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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 16, 2018 11:33:31 GMT -5
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Post by zizou on Aug 16, 2018 14:25:50 GMT -5
Now or Never? I am thinking the Athletics administrators are so blind to this staff's shortcomings that it might not matter what the team does this year because there are essentially no impact Juniors and Seniors. How could a staff be expected to succeed under such conditions? Of course, no one holds the staff responsible for the fact that they are responsible for this state of affairs. Let's point out the current head coach has presided over the worst 3 year run in the history of UGA soccer. And his first a little above average year was with Holeman's player who had been coached by Holeman's staff. Shultis has had a precipitous drop-off. I remember her being pretty solid in her first year.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 16, 2018 14:29:49 GMT -5
HA!
yea, but dang that sleeve is sick!
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Post by soccerfan30 on Aug 16, 2018 20:08:31 GMT -5
Now or Never? I am thinking the Athletics administrators are so blind to this staff's shortcomings that it might not matter what the team does this year because there are essentially no impact Juniors and Seniors. How could a staff be expected to succeed under such conditions? Of course, no one holds the staff responsible for the fact that they are responsible for this state of affairs. Let's point out the current head coach has presided over the worst 3 year run in the history of UGA soccer. And his first a little above average year was with Holeman's player who had been coached by Holeman's staff. Shultis has had a precipitous drop-off. I remember her being pretty solid in her first year. For all the wealth of talent in GA UGA underachieves every year, they have good talent so where does the problem lie?
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Post by mistergrinch on Aug 16, 2018 21:13:04 GMT -5
meh
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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 16, 2018 21:17:51 GMT -5
Was not overly impressed by Holeman, but not at all impressed by what I've seen out of Lesesne. My understanding is that he was at Duke before this? I can't appreciate his "friend of the players" approach.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 17, 2018 16:31:08 GMT -5
Down 1-0 14 min in against Georgetown
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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 17, 2018 18:19:34 GMT -5
1-0 Loss. Apparently it's never.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 17, 2018 19:18:38 GMT -5
1-0 Loss. Apparently it's never. I am totally not a UGA fan but a 1-0 to Georgetown is not the end of a season. I don't know why UGA struggles given the in state talent but this is not a new thing. However I will give each year a fresh start in my mind
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Aug 17, 2018 20:31:17 GMT -5
Guys not 100% sure but I think they are a top 25 team with a bunch of starters returning from a top 20 team last year. Let see what happens in the next couple of games before we jump ship.
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Aug 18, 2018 10:41:14 GMT -5
I find it hilarious how poor UGA Women's Soccer performs considering the talent in Georgia Soccer
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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 19, 2018 16:56:09 GMT -5
1-0 Loss. Apparently it's never. I am totally not a UGA fan but a 1-0 to Georgetown is not the end of a season. I don't know why UGA struggles given the in state talent but this is not a new thing. However I will give each year a fresh start in my mind Was being facetious. Because of silly college yearly slogans. That put unneeded pressure on, especially as mediocre to poor they've been lately.
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Post by soccerfan30 on Aug 19, 2018 17:14:05 GMT -5
They have access to great players but always seem to underachieve. Coaching matters at the college level especially in the SEC where all the schools have access to recruit the top players.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 19, 2018 17:35:36 GMT -5
They won today -
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Post by zizou on Aug 19, 2018 18:31:00 GMT -5
Guys not 100% sure but I think they are a top 25 team with a bunch of starters returning from a top 20 team last year. Let see what happens in the next couple of games before we jump ship. Here is Box Score vs Georgetown: SHOTS GU - 16 (8) UGA - 6 (2)
SAVES GU - 2 UGA - 7
CORNERS GU - 7 UGA - 1
FOULS GU - 4 UGA - 7
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Post by zizou on Aug 19, 2018 18:38:21 GMT -5
They have access to great players but always seem to underachieve. Coaching matters at the college level especially in the SEC where all the schools have access to recruit the top players. They don't get anything resembling the best players from Georgia. The best players from Georgia go to Duke, Stanford, other SEC schools. It is a testament to how far this program has fallen that even with the Hope Scholarship and UGA now being considered a "Public Ivy" that the best players will go elsewhere. I had someone tell me recently that over the past 3-4 something like 12 women players from Georgia have played in the College Cup. Obviously not for UGA. Pretty amazing.
