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Post by atlantagray on Feb 21, 2024 14:15:25 GMT -5
Bro..not as seasoned as you. Good on ya. But I think you missed my point with what is happening moving forward with leagues. I never said SCCL was competitive with GA. Rather, I said neither GA nor SCCL was competitive with ECNL. GA is not the premiere destination for top players that it (or DA) once was. Look at tophat, for example, and their younger teams vs their older teams. Their younger teams do not draw anything close to the level of talent they once did: ie every top player wanted to play there in the past. That is not the case anymore and it's a clear trend. Now, you may argue that this is an issue stemming from the club per se, but the recent moves of other GA top clubs to ECNL tells the story. So, that leaves GA in a spot where it's no longer competing with ECNL but is still charging like a top academy all while brining in inferior clubs. Which makes SCCL an appealing choice. I get it that parents/coaches who have been in the forest of Georgia/US soccer have a hard time seeing the forest, but for parents looking for an alternative to ECNL, SCCL makes way more sense now compared to a couple of weeks ago even Really? Tophat 11 gold just beat GSA 11 ECNL and CF Plat 11 ECNL in a tourney this past weekend. As well as CESA ECNL. Doesn’t seem like they have a talent issue. ok- that might be true (don't know details.) But are those the best players in the state on that tophat team? or do they have 1 or maybe 2 top players? |
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Post by flix on Feb 21, 2024 14:28:08 GMT -5
Really? Tophat 11 gold just beat GSA 11 ECNL and CF Plat 11 ECNL in a tourney this past weekend. As well as CESA ECNL. Doesn’t seem like they have a talent issue. It's interesting how the ECNL zealots believe their own nonsense without even looking at the actual results. And it's not even that hard to review. Just download the Soccer Rankings app and it does everything for you. And it's free. Are you the owner of Soccer Rankings App? I don’t know anyone who pays any attention to soccer rankings unless maybe it’s high school. |
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Post by lajolla39 on Feb 21, 2024 14:31:02 GMT -5
It's interesting how the ECNL zealots believe their own nonsense without even looking at the actual results. And it's not even that hard to review. Just download the Soccer Rankings app and it does everything for you. And it's free. Are you the owner of Soccer Rankings App? I don’t know anyone who pays any attention to soccer rankings unless maybe it’s high school. Not the owner. Its just the best way to review how different teams/clubs compare. Try it and you'll see. |
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Post by 04gparent on Feb 21, 2024 14:33:23 GMT -5
These debates are fun. Let's attempt to educate here. No one on this board will ever say that GA is as good from top to bottom as ECNL. I never said that. If you want to push SCCL go right ahead. Please show me the colleges that attend SCCL events.
Top GA clubs (TH being one) and others are a great choice IF you want to play in college. If you don't, SCCL is a great value and option (You can have that point)
The point you're attempting to make is whether players will leave other clubs and come play at TH like they once did from 2000 to 2006, probably not at the same rate because of GA. However, the TH teams are talented. I would even say very talented. This is not subjective. The college signings for 2024 and 2025 will show this. That's with each of those teams losing players before GA could get up and running well. The TH college signings for 2024 and 2025 can rival anyone in the city. FYI, I removed 2022 and 2023 because the TH teams in those age groups lost players before GA was even started due to uncertainty.
However, most fail to see that soccer development is not confined to a league. TH develops players, as do other clubs around the city that may not be in ECNL.
ECNL can pick any club from GA they want; that will not change. ECNL is the king, or should I say, Queen...
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Post by hometeamsoccer on Feb 21, 2024 14:34:09 GMT -5
Tophat Gold 2011 is a very good team. And if you look at the scores from the CF tournament you will see they played several close games 1-0, 2-0, 3-2, against ECNL teams and won. But if you look at their conference play you will see they aren’t any similar scores in their girls academy league play for their entire season. Most of their wins are very lopsided (12-0, 7-1, 9-0). Eventually with top clubs leaving GA they will have even less competition at national events, which is the only place they are really challenged. As fewer quality clubs are part of GA, fewer coaches will come to GA events.
Who wants to play teams you are going to kill every week in your conference schedule when you have teams who can actually make it a close game within 30 minutes?
