA additions put a dent in ECNL's overall lead. While I don't know all of these clubs well, I'd argue that 1 and 2 on your ECNL list list carry the most weight. Right, if you are keeping score v. tracking additions and subtractions, it would look like this: ECNL 3 v. GA 0 1. ECNL added Colorado Rush from GA 2. ECNL added Nationals from GA 3. ECNL added Ukies from GA GA 7 v. other soccer leagues 0 1. GA added Liverpool FC International Academy (CA) from somewhere 2. GA added SYC from somewhere 3. GA added Revolution from somewhere 4. GA added Seattle Celtic from somewhere 5. GA added Westside Metros FC from somewhere 6. GA added South Valley Surf from somewhere 7. GA added KC Scott Gallagher from somewhere |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Feb 20, 2024 16:11:21 GMT -5
Just my opinion, but not sure if any of these GA additions put a dent in ECNL's overall lead. While I don't know all of these clubs well, I'd argue that 1 and 2 on your ECNL list list carry the most weight. Right, if you are keeping score v. tracking additions and subtractions, it would look like this: ECNL 3 v. GA 0 1. ECNL added Colorado Rush from GA 2. ECNL added Nationals from GA 3. ECNL added Ukies from GA GA 7 v. other soccer leagues 0 1. GA added Liverpool FC International Academy (CA) from somewhere 2. GA added SYC from somewhere 3. GA added Revolution from somewhere 4. GA added Seattle Celtic from somewhere 5. GA added Westside Metros FC from somewhere 6. GA added South Valley Surf from somewhere 7. GA added KC Scott Gallagher from somewhere KC Scott Gallagher was ECNL-R on the girls side but did not have ECNL, which I believe they have on the boys side. Our 07 ECNL-R team played them in the Sanford showcase in January and tied them. Probably the best team we played that weekend, as they beat UFA the day before pretty handily. |
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Post by lajolla39 on Feb 20, 2024 16:50:23 GMT -5
Tracker...
1. GA was Promoted by US Soccer
2. GA added Liverpool FC International Academy (CA)
3. GA added SYC
4. GA added Revolution
5. GA added Seattle Celtic
6. GA added Westside Metros FC
7. GA added Oregon Premier
8. GA added South Valley Surf
9. GA added KC Scott Gallagher
1. DPL added Idaho Inferno
2. DPL added Augusta Arsenal
1. ECNL added Colorado Rush
2. ECNL added Nationals
3. ECNL added Ukies
1. ECRL added Lonestar
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Post by unitedwestand on Feb 21, 2024 9:46:19 GMT -5
Honestly what are we even discussing? GA isn't close to being in the same realm as ECNL. Go check the commitment numbers for division 1 soccer for the 2024 class. That's why kids are in these leagues, right!? To play Division 1 Soccer! This topic isn't really debatable. 0 clubs have left ECNL for GA! The same can't be said vice versa. Check the scouting numbers for each national event as well. This topic can be put to bed rather quickly. ECNL trumps GA.
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Post by 04gparent on Feb 21, 2024 10:58:59 GMT -5
Honestly what are we even discussing? GA isn't close to being in the same realm as ECNL. Go check the commitment numbers for division 1 soccer for the 2024 class. That's why kids are in these leagues, right!? To play Division 1 Soccer! This topic isn't really debatable. 0 clubs have left ECNL for GA! The same can't be said vice versa. Check the scouting numbers for each national event as well. This topic can be put to bed rather quickly. ECNL trumps GA. I don't know what the point of the original poster was. We all will agree that ECNL is the better league on the girl's side. GA has established itself as the 2nd best league. IMO, The more interesting & relevant question is, what is the best league AND TEAM for my daughter for the best exposure? All teams in ECNL are not created equal. All teams in GA are not created equal. 300 scouts at an event doesn't mean your daughter will have 300 scouts at her game. College Scouts are not randomly stopping at fields to discover a player. So, the questions for parents to consider: 1. For the girls at my club, are they signing with colleges? 2. Is it 1 or 2? 14 or 15? Are the colleges P4? D1? 3. Does my daughter have the same physical ability or strengths as the girls that are committing? 4. How many scouts are at the older teams' games? (This is a tricky question because now most of the scouts are looking at 2026 players for the June 15th recruiting period) |
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Post by GAyouthdevelopment on Feb 21, 2024 11:18:10 GMT -5