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Post by zizou on Aug 20, 2018 8:48:06 GMT -5
Was not overly impressed by Holeman, but not at all impressed by what I've seen out of Lesesne. My understanding is that he was at Duke before this? I can't appreciate his "friend of the players" approach. We talked about Holeman and other issues associated with the current staff hiring when it happened and during the course of their disastrous three year run. Here is something I pointed out about Holeman a while back. There is other interesting information in that thread: Ga Soccer Forum thread on UGA soccer program
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 20, 2018 9:02:14 GMT -5
Georgetown was a solid team last year but got bounced in the first round of the tourney and lost 2 years ago in the semi's to USC who ended up winning the national championship.
San Diego were 8-11-0 last year.
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Post by Soccer Dad on Aug 20, 2018 9:55:10 GMT -5
Read the articles about the games. You can already see the narrative being put forth by the coaches. " We are young! Look at all the freshman playing!" Dude, you have been there for four years.You 100% must make the SEC Tourney and even that might not be enough. These are the worst years of UGA soccer history.
Just win baby.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 20, 2018 10:06:37 GMT -5
Its just very disappointing that the top players from in state are not considering Georgia.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 20, 2018 10:33:05 GMT -5
Its just very disappointing that the top players from in state are not considering Georgia. Is this the case or is it the other way round? I have no inside info, mere curiosity.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 20, 2018 10:45:41 GMT -5
Its just very disappointing that the top players from in state are not considering Georgia. Is this the case or is it the other way round? I have no inside info, mere curiosity. That I do not know, but when you have players going to Duke, Stanford, UNC, Notre Dame, USC, Berkley, I would think those players would be recruited by Georgia. Very good question though, how hard to they recruit the top local talent?
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 20, 2018 11:01:12 GMT -5
Is this the case or is it the other way round? I have no inside info, mere curiosity. That I do not know, but when you have players going to Duke, Stanford, UNC, Notre Dame, USC, Berkley, I would think those players would be recruited by Georgia. Very good question though, how hard to they recruit the top local talent? If money is not an object (which for some highly sought after recruits it isn't) then it would be hard to convince me to send my kid to UGA over Duke, Stanford, UNC or most of those others you mentioned. For both soccer and academic reputations those mentioned (except USC academics) far surpass UGA in the eyes of the world outside of the state of Georgia. One of the toughest things in recruiting is convincing the best players to go to a school that isn't the best or close to it in their sport. So UGA has to have a coach who can win with the players he/she has and then it will bring in the other players.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 20, 2018 12:21:31 GMT -5
It shouldn't be very difficult for UGA to be very competitive (though I'm glad they're not). They aren't playing UNC, Duke or Stanford on a regular basis. There's a good amount of talent in-state. The only real SEC powers are Florida, USCe, TAMU and occasionally Tennessee and Auburn. Shouldn't be that difficult for them to compete in the SEC and to regularly make the tourney.
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Post by daddyo on Aug 20, 2018 17:06:58 GMT -5
I'm really proud of Emory Wegener!!!! I've known Emory since she was in 1st grade. She is a wonderful young lady and first class competitor. She had a lot of schools looking at her, I'm glad she decided to play close to home so her family can watch her play.
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Post by mistergrinch on Aug 22, 2018 10:55:25 GMT -5
They have access to great players but always seem to underachieve. Coaching matters at the college level especially in the SEC where all the schools have access to recruit the top players. They don't get anything resembling the best players from Georgia. The best players from Georgia go to Duke, Stanford, other SEC schools. It is a testament to how far this program has fallen that even with the Hope Scholarship and UGA now being considered a "Public Ivy" that the best players will go elsewhere. I had someone tell me recently that over the past 3-4 something like 12 women players from Georgia have played in the College Cup. Obviously not for UGA. Pretty amazing.