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Post by atlantagray on Feb 21, 2024 15:00:45 GMT -5
Tophat Gold 2011 is a very good team. And if you look at the scores from the CF tournament you will see they played several close games 1-0, 2-0, 3-2, against ECNL teams and won. But if you look at their conference play you will see they aren’t any similar scores in their girls academy league play for their entire season. Most of their wins are very lopsided (12-0, 7-1, 9-0). Eventually with top clubs leaving GA they will have even less competition at national events, which is the only place they are really challenged. As fewer quality clubs are part of GA, fewer coaches will come to GA events. Who wants to play teams you are going to kill every week in your conference schedule when you have teams who can actually make it a close game within 30 minutes? this was the point i was trying to get at with the direction GA is going. GA right NOW is clearly a more competitive league than SCCL. Let's see if that line is blurred some in a year or two. |
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Post by rudy on Feb 21, 2024 15:12:13 GMT -5
Tophat Gold 2011 is a very good team. And if you look at the scores from the CF tournament you will see they played several close games 1-0, 2-0, 3-2, against ECNL teams and won. But if you look at their conference play you will see they aren’t any similar scores in their girls academy league play for their entire season. Most of their wins are very lopsided (12-0, 7-1, 9-0). Eventually with top clubs leaving GA they will have even less competition at national events, which is the only place they are really challenged. As fewer quality clubs are part of GA, fewer coaches will come to GA events. Who wants to play teams you are going to kill every week in your conference schedule when you have teams who can actually make it a close game within 30 minutes? this was the point i was trying to get at with the direction GA is going. GA right NOW is clearly a more competitive league than SCCL. Let's see if that line is blurred some in a year or two. SCCL is the 4th division league. ECNL ECNL-R GA SCCL Honestly, most of the best players will be at the Big 5 ECNL by u14. |
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Post by 04gparent on Feb 21, 2024 15:19:47 GMT -5
this was the point i was trying to get at with the direction GA is going. GA right NOW is clearly a more competitive league than SCCL. Let's see if that line is blurred some in a year or two. SCCL is the 4th division league. ECNL ECNL-R GA SCCL Honestly, most of the best players will be at the Big 5 ECNL by u14. This is the same argument the TH 2008 and 2009 team heard when they were U12 and U13. Those teams dominated locally and in GA early on. However, things change as players get older. IMGs teams change when High School starts. Florida United teams change. Girls go through puberty and change. Winning a championship is hard work. Anytime you play out of your region the games are hard. IMO this is a poor assumption. The playoffs and showcases will be hard. Even if other clubs leave and they will, it wont be a cake walk. Here is the positive. The college coaches know there is talent on the GA teams and they will come to watch... Those are the facts right now. |
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Post by gasoccernewb on Feb 21, 2024 16:11:06 GMT -5
Thanks for the entertaining posts. They have provided some levity the past couple of days. I wonder are many of the opinions I've read here based on current real-life experience or people just repeating what they've been told? My 08/U16 currently plays for the top team at her club for her age group. She is rostered on more than one team / league and also guest plays on other teams/leagues so we've seen a nice cross section at nationals, local tournaments, and showcases. Based on what I've seen I would rank the leagues as follows from highest level to lowest. BTW, it seems everyone has forgotten about DPL, which has some very good teams and maybe almost as important (these days) their social media presence is second to none.
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Post by lajolla39 on Feb 21, 2024 16:46:17 GMT -5
Thanks for the entertaining posts. They have provided some levity the past couple of days. I wonder are many of the opinions I've read here based on current real-life experience or people just repeating what they've been told? My 08/U16 currently plays for the top team at her club for her age group. She is rostered on more than one team / league and also guest plays on other teams/leagues so we've seen a nice cross section at nationals, local tournaments, and showcases. Based on what I've seen I would rank the leagues as follows from highest level to lowest. BTW, it seems everyone has forgotten about DPL, which has some very good teams and maybe almost as important (these days) their social media presence is second to none. ECNL GA ECNL-R / DPL SCCL You forgot E64 and NPL which are stronger in other parts of the nation. |
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Post by soccergurl on Feb 21, 2024 16:59:32 GMT -5
Really? Tophat 11 gold just beat GSA 11 ECNL and CF Plat 11 ECNL in a tourney this past weekend. As well as CESA ECNL. Doesn’t seem like they have a talent issue. It's interesting how the ECNL zealots believe their own nonsense without even looking at the actual results. And it's not even that hard to review. Just download the Soccer Rankings app and it does everything for you. And it's free. |bro quit wit tha rankings| |me tink it necessary 4 u to admit conflict of interest since u make $$$ from rankings|
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Post by Keeper on Feb 21, 2024 20:58:42 GMT -5