Agree with everything. Great notes. Just confused with
3. Does my daughter have the same physical ability or strengths as the girls that are committing?
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Post by lajolla39 on Feb 21, 2024 12:17:15 GMT -5
Tracker...
1. GA was Promoted by US Soccer
2. GA added Liverpool FC International Academy (CA)
3. GA added SYC
4. GA added Revolution
5. GA added Seattle Celtic
6. GA added Westside Metros FC
7. GA added Oregon Premier
8. GA added South Valley Surf
9. GA added KC Scott Gallagher
10. GA added Coppermine SC
1. DPL added Idaho Inferno
2. DPL added Augusta Arsenal
1. ECNL added Colorado Rush
2. ECNL added Nationals
3. ECNL added Ukies
1. ECRL added Lonestar
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Post by soccermom79 on Feb 21, 2024 12:34:25 GMT -5
My 2 cents. No dog in the race, yet.
ECNL is a more competitive league than GA right now at a national level. No one can argue that.
Kids don’t just want to play D1. Most would like that idea but D1 is not for everyone. Plenty of quality players with options to play D1 choose D3 (academics) over a D1 job. Or choose a D2 balanced college life. It’s not about the level of college it’s about the right fit for each individual player.
As for exposure,
I’d guess that overall there are better players in ECNL vs GA when considering all clubs in the country. Not to say there aren’t very good players in GA. So naturally more coaches go watch those players. If your player is good they will be seen regardless of which of the two leagues they are in.
First players have to understand what is attainable for them & what they are willing to do to improve that.
After the individual quality player exposure depends on how much work that player does outside of games and trainings. (Emails, ID’s, etc) I’ve seen average players put in more work than good players and end up with better/more offers.
It also depends on which team they play on. For example, playing at Tophat, Concorde, IMG, Solar, etc will always expose players due to the brand that these clubs have built. And rightfully so. Rarely do coaches show up without a list of players to watch. Obviously playing with better players or having teams that do well will increase the amount of exposure.
Stats about top players playing in the top 20 d1 schools doesn’t mean anything for the rest of the 98% that won’t play there.
The 1% of players don’t have to do as much besides show up. We all know that regardless of the league.
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Post by atlantagray on Feb 21, 2024 12:35:16 GMT -5
Honestly what are we even discussing? GA isn't close to being in the same realm as ECNL. Go check the commitment numbers for division 1 soccer for the 2024 class. That's why kids are in these leagues, right!? To play Division 1 Soccer! This topic isn't really debatable. 0 clubs have left ECNL for GA! The same can't be said vice versa. Check the scouting numbers for each national event as well. This topic can be put to bed rather quickly. ECNL trumps GA. I don't know what the point of the original poster was. We all will agree that ECNL is the better league on the girl's side. GA has established itself as the 2nd best league. IMO, The more interesting & relevant question is, what is the best league AND TEAM for my daughter for the best exposure? All teams in ECNL are not created equal. All teams in GA are not created equal. 300 scouts at an event doesn't mean your daughter will have 300 scouts at her game. College Scouts are not randomly stopping at fields to discover a player. So, the questions for parents to consider: 1. For the girls at my club, are they signing with colleges? 2. Is it 1 or 2? 14 or 15? Are the colleges P4? D1? 3. Does my daughter have the same physical ability or strengths as the girls that are committing? 4. How many scouts are at the older teams' games? (This is a tricky question because now most of the scouts are looking at 2026 players for the June 15th recruiting period) I would argue whether GA is without question "the 2nd best league." At this point, particularly in terms of value, an argument can be made that SCCL is the 2nd best league. On the whole, neither SCCL nor GA is competitive with ECNL. But SCCL is a fraction of the cost of both GA and ECNL. And now that GA has made it clear that their model for expansion is quantity over quality (which is patently obvious given the rankings of these recently added clubs,) if you are a parent trying to decide which league is the best fit, SCCL looks way more appealing as a cost/value proposition. |