What dawg homer is claiming that?
Latest US news puts it at #16 public university.. which is very respectable, but hardly a 'public Ivy'.
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Post by zizou on Aug 22, 2018 14:28:54 GMT -5
They don't get anything resembling the best players from Georgia. The best players from Georgia go to Duke, Stanford, other SEC schools. It is a testament to how far this program has fallen that even with the Hope Scholarship and UGA now being considered a "Public Ivy" that the best players will go elsewhere. I had someone tell me recently that over the past 3-4 something like 12 women players from Georgia have played in the College Cup. Obviously not for UGA. Pretty amazing.
What dawg homer is claiming that?
Latest US news puts it at #16 public university.. which is very respectable, but hardly a 'public Ivy'.
Nonpartisan link
Partisan link
People who attend and teach at UGA know how to integrate multiple pieces of information and do not rely on a single flawed source.
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Post by fridge on Aug 22, 2018 15:28:02 GMT -5
I think all these college soccer coaches have a tough job. They likely take over a poor performing (and likely not very talented team) and their recruits don't show up for 3 or 4 years. When they do, they are likely non-impact freshman. The UGA guys took over a very similar circumstance. Ask anyone affiliated w/ the program and they will say the cupboard was bare of talent. Meanwhile, when they took over the Jan/Feb of 97, most of the 1998 recruits were 11th graders and already committed to other schools . Those 1998s are their first recruiting class and are merely sophomores the cream of the crop 99s were committed as well). So, they are playing a bunch of freshman and sophomores which makes it very very tough. you have to find a way to win w/ someone else's team and also "sell" kids that the future will be brighter with nothing concrete to back it with.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 24, 2018 9:29:13 GMT -5
2 must win games this weekend in Athens vs Indiana and Charlotte. Georgia beat Charlotte last year 1-0
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Post by zizou on Aug 24, 2018 11:07:18 GMT -5
I think all these college soccer coaches have a tough job. They likely take over a poor performing (and likely not very talented team) and their recruits don't show up for 3 or 4 years. When they do, they are likely non-impact freshman. The UGA guys took over a very similar circumstance. Ask anyone affiliated w/ the program and they will say the cupboard was bare of talent. Meanwhile, when they took over the Jan/Feb of 97, most of the 1998 recruits were 11th graders and already committed to other schools . Those 1998s are their first recruiting class and are merely sophomores the cream of the crop 99s were committed as well). So, they are playing a bunch of freshman and sophomores which makes it very very tough. you have to find a way to win w/ someone else's team and also "sell" kids that the future will be brighter with nothing concrete to back it with. The job is way easier if you are good at it! The current UGA coaches seem to be out of their depth. Let's hope they turn it around this year. It is no fun going to watch them over the past 3 years. It is just untrue about the quality of player the current staff inherited versus what they have now. This was discussed previously. Holeman had maybe 3 top 15 recruiting classes in a row. The current staff's classes don't even register in recruiting rankings. It was clear there was quality on the field when Holeman was the coach. That is not so clear now; hopefully the new class will be a turning point but it is just too soon to tell. Of course it did not help that the best two players by a large margin left the team (for Florida and Harvard) when Holeman's tenure ended. What UGA have now is the current staff's team. Everyone will point out that UGA are a young team. Well, South Carolina also only has 8 Juniors and Seniors mixed with 13 Freshman and 13 Sophomores. The Gamecocks still seem to be an elite team. And when you watch them play you can tell their players have quality. That might be better coaching, might be better players, probably a combination. By the way, what Holeman is doing at Lamar is pretty amazing. They play Oklahoma State tonight. Will be interesting to see how they fare. But that dude has proven he can coach.
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