Bro..not as seasoned as you. Good on ya. But I think you missed my point with what is happening moving forward with leagues. I never said SCCL was competitive with GA. Rather, I said neither GA nor SCCL was competitive with ECNL. GA is not the premiere destination for top players that it (or DA) once was. Look at tophat, for example, and their younger teams vs their older teams. Their younger teams do not draw anything close to the level of talent they once did: ie every top player wanted to play there in the past. That is not the case anymore and it's a clear trend. Now, you may argue that this is an issue stemming from the club per se, but the recent moves of other GA top clubs to ECNL tells the story. So, that leaves GA in a spot where it's no longer competing with ECNL but is still charging like a top academy all while brining in inferior clubs. Which makes SCCL an appealing choice. I get it that parents/coaches who have been in the forest of Georgia/US soccer have a hard time seeing the forest, but for parents looking for an alternative to ECNL, SCCL makes way more sense now compared to a couple of weeks ago even Really? Tophat 11 gold just beat GSA 11 ECNL and CF Plat 11 ECNL in a tourney this past weekend. As well as CESA ECNL. Doesn’t seem like they have a talent issue. True that 2011 Tophat team beat those ECNL teams in a preseason event where I believe two of those head coaches were in Dallas. It’s also true that that Tophat team is barely folding on as they are starting to crumble under the constant pressure and berating from Ted C. Just go look at how the 2010s are doing. So we’ll see how that talent looks in a year or two or like most older Tophat teams the burnout gets them. |
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Post by darp on Feb 21, 2024 21:02:40 GMT -5
Really? Tophat 11 gold just beat GSA 11 ECNL and CF Plat 11 ECNL in a tourney this past weekend. As well as CESA ECNL. Doesn’t seem like they have a talent issue. True that 2011 Tophat team beat those ECNL teams in a preseason event where I believe two of those head coaches were in Dallas. It’s also true that that Tophat team is barely folding on as they are starting to crumble under the constant pressure and berating from Ted C. Just go look at how the 2010s are doing. So we’ll see how that talent looks in a year or two or like most older Tophat teams the burnout gets them. Why do you believe they have a burnout problem? And what is the catalyst for it in your opinion? |
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Post by atlnoleg on Feb 22, 2024 8:00:50 GMT -5
Interesting thread to read from a bystander's perspective. I have a 2010 boy whose team played friendlies against '09 top girls the last couple of years. Just a couple weeks ago they played the 09 TH Gold team. In the Fall they played an '09 team that was I believe a mix of top girls from the area who were competing for USWT camp invites. The Fall game was competitive. The girls won and were clearly very skilled. The recent game against TH Gold was lopsided in the boys' favor. I was surprised because I assumed at least some of the girls had been part of the previous Fall game. My son said he didn't recognize any from that game. This is all anecdotal, so make of it what you will.
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Post by 04gparent on Feb 22, 2024 8:29:19 GMT -5
True that 2011 Tophat team beat those ECNL teams in a preseason event where I believe two of those head coaches were in Dallas. It’s also true that that Tophat team is barely folding on as they are starting to crumble under the constant pressure and berating from Ted C. Just go look at how the 2010s are doing. So we’ll see how that talent looks in a year or two or like most older Tophat teams the burnout gets them. Why do you believe they have a burnout problem? And what is the catalyst for it in your opinion? Burnout? According to the league standings the 2010s are 10 and 2. Hows that a bad year? The older teams dont deal with burnout. Do you have some facts to go along with what you're saying? You've been around the forum for a while, is your perspective based on current teams are some team in past years. As I have stated earlier in this thread, TH develops player even more so now than when they had ECNL/DA several years ago. The players coming thru the academy are there own players vs when a mass of girls would come at u12 or u13 tryouts back in the day. |
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Post by raiders91 on Feb 22, 2024 12:33:18 GMT -5
Interesting thread to read from a bystander's perspective. I have a 2010 boy whose team played friendlies against '09 top girls the last couple of years. Just a couple weeks ago they played the 09 TH Gold team. In the Fall they played an '09 team that was I believe a mix of top girls from the area who were competing for USWT camp invites. The Fall game was competitive. The girls won and were clearly very skilled. The recent game against TH Gold was lopsided in the boys' favor. I was surprised because I assumed at least some of the girls had been part of the previous Fall game. My son said he didn't recognize any from that game. This is all anecdotal, so make of it what you will. ————- it was not the regular 2009 gold squad that played recently—half of the starters were away at a GA event. Subs were from other teams. |
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Post by atlsoccer123 on Feb 27, 2024 11:29:09 GMT -5
Thanks for the entertaining posts. They have provided some levity the past couple of days. I wonder are many of the opinions I've read here based on current real-life experience or people just repeating what they've been told? My 08/U16 currently plays for the top team at her club for her age group. She is rostered on more than one team / league and also guest plays on other teams/leagues so we've seen a nice cross section at nationals, local tournaments, and showcases. Based on what I've seen I would rank the leagues as follows from highest level to lowest. BTW, it seems everyone has forgotten about DPL, which has some very good teams and maybe almost as important (these days) their social media presence is second to none. ECNL GA ECNL-R / DPL SCCL You forgot E64 and NPL which are stronger in other parts of the nation. |
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Post by atlsoccer123 on Feb 27, 2024 11:31:35 GMT -5
Maybe, but not down in the southeast. Those two are barely hanging on. Just more money grabs and not many are buying what they are selling.