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Post by 04gparent on Feb 21, 2024 12:58:25 GMT -5
Agree with everything. Great notes. Just confused with 3. Does my daughter have the same physical ability or strengths as the girls that are committing? Great Question: Size & speed does matter in soccer. Some schools consider it more than others. Its hard to understand the size/speed differences until you go to a college game and sit as close as possible. Go watch UGA, NC, or Auburn. Then go watch KSU or Furman. I am not talking down about the schools, but just making a point. Athleticism does matter. Its not popular to say so. |
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Post by 04gparent on Feb 21, 2024 13:08:56 GMT -5
I don't know what the point of the original poster was. We all will agree that ECNL is the better league on the girl's side. GA has established itself as the 2nd best league. IMO, The more interesting & relevant question is, what is the best league AND TEAM for my daughter for the best exposure? All teams in ECNL are not created equal. All teams in GA are not created equal. 300 scouts at an event doesn't mean your daughter will have 300 scouts at her game. College Scouts are not randomly stopping at fields to discover a player. So, the questions for parents to consider: 1. For the girls at my club, are they signing with colleges? 2. Is it 1 or 2? 14 or 15? Are the colleges P4? D1? 3. Does my daughter have the same physical ability or strengths as the girls that are committing? 4. How many scouts are at the older teams' games? (This is a tricky question because now most of the scouts are looking at 2026 players for the June 15th recruiting period) I would argue whether GA is without question "the 2nd best league." At this point, particularly in terms of value, an argument can be made that SCCL is the 2nd best league. On the whole, neither SCCL nor GA is competitive with ECNL. But SCCL is a fraction of the cost of both GA and ECNL. And now that GA has made it clear that their model for expansion is quantity over quality (which is patently obvious given the rankings of these recently added clubs,) if you are a parent trying to decide which league is the best fit, SCCL looks way more appealing as a cost/value proposition. ----- Bro... You cant be serious. How long have you been around? Lets not go back to when US soccer created DA. ECNL added so many clubs that no one has heard of to replace the clubs that left for DA. Not to mention giving clubs 2 team to help backfill. I could list 20 clubs in ECNL that no one has heard of, ranked low and has never even sniffed the playoffs. GA is following the blueprint created by ECNL. My whole point in posting in this thread is this. Yes ENCL across the county is the best league and has earned that right. They created the league before US Soccer cared about the girls game. They created the platform, listened to colleges and clubs and survived all the drama. However, there are great opportunities outside of ECNL via GA. GA has a showcase in Novermber... Go back in time to the post on social about colleges attending... You wont find a SCCL team with that.. If someone doesnt want to play P4 or D1 maybe SCCL is better... |
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Post by atlantagray on Feb 21, 2024 13:39:14 GMT -5
I would argue whether GA is without question "the 2nd best league." At this point, particularly in terms of value, an argument can be made that SCCL is the 2nd best league. On the whole, neither SCCL nor GA is competitive with ECNL. But SCCL is a fraction of the cost of both GA and ECNL. And now that GA has made it clear that their model for expansion is quantity over quality (which is patently obvious given the rankings of these recently added clubs,) if you are a parent trying to decide which league is the best fit, SCCL looks way more appealing as a cost/value proposition. ----- Bro... You cant be serious. How long have you been around? Lets not go back to when US soccer created DA. ECNL added so many clubs that no one has heard of to replace the clubs that left for DA. Not to mention giving clubs 2 team to help backfill. I could list 20 clubs in ECNL that no one has heard of, ranked low and has never even sniffed the playoffs. GA is following the blueprint created by ECNL. My whole point in posting in this thread is this. Yes ENCL across the county is the best league and has earned that right. They created the league before US Soccer cared about the girls game. They created the platform, listened to colleges and clubs and survived all the drama. However, there are great opportunities outside of ECNL via GA. GA has a showcase in Novermber... Go back in time to the post on social about colleges attending... You wont find a SCCL team with that.. If someone doesnt want to play P4 or D1 maybe SCCL is better... Bro..not as seasoned as you. Good on ya. But I think you missed my point with what is happening moving forward with leagues. I never said SCCL was competitive with GA. Rather, I said neither GA nor SCCL was competitive with ECNL. GA is not the premiere destination for top players that it (or DA) once was. Look at tophat, for example, and their younger teams vs their older teams. Their younger teams do not draw anything close to the level of talent they once did: ie every top player wanted to play there in the past. That is not the case anymore and it's a clear trend. Now, you may argue that this is an issue stemming from the club per se, but the recent moves of other GA top clubs to ECNL tells the story. So, that leaves GA in a spot where it's no longer competing with ECNL but is still charging like a top academy all while brining in inferior clubs. Which makes SCCL an appealing choice. I get it that parents/coaches who have been in the forest of Georgia/US soccer have a hard time seeing the forest, but for parents looking for an alternative to ECNL, SCCL makes way more sense now compared to a couple of weeks ago even |
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Post by soccerbro on Feb 21, 2024 13:52:35 GMT -5
Bro..not as seasoned as you. Good on ya. But I think you missed my point with what is happening moving forward with leagues. I never said SCCL was competitive with GA. Rather, I said neither GA nor SCCL was competitive with ECNL. GA is not the premiere destination for top players that it (or DA) once was. Look at tophat, for example, and their younger teams vs their older teams. Their younger teams do not draw anything close to the level of talent they once did: ie every top player wanted to play there in the past. That is not the case anymore and it's a clear trend. Now, you may argue that this is an issue stemming from the club per se, but the recent moves of other GA top clubs to ECNL tells the story. So, that leaves GA in a spot where it's no longer competing with ECNL but is still charging like a top academy all while brining in inferior clubs. Which makes SCCL an appealing choice. I get it that parents/coaches who have been in the forest of Georgia/US soccer have a hard time seeing the forest, but for parents looking for an alternative to ECNL, SCCL makes way more sense now compared to a couple of weeks ago even Really? Tophat 11 gold just beat GSA 11 ECNL and CF Plat 11 ECNL in a tourney this past weekend. As well as CESA ECNL. Doesn’t seem like they have a talent issue. |
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Post by lajolla39 on Feb 21, 2024 14:12:37 GMT -5
Bro..not as seasoned as you. Good on ya. But I think you missed my point with what is happening moving forward with leagues. I never said SCCL was competitive with GA. Rather, I said neither GA nor SCCL was competitive with ECNL. GA is not the premiere destination for top players that it (or DA) once was. Look at tophat, for example, and their younger teams vs their older teams. Their younger teams do not draw anything close to the level of talent they once did: ie every top player wanted to play there in the past. That is not the case anymore and it's a clear trend. Now, you may argue that this is an issue stemming from the club per se, but the recent moves of other GA top clubs to ECNL tells the story. So, that leaves GA in a spot where it's no longer competing with ECNL but is still charging like a top academy all while brining in inferior clubs. Which makes SCCL an appealing choice. I get it that parents/coaches who have been in the forest of Georgia/US soccer have a hard time seeing the forest, but for parents looking for an alternative to ECNL, SCCL makes way more sense now compared to a couple of weeks ago even Really? Tophat 11 gold just beat GSA 11 ECNL and CF Plat 11 ECNL in a tourney this past weekend. As well as CESA ECNL. Doesn’t seem like they have a talent issue. It's interesting how the ECNL zealots believe their own nonsense without even looking at the actual results. And it's not even that hard to review. Just download the Soccer Rankings app and it does everything for you. And it's free. |
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