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Post by rifle on Feb 27, 2024 16:27:59 GMT -5
Maybe, but not down in the southeast. Those two are barely hanging on. Just more money grabs and not many are buying what they are selling. There are some good teams in DPL anyway - whose clubs don’t have the “big 5” juice. Promotion and relegation used to sort this out but that horse left the barn. |
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Post by lajolla39 on Mar 4, 2024 13:36:21 GMT -5
New rumor is going around that TH girls will switch from GA to ECNL and the announcement will be made after champions cup at IMG next week. No idea if any of it is true. Seems unlikely to me.
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Post by atlantagray on Mar 4, 2024 14:30:08 GMT -5
New rumor is going around that TH girls will switch from GA to ECNL and the announcement will be made after champions cup at IMG next week. No idea if any of it is true. Seems unlikely to me. For GAL's sake, let's hope it's unlikely. Although GAL is just fine and is as strong as ever. It's just one club leaving one league for another. Not a big deal. |
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Post by soccergurl on Mar 4, 2024 17:51:22 GMT -5
New rumor is going around that TH girls will switch from GA to ECNL and the announcement will be made after champions cup at IMG next week. No idea if any of it is true. Seems unlikely to me. |me wonder which rankings tell u dat| |
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Post by 04gparent on Mar 4, 2024 23:38:05 GMT -5
New rumor is going around that TH girls will switch from GA to ECNL and the announcement will be made after champions cup at IMG next week. No idea if any of it is true. Seems unlikely to me. If rumor is true, how in the heck does a guy in Southern California hear about it BEFORE the people in Georgia? Very interesting.... |
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Post by lajolla39 on Mar 5, 2024 0:08:25 GMT -5
New rumor is going around that TH girls will switch from GA to ECNL and the announcement will be made after champions cup at IMG next week. No idea if any of it is true. Seems unlikely to me. If rumor is true, how in the heck does a guy in Southern California hear about it BEFORE the people in Georgia? Very interesting.... Hahaha. Think what you want. There's actually more than TH girls potentially in play. (Potentially) But who knows maybe it's a big pile of nothing. |
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Post by tdb on Mar 5, 2024 12:14:23 GMT -5
If rumor is true, how in the heck does a guy in Southern California hear about it BEFORE the people in Georgia? Very interesting.... Hahaha. Think what you want. There's actually more than TH girls potentially in play. (Potentially) But who knows maybe it's a big pile of nothing. It's been a season of intrigue for sure, I've been wondering if ENCL will force any other changes to the mid-atlantic clubs, particularly in NC on the boys side. |
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Post by soccergirlz on Mar 5, 2024 14:25:21 GMT -5
If rumor is true, how in the heck does a guy in Southern California hear about it BEFORE the people in Georgia? Very interesting.... Hahaha. Think what you want. There's actually more than TH girls potentially in play. (Potentially) But who knows maybe it's a big pile of nothing. There will always be GA clubs in play for ECNL...this is not a knock on GA. As has been mentioned numerous times, GA has some very good clubs that would compete with the best of ECNL. TH has applied for Girls ECNL every year since they lost DA, but the rumblings are that there are a number of people on the ECNL board that do not want TH for various political reasons. TH was in ECNL before DA and it took them 2-3 years of applying before getting in the first time. Once DA came around, TH (TG) treated ECNL as a 2nd tier league and TG put his focus on DA. This still ruffles some the wrong way. The other interesting dynamic is that TH/NASA has ECNL on the boys side, but that has not been able to influence the higher ups at ECNL. "IF" TH was ever approved for Girls ECNL, I seriously doubt ECNL would give them 2 teams....like they have in GA. Debate all you want, but this rumors comes up every year.....FTR I could care less about leagues and enjoy watching TH, CF, UFA, and other teams play and have for many years. What I want to see is the top talent in the Atlanta area play each other....TH vs CF, UFA, or GSA.... these matches back in the ECNL and/or DA days were some of the best at all age groups u14-u18.....whatever format, please bring that back for the good of the girls game.... |
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Post by lajolla39 on Mar 5, 2024 14:43:02 GMT -5
Hahaha. Think what you want. There's actually more than TH girls potentially in play. (Potentially) But who knows maybe it's a big pile of nothing. There will always be GA clubs in play for ECNL...this is not a knock on GA. As has been mentioned numerous times, GA has some very good clubs that would compete with the best of ECNL. TH has applied for Girls ECNL every year since they lost DA, but the rumblings are that there are a number of people on the ECNL board that do not want TH for various political reasons. TH was in ECNL before DA and it took them 2-3 years of applying before getting in the first time. Once DA came around, TH (TG) treated ECNL as a 2nd tier league and TG put his focus on DA. This still ruffles some the wrong way. The other interesting dynamic is that TH/NASA has ECNL on the boys side, but that has not been able to influence the higher ups at ECNL. "IF" TH was ever approved for Girls ECNL, I seriously doubt ECNL would give them 2 teams....like they have in GA. Debate all you want, but this rumors comes up every year.....FTR I could care less about leagues and enjoy watching TH, CF, UFA, and other teams play and have for many years. What I want to see is the top talent in the Atlanta area play each other....TH vs CF, UFA, or GSA.... these matches back in the ECNL and/or DA days were some of the best at all age groups u14-u18.....whatever format, please bring that back for the good of the girls game.... One of the other rumors is that ECNL leadership has stopped letting current clubs block other clubs from joining if it benefits them. Meaning it used to require a vote from all existing local clubs in a regional league before new clubs were let in. Often clubs would work together to keep certain clubs out if it was to their benefit. Not sure how this would actually be implemented unless members voting on new members was done away with. |
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Post by Keeper on Mar 5, 2024 15:04:44 GMT -5
There will always be GA clubs in play for ECNL...this is not a knock on GA. As has been mentioned numerous times, GA has some very good clubs that would compete with the best of ECNL. TH has applied for Girls ECNL every year since they lost DA, but the rumblings are that there are a number of people on the ECNL board that do not want TH for various political reasons. TH was in ECNL before DA and it took them 2-3 years of applying before getting in the first time. Once DA came around, TH (TG) treated ECNL as a 2nd tier league and TG put his focus on DA. This still ruffles some the wrong way. The other interesting dynamic is that TH/NASA has ECNL on the boys side, but that has not been able to influence the higher ups at ECNL. "IF" TH was ever approved for Girls ECNL, I seriously doubt ECNL would give them 2 teams....like they have in GA. Debate all you want, but this rumors comes up every year.....FTR I could care less about leagues and enjoy watching TH, CF, UFA, and other teams play and have for many years. What I want to see is the top talent in the Atlanta area play each other....TH vs CF, UFA, or GSA.... these matches back in the ECNL and/or DA days were some of the best at all age groups u14-u18.....whatever format, please bring that back for the good of the girls game.... One of the other rumors is that ECNL leadership has stopped letting current clubs block other clubs from joining if it benefits them. Meaning it used to require a vote from all existing local clubs in a regional league before new clubs were let in. Often clubs would work together to keep certain clubs out if it was to their benefit. Not sure how this would actually be implemented unless members voting on new members was done away with. Yes the territorial veto’s were taken away last year as historically GSA has vetoed all ECNL/RL expansion in the Metro. |
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Post by atlantagray on Mar 5, 2024 15:32:51 GMT -5
One of the other rumors is that ECNL leadership has stopped letting current clubs block other clubs from joining if it benefits them. Meaning it used to require a vote from all existing local clubs in a regional league before new clubs were let in. Often clubs would work together to keep certain clubs out if it was to their benefit. Not sure how this would actually be implemented unless members voting on new members was done away with. Yes the territorial veto’s were taken away last year as historically GSA has vetoed all ECNL/RL expansion in the Metro. Has Concorde also vetoed expansion historically? |
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Post by rifle on Mar 5, 2024 18:23:55 GMT -5
It’s all about development.
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